Real talk how do you think Roman feels about his constant pushes?

[Mikael Blowpiff]

Check cleared. *shrugs*

At the same time you have to wonder if those checks’ll keep coming in if they keep doing this halfway shyt.

 

[September]

Doubt he cares, either about the business overall or the harm done to the rest of the product. Sheets said for a long time that he was arrogant and entitled, plus he didn't go straight wrestling right away like the rest of the A'noai from his generation. He's probably a little creeped out this old demented man wants to fukk him so bad, but the checks keep clearing

at entitled. You had guys in the back saying they would happily do the job for Roman because of his attitude. Literally the only people who think Roman is entitled and arrogant are neckbeards who got mad that he said he was about making paper cause he has a family to feed. I cannot think of one instance where there were so much as rumors that someone in the back didn’t fukk with him. NONE.

Y’all can’t accept that not everyone wants to scramble their brains and crush their neck into goddamn sand for the love of wrestling like DB because wrestling isn’t fukking life or death for the smart ones. There are realistically more important things.

So what if he didn’t go straight into wrestling? His father legit had a wrestling ring in their house and he would go out there and make them wrestle all the time when they were kids. He was probably goddamn sick of that shyt by the time he was in his teens. God forbid one would want to get away from something that penetrated every part of their lives since birth. The Usos tried the football thing too except they didn’t make it far and the only reason they even went into wrestling was because Umaga physically took their asses to a wrestling school. They wanted no parts of it but you never see people bringing that up. No matter what Roman couldn’t get away from wrestling if he tried

This narrative that he doesn’t respect the business is tired as hell and so easy to disprove. Judging from his interviews, I think he’s really old school and just really appreciative of how wrestling and the WWE specifically put food on his table and clothes on his back. I think the negative reactions did bother him to a certain extent but at this point he’s got to be numb to it. He’ll go along with anything because of that and the money is good.

 

[Rout3r2035]

at entitled. You had guys in the back saying they would happily do the job for Roman because of his attitude. Literally the only people who think Roman is entitled and arrogant are neckbeards who got mad that he said he was about making paper cause he has a family to feed. I cannot think of one instance where there were so much as rumors that someone in the back didn’t fukk with him. NONE.

Y’all can’t accept that not everyone wants to scramble their brains and crush their neck into goddamn sand for the love of wrestling like DB because wrestling isn’t fukking life or death for the smart ones. There are realistically more important things.

So what if he didn’t go straight into wrestling? His father legit had a wrestling ring in their house and he would go out there and make them wrestle all the time when they were kids. He was probably goddamn sick of that shyt by the time he was in his teens. God forbid one would want to get away from something that penetrated every part of their lives since birth. The Usos tried the football thing too except they didn’t make it far and the only reason they even went into wrestling was because Umaga physically took their asses to a wrestling school. They wanted no parts of it but you never see people bringing that up. No matter what Roman couldn’t get away from wrestling if he tried

This narrative that he doesn’t respect the business is tired as hell and so easy to disprove. Judging from his interviews, I think he’s really old school and just really appreciative of how wrestling and the WWE specifically put food on his table and clothes on his back. I think the negative reactions did bother him to a certain extent but at this point he’s got to be numb to it. He’ll go along with anything because of that and the money is good.

What the hell, chill out damnI get that's your guy but relax

Quit projecting, I haven't said half the stuff you claim I did. I don't think he doesn't care about the business because of anything he's done or because of how we works, I say it because he hasn't improved/tried to improve at all. Even dudes like Cena, while obviously not going out of their way to fukk up their money by pissing off creative (although even Cena was smart enough to seriously push to be turned multiple times), have improved drastically throughout their runs at the top. Roman is the same dude he's always been, same 0 mic ability, inability to get a good match unless he's being carried, etc. As for his entitlement, of course he is. His damn mark family was about to flip out when they changed plans at WM31. These Samoans basically white with that privilege

As a fan I'm not obligated to give a fukk about him just because he's got a family, fukk kinda rationale is that? I'm sure 95% of the dudes in the back are just as deserving and would appreciate the come up, doesn't mean they deserve to be at the top of the card

 

[September]

What the hell, chill out damnI get that's your guy but relax

Quit projecting, I haven't said half the stuff you claim I did. I don't think he doesn't care about the business because of anything he's done or because of how we works, I say it because he hasn't improved/tried to improve at all. Even dudes like Cena, while obviously not going out of their way to fukk up their money by pissing off creative (although even Cena was smart enough to seriously push to be turned multiple times), have improved drastically throughout their runs at the top. Roman is the same dude he's always been, same 0 mic ability, inability to get a good match unless he's being carried, etc. As for his entitlement, of course he is. His damn mark family was about to flip out when they changed plans at WM31. These Samoans basically white with that privilege

As a fan I'm not obligated to give a fukk about him just because he's got a family, fukk kinda rationale is that? I'm sure 95% of the dudes in the back are just as deserving and would appreciate the come up, doesn't mean they deserve to be at the top of the card

I literally repeated and debunked exactly what you said. How am I projecting? Do you understand what that word means?

The only part that you got is his promos.
at him not improving
at him not being able to put on a good match.

at him being entitled because his family, not him, freaked out about a last minute decision they had no idea about. Do you remember the shytty emotional build to that match involving his family? Fire pits in their house and emotional talks about their legacy Just for them to turn around and pull the whole shyt last minute. If I was then I’d be pissed too. Did anything Roman do indicate that he was upset backstage? ..... so where does the entitlement come from then?

You guys go extra stupid to prove a wrong point.

My post was meant to not only address you, but all the other comments in this post I didn’t feel like quoting. No one said you personally need to care, but y’all (General) sound extra stupid getting mad at wrestlers for caring about the money. That’s why a lot of people were mad at him for initially

 

[Rout3r2035]

I literally repeated and debunked exactly what you said. How am I projecting? Do you understand what that word means?

The only part that you got is his promos.
at him not improving
at him not being able to put on a good match.

at him being entitled because his family, not him, freaked out about a last minute decision they had no idea about. Do you remember the shytty emotional build to that match involving his family? Fire pits in their house and emotional talks about their legacy Just for them to turn around and pull the whole shyt last minute. If I was then I’d be pissed too. Did anything Roman do indicate that he was upset backstage? ..... so where does the entitlement come from then?

You guys go extra stupid to prove a wrong point.

My post was meant to not only address you, but all the other comments in this post I didn’t feel like quoting. No one said you personally need to care, but y’all (General) sound extra stupid getting mad at wrestlers for caring about the money.

Well I would appreciate it if you didn't stereotype what I said considering I'm not lumping you in with any of the other Roman fans (or should I say, apologists ) either

Can you name a single "good" program he's had where he was actually the better worker? That eliminates his matches with Daniel Bryan, AJ, Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins... this outright LIE that he's some great worker ignores the facts that 95% of these supposedly "good" matches are constructed almost entirely to give him big spots and make him look good (see his feud with Strowman, Big Show, etc.). What happens when he has to work his style with another inflexible worker? You get some main events including with Lesnar, HHH, Sheamus. Even Cena, as limited as he was, got great programs outta Lashley, Umaga, Ryback, etc. where the other guys actually had their offense accentuated as well and were arguably elevated even in losses

Didn't you read the part where I said they were acting like marks? It's fine to be disappointed, but to fukking flip out and actually threaten violence is LITERALLY the embodiment of entitlement Shouldn't this pedigree you said just loves the business so much appreciate that the book can always change

 

[GOATpernick]

Have him "end" Bryan's career

 

[Max.]

Deep down he wants to be a cocky heel

 

[dbp]

I've always heard in the sheets that he was well liked back stage. Had a good attitude and was a lockerroom leader, and no one really hated him despite the mega push.

My guess is that he knows it sucks, but he has a family to feed. Not just his immediate, but he probably takes care of a lot of folks. There's more awareness on concussions and longevity now too, so I think a lot of these newer guys know that it's best to make money while you can and don't anger the hand that feeds.

He's not an Austin/Rock/HBK type of guy.... those are the type of guys that can't just shut up and let the cheque clear. They gotta speak up if the direction sucks.

I don't think Roman is that guy, but I do think he's aware and cares on some level.

 

[September]

this outright LIE that he's some great worker ignores the facts that 95% of these supposedly "good" matches are constructed almost entirely to give him big spots and make him look good (see his feud with Strowman, Big Show, etc.).

You guys go extra stupid to prove a wrong point.

What happens when he has to work his style with another inflexible worker? You get some main events including with Lesnar, HHH, Sheamus. Even Cena, as limited as he was, got great programs outta Lashley, Umaga, Ryback, etc. where the other guys actually had their offense accentuated as well and were arguably elevated even in losses

Roman has had good to great matches with both Sheamus and Lesnar so idk what you’re talking about. The WM31 match was highly praised but you knew that already. Every match Roman/Sheamus had when he was going after the title for the first time was well-wrestled fukkery filled goodness. The outcomes were disappointing but that had to do with the story. He also gave Bray Wyatt his second best match of his career (DB giving him the best). He has wrestled good-great matches with everyone except HHH/Taker.

And now after all these years of people constantly saying no one came out of feuds with Cena looking better but now he elevated his opponents?

You guys go extra stupid to prove a wrong point.

The narrative that he lucks himself into good matches just because of his opponents is so ridiculous I can’t believe it’s a still a point that’s being argued. Y’all want to keep ignoring the fact that he was consistently delivering high caliber matches on back to back to back to back PPVs. CONSISTENTLY good on his part regardless of the opponent.

He works with upper echelon talent because he IS upper echelon talent in the WWE and a damn good worker. Even if you don’t, your favorite wrestlers agree.

Didn't you read the part where I said they were acting like marks? It's fine to be disappointed, but to fukking flip out and actually threaten violence is LITERALLY the embodiment of entitlement Shouldn't this pedigree you said just loves the business so much appreciate that the book can always change

Can you link me to this report about his family threatening violence? I never read it. And the way that angle went, yes I’d be pissed if I were their family. All 97 of them flew to WM watch him win his title after that awful unnecessarily emotional build.

But that’s irrelevant to the point because you said Roman was entitled and I’m still waiting for proof of this.

 

[Amor fati]

Joe Should have won the match at Backlash, there was no reason for reigns to win.

 

[luckyse7enz]

Roman seems to have been given a bit of a raw deal, and that's the only reason I ever feel somewhat bad for him but I doubt that he's got any kind of reservations about his career. He's achieved Cena status in no time and being THAT guy definitely isn't the worst thing in the world.

In some ways, it can kind of suck that it's come to this because a lot of wrestling fans have a hard time looking back and remembering how little things influence much bigger things later on. While I feel people would still probably feel close to the same about Roman's push at this point, I can't help but think back to when almost a LOT of guys on the roster were injured or had walked away from the company and Roman was on his ascent.

At that time, the only other babyface that people were obsessively calling upon (by name; outside of his segments) for the top spot was Daniel Bryan and this was when people weren't aware of the fact that he was actually too beat up to be trusted with a run. Keep in mind, this was also after he'd gone through Yes-tleMania, so he'd had his huge moment by this time.

It was probably the worst timing ever for Roman to get his push too because, while he was super over, the nail in the proverbial coffin for the big "IWC" turn was him getting put ahead of D-Bry and then CM Punk on the Cabana podcast with the shoot.

It's really interesting when you think back and consider the circumstances/story behind the phrase that molded the idea of Roman in Vince's eyes for the IWC:

"Make Roman look strong." :vinceskip:

CM Punk told that story with regard to a match that he had 3-on-1 AGAINST The Shield (at their peak, mind you...) and, crazier still, he was describing a match in which he went over ALL 3 members of The Shield CLEAN...remember?

....of course, Punk's my guy so this isn't really pointing a finger at him, per se, BUT I don't think he realized how it came across when he told that story.

When you listen back to it, that story could actually be interpreted as more of a critique on how WWE booking is clueless in how to build stars the right way (not that he thought Roman wasn't the right guy) because he repeatedly points out that Vince wanted him (Punk) to go over "the hottest 3 guys at the time, but make Reigns look strong", which makes sense and Punk acknowledges the flaw in the finish in saying "You know what'd REALLY make him look strong? If they beat me." :cmmad:

...and he was right. Then came Fastlane and so on...

Have him "end" Bryan's career

That'd be the angle they'd want to use that heel turn on, if they ever felt that it was really necessary to pull the trigger.

 

[HipHopStan]

I'd say that he, himself, is a bit tired of it all, but as long as he gets paid, it makes no difference to him. He's going to have a job for life, barring some horrible controversy or crime, with his family connections.

 

[TheGodling]

You can see that he is coasting in the ring right now but with booking like this, why would he bother. Vince has made up his mind about him and so have the fans. It's the unstoppable force versus the immovable object and Roman is stuck inbetween.

 

[Fenian]

Probably hurts a wee bit to get booed out the building but the money's good so I'm sure he isn't complaining.


Isn't really his fault anyway. Fella isn't forcing Vince to push him, he just isn't the guy wwe wants him to be and never will be .

 

[Yaboysix]

Ole pretty ass nikka.ive been out of the wrestling loop, but cant they "LL COOL J" this nikka and get him poppin that way?