Real talk, the NBA is probably the most frustrating sport to watch

[Liquid]

I think before the pistons the last team to reach the NBA finals without a "franchise changer" or extremely valuable piece was the 98-99 Knicks. The Nets had Kidd which changed that franchise around...I can't think of anyone else off the top.

So this is where @Blackthoughts is going to have a tough time explaining this. The Knicks were playing in a pathetic eastern conference, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell caught fire and they were playing the best team basketball in the NBA. They get to the finals and what happens? They get their shyt pushed in by the spurs because they had a franchise player in Tim Duncan. Now top to bottom? That Knicks squad all around was probably as talented as anyone in the league at that time, but no game changer. Thus a 4-1 easy series win for the spurs.

We could do this all day, you will never win or convince many to have the same view as you do.

 

[mastermind]

Okay okay..you are right we did get in couple of times in the 1990's...but shyt...they were usually one and done wild card games..that shyt don't count. Then that season we didn't win jack and shyt...The NBA is still easier to watch than the fukking Lions. And lets not get into Thanksgiving day games.

aint nothing wrong with being 14 breh, enjoy your life. I wish I was 14 again.:odawg:

I think before the pistons the last team to reach the NBA finals without a "franchise changer" or extremely valuable piece was the 98-99 Knicks.

2000 Pacers also, but that is also because of a weak Eastern conference and they were an older and more experienced team.


Before that era, I dont think you can find another team.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

:thefucc:how old are you? 14 :thefucc:


The 62 teams that won NBA titles, only the Detroit Pistons won an NBA title without a franchise changer. So yes, you are correct, you do not need a franchise changer to win a title. 1/62 times, or 1.6 percent of the time it is certainly possible. If you want to cling to that 1.6 percent to boost your the Warriors, esteem then you can go for it but it is never going to happen. OKC will always be the better team, barring injury. As long as CP3 is in LA, the Clippers will always be the better team as well.

If I went solely by recent history then it would tell me that you need "Multiple Franchise Changers" to win a title which is why stars team up these days. Like I said before and will say all throughout these playoffs, Memphis don't have a franchise changer and I see them going to the WCF. Once you get to the WCF you're not far from competing for a championship. I wouldn't be too if the Grizzlies made it to the finals over OKC. There's no guarantee that Miami will make it to the finals and if they don't then it's open season. We'll see soon who the knows what they're talking about. I think if you have multiple allstar caliber players that are committed to defense then you can get to the conference finals or the actual finals.

 

[ltheghost]

aint nothing wrong with being 14 breh, enjoy your life. I wish I was 14 again.:odawg:


14? Really? Far from that...Just a pissed Lion's fan that's all.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

I think before the pistons the last team to reach the NBA finals without a "franchise changer" or extremely valuable piece was the 98-99 Knicks. The Nets had Kidd which changed that franchise around...I can't think of anyone else off the top.

So this is where @Blackthoughts is going to have a tough time explaining this. The Knicks were playing in a pathetic eastern conference, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell caught fire and they were playing the best team basketball in the NBA. They get to the finals and what happens? They get their shyt pushed in by the spurs because they had a franchise player in Tim Duncan. Now top to bottom? That Knicks squad all around was probably as talented as anyone in the league at that time, but no game changer. Thus a 4-1 easy series win for the spurs.

We could do this all day, you will never win or convince many to have the same view as you do.

Do you think Memphis has any chance at beating OKC in a best of 7?

 

[mastermind]

Until the Grizzlies get a closer, its not Rudy Gay and it aint ZBo, I dont see them making the finals. Im not even sure they get to the WCF.

 

[Liquid]

If I went solely by recent history then it would tell me that you need "Multiple Franchise Changers" to win a title which is why stars team up these days. Like I said before and will say all throughout these playoffs, Memphis don't have a franchise changer and I see them going to the WCF. Once you get to the WCF you're not far from competing for a championship. I wouldn't be too if the Grizzlies made it to the finals over OKC. There's no guarantee that Miami will make it to the finals and if they don't then it's open season. We'll see soon who the knows what they're talking about. I think if you have multiple allstar caliber players that are committed to defense then you can get to the conference finals or the actual finals.

The grizzlies have a beast front court and I would consider that a legit option because of the lack of dominance in the front court in the NBA today. Could it be considered a franchise changer? Of course it can for this season because realistically what front court would you put ahead of those 2 animals in Memphis right now?

You don't know NBA basketball.

 

[Liquid]

Do you think Memphis has any chance at beating OKC in a best of 7?

nah not OKC, but they will probably get to the 2nd round. I give them a shot against the spurs

 

[Majestic Pape]

This is the nature of basketball. A great player or multiple great players can affect the overall outcome of the game more than any other team sport (football, baseball, soccer, et cetera).

Even with that said, there have been enough "upset" Final winners to keep you interested.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

The grizzlies have a beast front court and I would consider that a legit option because of the lack of dominance in the front court in the NBA today. Could it be considered a franchise changer? Of course it can for this season because realistically what front court would you put ahead of those 2 animals in Memphis right now?

You don't know NBA basketball.

How can they have a "Franchise Changer" and they may not even have an allstar? We're talking about Superstars here right? That's what dude was saying you need to win a championship. We've never seen David Lee and Bogut play healthy and some would consider a 20 and 10 guy as well as a top 5 defensive center a "Beast Front Court" does that mean they can win? Minny has a "Beast Front Court" yet you don't take them serious. Memphis is where they are not because of their "Beast Front Court" but because they play defense and rebound and have multiple scorers. If Love and Pek were in a defensive system and had a Rudy Gay type of player then they would be competing to be the the WCF.

 

[Liquid]

How can they have a "Franchise Changer" and they may not even have an allstar? We're talking about Superstars here right? That's what dude was saying you need to win a championship. We've never seen David Lee and Bogut play healthy and some would consider a 20 and 10 guy as well as a top 5 defensive center a "Beast Front Court" does that mean they can win? Minny has a "Beast Front Court" yet you don't take them serious. Memphis is where they are not because of their "Beast Front Court" but because they play defense and rebound and have multiple scorers. If Love and Pek were in a defensive system and had a Rudy Gay type of player then they would be competing to be the the WCF.

You don't know nba basketball.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Until the Grizzlies get a closer, its not Rudy Gay and it aint ZBo, I dont see them making the finals. Im not even sure they get to the WCF.

Would you consider Monta Ellis or Jamal Crawford a "Closer"? J.R Smith has been a closer this year right?

 

[Pedro Negro]

at only 6 teams being represented in this years ASG.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

You don't know nba basketball.

I disagree.

 

[tremonthustler1]

How can they have a "Franchise Changer" and they may not even have an allstar? We're talking about Superstars here right? That's what dude was saying you need to win a championship. We've never seen David Lee and Bogut play healthy and some would consider a 20 and 10 guy as well as a top 5 defensive center a "Beast Front Court" does that mean they can win? Minny has a "Beast Front Court" yet you don't take them serious. Memphis is where they are not because of their "Beast Front Court" but because they play defense and rebound and have multiple scorers. If Love and Pek were in a defensive system and had a Rudy Gay type of player then they would be competing to be the the WCF.

1. They ARE in a defensive system. Defense isn't the team's problem at the moment.

2. Rudy Gay is the opposite of what they need in their offense.

Yeah, you're not paying attention at all to that squad.