We talking about flows not quotables.
Rappers With Unlimited Flows
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Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
you're propping up flows in vain. There's a distinction to be made
Young thug is the king of flows, u just got to deal with it... Why does that upset u?
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Nice response. Good structure and delivery.
However, this isn't an emotional thing or a bias - it's a standard, and the standard does not value superfluous/mindless lyrics taking the backseat to a catchy flow
Murkman
Pro
This is lengthy so bear with me
I can think of these as 4 go-to examples and these are all from different emcees. The tracks in particular happen to showcase trademarks of their signature styles too, for the sake of convenience. You will no doubt pick up that this is worth me making a thread series about, comments aren't sufficient. Listen to this list, focus SOLELY on their flows, nothing else. Then come back to this comment immediately when you're done.
Ludacris - Coming To America
Hov - Brooklyn Go Hard
Del - 3030
Twista - Death Before Dishonor
In each of those songs, just from recalling their flow styles. Although, each song has one area in flow they master a little more than the other aspects in the ways I described to you beforehand.
- All 4 shift tempos all over and throughout their verses, besides doing it in each one per song. They are immediately noticeable and are independent of the beat's own instrumentation and rhythmic pulse.
Luda's track takes the cake here, enough said. It's to where the beat change is catching up with him in REAL TIME -after dropping out of nowhere the 3rd verse.
- Meter varies like reading a page out a book, depends on the individual rapper and it feels natural too. They all don't have the tendency to rely on grouping sets together to keep structure intact. Instead they do other things on lengthening to keep your attention span.
Hov varies his meter the most out of the 4, no 2 lines in that song even have a remotely similar length. You can then substantiate to prove how he infamously claim to "write his songs by hand" (Rick Rubin said the last time he saw him write was the whole song "99 Problems". Hov said himself he rarely wrote, but that occasion he had to), because those who write on a pad eventually arrange their verses with metric similarities to keep traditional structure in a Rap verse.
How Hov did that is nothing short of mystery and a pure
.- Syncing and location of where they are to the beat drastically alters. By the time you adjusted to them flowing one way, they go elsewhere in other directions. This means they seldom line up flows where you expect to and the timing is dependent on circumstance. MF DOOM has done this his whole career, if you want a bonus example.
Note, they are 5 (including DOOM) of the most entertaining emcees in flows for this trait alone. This puts them in a echolon of professionals on flows. If you can be more rhythmically detailed than a beat....
Twista is very difficult and confounding to track where and when he's flowing to the pulse of a beat. Imagine seeing a piece of sheet music with his triple-time notation chopped all to be damned, like a musical Jigsaw puzzle.
- How they sequence the patterns of cadences within their respective flows, are very distinctive and are a part of them as personal preference - their "Signatures".
When most West Coast Rap artists wanted to flow like Pac, Snoop, Cube, etc. Del on that song has cadences which you can tell no one can imitate (and to this day hasn't due to him not being an icon). In "3030", his patterns take an almost, malleable form. Remember the song is over 7 daunting fukking minutes long, giving him a ton to do. Lupe's "Mural" (2015) was a
8 minutes
, he wrote this back in 2000-2001!!!!!!!! 
He is using the vast space of the beat whenever applicable - however he can stretch them in and out the confines of it.
Hard to imagine another West Coast emcee, who's cadences would match the way that beat is constructed on purpose.
@Deltron can attest to that, ask him.
If you have more questions, inbox me because I have a feeling other users will get on my ass for making this discussion longer than it had to be. Please, ask away the Booth seldom has intriguing topics.
I have work tomorrow, so I'll be going to sleep in 30 minutes bro. It's 30 past midnight right now, hit me up meanwhile.
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nairdas
I've Destroyed Whole Planets
Lupe
TI
Bone
Wayne
Wayne is probably underrated when it comes to switching flows. The only flow he probably can't do is the triple time flow, but other than that he has mastered every flow in the game and even pioneered some like that auto tuned, drugged out flow.
TI
Bone
Wayne
Wayne is probably underrated when it comes to switching flows. The only flow he probably can't do is the triple time flow, but other than that he has mastered every flow in the game and even pioneered some like that auto tuned, drugged out flow.
Burger King
Beefin
method man
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Maaaan you doing too much,I just wanted the songs. And you named a bunch of songs I don't care for at all. This 3030 shyt is corny. Ain't nothing wrong with the hov and Luda songs but neither are impressive considering their catalogs. Twista song is just same ole twista. I'm not big on "I've been underground forever" rappers like Mf doom. If your so called abilities don't rise you to the top,then maybe you aren't that good.This is lengthy so bear with me
I can think of these as 4 go-to examples and these are all from different emcees. The tracks in particular happen to showcase trademarks of their signature styles too, for the sake of convenience. You will no doubt pick up that this is worth me making a thread series about, comments aren't sufficient. Listen to this list, focus SOLELY on their flows, nothing else. Then come back to this comment immediately when you're done.
Ludacris - Coming To America
Hov - Brooklyn Go Hard
Del - 3030
Twista - Death Before Dishonor
In each of those songs, just from recalling their flow styles. Although, each song has one area in flow they master a little more than the other aspects in the ways I described to you beforehand.
- All 4 shift tempos all over and throughout their verses, besides doing it in each one per song. They are immediately noticeable and are independent of the beat's own instrumentation and rhythmic pulse.
Luda's track takes the cake here, enough said. It's to where the beat change is catching up with him in REAL TIME -after dropping out of nowhere the 3rd verse.
- Meter varies like reading a page out a book, depends on the individual rapper and it feels natural too. They all don't have the tendency to rely on grouping sets together to keep structure intact. Instead they do other things on lengthening to keep your attention span.
Hov varies his meter the most out of the 4, no 2 lines in that song even have a remotely similar length. You can then substantiate to prove how he infamously claim to "write his songs by hand" (Rick Rubin said the last time he saw him write was the whole song "99 Problems". Hov said himself he rarely wrote, but that occasion he had to), because those who write on a pad eventually arrange their verses with metric similarities to keep traditional structure in a Rap verse.
How Hov did that is nothing short of mystery and a pure
- Syncing and location of where they are to the beat drastically alters. By the time you adjusted to them flowing one way, they go elsewhere in other directions. This means they seldom line up flows where you expect to and the timing is dependent on circumstance. MF DOOM has done this his whole career, if you want a bonus example.
Note, they are 5 (including DOOM) of the most entertaining emcees in flows for this trait alone. This puts them in a echolon of professionals on flows. If you can be more rhythmically detailed than a beat....
Twista is very difficult and confounding to track where and when he's flowing to the pulse of a beat. Imagine seeing a piece of sheet music with his triple-time notation chopped all to be damned, like a musical Jigsaw puzzle.
- How they sequence the patterns of cadences within their respective flows, are very distinctive and are a part of them as personal preference - their "Signatures".
When most West Coast Rap artists wanted to flow like Pac, Snoop, Cube, etc. Del on that song has cadences which you can tell no one can imitate (and to this day hasn't due to him not being an icon). In "3030", his patterns take an almost, malleable form. Remember the song is over 7 daunting fukking minutes long, giving him a ton to do. Lupe's "Mural" (2015) was a
He is using the vast space of the beat whenever applicable - however he can stretch them in and out the confines of it.
Hard to imagine another West Coast emcee, who's cadences would match the way that beat is constructed on purpose.
@Deltron can attest to that, ask him.
If you have more questions, inbox me because I have a feeling other users will get on my ass for making this discussion longer than it had to be. Please, ask away the Booth seldom has intriguing topics.
I have work tomorrow, so I'll be going to sleep in 30 minutes bro. It's 30 past midnight right now, hit me up meanwhile.
If the only songs you can think of are obscure songs from obscure artists or lower tier songs from known artists,then maybe rappers don't need to do what you're talking about and be more like biggie etc.
I respect scientific break downs but often times nikkas end up over complicating meh shyt and making it deeper than it actually is.
Twistas song sounds like everything else he does but you're crediting him for Lil shyt while ignoring the fact that it's his same ole cadence and nothing special at all. Same ole "melody" bounce etc.
You're saying no one could do some of the 3030 cadences as if they should want to. That shyt is corny and should never be mimicked. Personally I have no problem with seamless flow changes. I want it to change enough for impact but not to the point that it doesn't make sense or looks too try-hard.
Hennessy&Enemies
Banned
Just because he has a innovative and different flow than other rappers doesn't mean he is versatile or have unlimited flows.. All that dapped you took a L for that one
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TROLL IS LIFE
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Thugger got too many flows right now
Thugger got too many flows right now
Murkman
Pro
So basically, you want shyt to all sound like Biggie? Got you, makes sense, wow some of you nikkas are just dense in the head and cannot appreciate anything different, amazing.
And your part about Twista is retarded, because you can easily say that about Biggie. That's besides the point that on albums like "Adrenaline Rush", he switches flow styles constantly throughout that whole album, he doesn't rap on the same tempo on that project. You then said the 3030 shyt is "corny"? Of all the wack ass emcees who don't do shyt with their flows, HE IS "CORNY"?
At this point you're just bytching, and not even being specific. You sound like some try hard pretentious fukk who wants everything done in some one-dimensional way, yet you're saying in your own dumbass words that can't make up your mind:
"I respect scientific break downs but often times nikkas end up over complicating meh shyt and making it deeper than it actually is"
Do you have any idea how you sound like some bytch made Pop fans the way you made that judgment? We are NOT talking about lyricism, but rhythm.
"if your so called abilities don't help you wish to the top maybe you're not that good" - WOW, spoken like a cave bytch.
So even though Hov, Luda and Twista had hits, DOOM choosing to be Independent is somehow invalidating his career?
This is RAP of all genres, there is nothing simple or surface level about flows, otherwise every emcee would flow to a beat the exact same way.
You don't "want those songs", your picky ass would've said the same bullshyt regardless, you nikkas wonder why this generation doesn't impress at all. Your demands are all over the place. Your goal post moving is legendary, all in one post. Does nothing satisfy you outside of how Biggie flows?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
1.No,i just wanted some examples that exemplified what you were talking about,yet were turned out to be dope and had the masses reciting them. Instead i got songs that meant very little and spitting like biggie would be a great upgrade1.So basically, you want shyt to all sound like Biggie? Got you, makes sense, wow some of you nikkas are just dense in the head and cannot appreciate anything different, amazing.
2.And your part about Twista is retarded, because you can easily say that about Biggie. That's besides the point that on albums like "Adrenaline Rush", he switches flow styles constantly throughout that whole album, he doesn't rap on the same tempo on that project. 3.You then said the 3030 shyt is "corny"? Of all the wack ass emcees who don't do shyt with their flows, HE IS "CORNY"?
4At this point you're just bytching, and not even being specific. You sound like some try hard pretentious fukk who wants everything done in some one-dimensional way, yet you're saying in your own dumbass words that can't make up your mind:
"I respect scientific break downs but often times nikkas end up over complicating meh shyt and making it deeper than it actually is"
5Do you have any idea how you sound like some bytch made Pop fans the way you made that judgment? We are NOT talking about lyricism, but rhythm.
6"if your so called abilities don't help you wish to the top maybe you're not that good" - WOW, spoken like a cave bytch.
7So even though Hov, Luda and Twista had hits, DOOM choosing to be Independent is somehow invalidating his career?
8This is RAP of all genres, there is nothing simple or surface level about flows, otherwise every emcee would flow to a beat the exact same way.
9You don't "want those songs", your picky ass would've said the same bullshyt regardless, you nikkas wonder why this generation doesn't impress at all. Your demands are all over the place. Your goal post moving is legendary, all in one post. Does nothing satisfy you outside of how Biggie flows?
(although i consider luda and jay,great flow artists)
2.nikka please. Twista is a very repetitive and nowhere near biggie in terms of diverse flows.shyt give a nikka headache,all that same ole fast shyt. My favorite twista performances are probably middle of the night remix and po pimp. But truthfully he has very few memorable flows despite having bars.
I'm Wrong? Name some verses he has that people know word for word other than the ones i named.
I could name biggie flows all day.
3.Yes his flow is corny. Cool that he tried but i dont like how it sounds so i could care less that he tried. Using varying flows only mean something if it turns out good to me. Otherwise just do some dope formatted flow.
4.I'm saying what's the point of doing deep breakdowns on average shyt like that twista shyt etc. If you think what twista did on that song can match ,say biggie on MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS,then you lost not me.
5.&6. fukk your feelings
7.It's not about doom being indy. It;s about him not being shyt on the streets either. Not just commercially. Care less about the Jean Grae's of the world.
8.I don't want it to be a certain way. I like diversity.
9.I'm not being picky. We were using biggie as a reference point. We're talking a guy who was batting at 100% when it came to making hits and creating many memorable varying flows in a very short time. You act as if the shyt you were explaining was next level shyt above what biggie was doing and proceeded to drop songs that pale in comparison to biggie's greatness.
Come better.
And 2pac is my favorite nikka when it comes to flows and hiphop in general,for the record.
