Rap Sh!t star Aida Osman was coerced out of coochie by "Wild N Out" star, she was only 22 yrs old!

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No— y’all don’t want to acknowledge that some chicks really are naive and goofy. ESPECIALLY at 18, 19 if they are coming from good households that essentially shelter them. I speak from experience.

I was ALWAYS with my family and my high school had less than 390 students total (exclusive prep school). Going to college was LITERALLY a whole new world and level of exposure.
And I had some wild moments where dudes would literally step in and be like “she’s a nice girl, leave her alone” cuz I wasn’t picking up on any of those cues. And I mean I was literally saved in one particular instance because someone was mad I wasn’t responding to his advances.

After a professor and professor’s assistant (different classes) tried me (plus other stories I mentioned up thread), however, I quickly realized some things and became more guarded.

MOST 18-22 YOs are not worldly women who know everything and can handle every situation or have foresight.

PLUS some people are legitimately dumb or have some issues where they don’t pick up on social cues, etc. A lot of those chicks end up in these situations. I really think ppl don’t take mental issues into account when talking about this shyt.

I can spot the BS a mile away noooooow. I was a bumbling fool when I was 18/19 and was really lucky I had good ppl around me most of the time.
This is valid and important. A lot of chicks are naive. I think the thing that guys struggle with when it comes to accepting/understanding this is we dont get to be naive. If a guy is innocent and trusting he is gonna catch hell pretty early on (unless he is a great athlete). Guys are gonna push him around and take advantage of him. And girls arent gonna give him the time of day and those that do are gonna play him. It get real for us early :pachaha:.

You present a persepective most guys arent privy to. Females arent privy to the lack of guile, ignorance, awkwardness, insecurity, doubt, second guessing, trial and error etc that guys go through when it comes to approaching. "Is she feeling me or she just being friendly?" "Do I make a move? Do I not?" So to label everything that isnt smooth or that you arent comfortable with as coercion or predatory is just as wrong and dangerous as assuming all chicks "know what it is". It can be even more damaging actually because only a shytty sociopath of a dude is gonna violate a woman's boundaries. Whereas a perfectly decent woman can destroy a man's reputation throwing such words around based on her ignorance and feelings rather than what actually occurred.

I agree that its up to families to school young women. Society has a job too. We are teaching young men to respect boundaries...to get consent. We should be teaching young women how to set boundaries and helping them to understand their power and responsibility when it comes to consent. We should be teaching the difference between a guy shooting his shot, even if its awkward or unskilled or even uncomfortable and a guy trying to harm you.
 

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this is an industry where guys will be parlaying all night in the name of networking, going to strip clubs, going to each others rooms to drink, play video games, smoke, whatever. if you can't say the same thing for a guy then stfu. period. respectfully

now you can say YOU wouldn't do it. that's you and you do what you want. but to say she is WRONG for doing so when it's a basic act of social decency or even borderline work obligation to build with a team member, that's different.
For starters we cant use the goose/gander stuff only when it is convenient If a guy presented a story like the one she presented he'd get :rudy: from men and women alike.

"She obviously liked you. Are you dumb?"
"Guys just dont pick up on the signs"

A chick can be as aggressive as she wants with no fear of being reprimanded let alone locked up and even if the guy aint interested she got a good shot at getting the dikk. Dudes have post nut clarity all the time but don't get to play victim and throw such words around carelessly. And thats ok because men and women are different.

That said, guys dont just hang out one on one with random guys that they dont know like that, especially at 3am.
 

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You're saying that "some" females are naive and dumb like this.

If it was just "some", other women would call them out.
But they don't because they must all suffer from the same dumb ass affliction the rest of them do.
So either its all of y'all are naive and dumb or all of y'all are playing like you are...

For example... If a 22yr old nikka was at an event like homegirl in the video, but he was there with a bunch of gay dudes.

And one of the gay dudes is talking bout getting coffee in his room or whatever. And dude was like "homie coereced me" or "laughed me into giving up the butt".

The majority of men would laughed in that nikkaz face, and tell him that he must have wanted it to happen. Cause nobody is that gott damn dumb at that age.
Hahahahah facts!
 
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For starters we cant use the goose/gander stuff only when it is convenient If a guy presented a story like the one she presented he'd get :rudy: from men and women alike.

"She obviously liked you. Are you dumb?"
"Guys just dont pick up on the signs"

A chick can be as aggressive as she wants with no fear of being reprimanded let alone locked up and even if the guy aint interested she got a good shot at getting the dikk. Dudes have post nut clarity all the time but don't get to play victim and throw such words around carelessly. And thats ok because men and women are different.

That said, guys dont just hang out one on one with random guys that they dont know like that, especially at 3am.

First of all idgaf about you missing signs. Yall mfers ain't batman, it's not that serious. And 2, do I even sound like the type to give signs? Let alone at a coworker which was the context of a story so I have no clue what you are comparing this to hanging out with a "random guy".

I'm not even trying to get with a coworker especially not on no "slick" shyt. That shyt is dumb and goofy and has been so for decades. Smarten up

Nobody is wrong for not expecting to get hollered at in a sneaky way by a work colleague. Period

Idk how these hollywood mfers don't get it by now. I guess the saying is money doesn't buy commen sense .... or whatever
 
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First of all idgaf about you missing signs. Yall mfers ain't batman, it's not that serious. And 2, do I even sound like the type to give signs? Let alone at a coworker which was the context of a story so I have no clue what you are comparing this to hanging out with a "random guy".

I'm not even trying to get with a coworker especially not on no "slick" shyt. That shyt is dumb and goofy and has been so for decades. Smarten up
The point is that guys dont get to play the "I had no idea" card. If your man laid out a scenario just like that with him in her place and a chick in ol boys place you would be ok with it? Just hanging in hotel rooms with a woman he dont know like that. You would assume he is totally innocent and unaware?

She didnt know him like that so he's random even if they have the same employer. This is a non-story if she knows him well. Plenty of people fool around with coworkers. Its your right not to. But that doesnt make anyone that does into a slick creep or worse yet a coercive predator.
 
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This is valid and important. A lot of chicks are naive. I think the thing that guys struggle with when it comes to accepting/understanding this is we dont get to be naive. If a guy is innocent and trusting he is gonna catch hell pretty early on (unless he is a great athlete). Guys are gonna push him around and take advantage of him. And girls arent gonna give him the time of day and those that do are gonna play him. It get real for us early :pachaha:.

You present a persepective most guys arent privy to. Females arent privy to the lack of guile, ignorance, awkwardness, insecurity, doubt, second guessing, trial and error etc that guys go through when it comes to approaching. "Is she feeling me or she just being friendly?" "Do I make a move? Do I not?" So to label everything that isnt smooth or that you arent comfortable with as coercion or predatory is just as wrong and dangerous as assuming all chicks "know what it is". It can be even more damaging actually because only a shytty sociopath of a dude is gonna violate a woman's boundaries. Whereas a perfectly decent woman can destroy a man's reputation throwing such words around based on her ignorance and feelings rather than what actually occurred.

I agree that its up to families to school young women. Society has a job too. We are teaching young men to respect boundaries...to get consent. We should be teaching young women how to set boundaries and helping them to understand their power and responsibility when it comes to consent. We should be teaching the difference between a guy shooting his shot, even if its awkward or unskilled or even uncomfortable and a guy trying to harm you.
Alot of chix are naive... Alot of dudes are naive....
But that's not what you're really saying.
You're saying we should believe This bullshyt they are saying because most, to all women, are naive.

And I'm telling you that isn't true and doesn't even make any sense.
Females are actually way more mature than boys in the same age groups.

It is just another angle women use to not have accountability and also the male ego believing we are stronger and smarter... That allows us to believe something silly that women are naive.

This female in the video at 22yrs old doesnt know that men want p*ssy smh.

Let that just swirl around in your head for a moment.
 

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Alot of chix are naive... Alot of dudes are naive....
But that's not what you're really saying.
You're saying we should believe This bullshyt they are saying because most, to all women, are naive.

And I'm telling you that isn't true and doesn't even make any sense.
Females are actually way more mature than boys in the same age groups.

It is just another angle women use to not have accountability and also the male ego believing we are stronger and smarter... That allows us to believe something silly that women are naive.

This female in the video at 22yrs old doesnt know that men want p*ssy smh.

Let that just swirl around in your head for a moment.
Respectfully please dont tell me what I am saying.

You would be surprised how naive some women are. Now I am not getting into percentages but I know for certain there are women out there that are very naive and I understand how that could be based on the differences in how we are socialized. Now do some women run game with that? Of course. Shutting down the convo and not hearing alternative points of view or considering things beyond your (not you personally, speaking in 2nd person) own scope or understanding doesnt provide for any productive discourse or a resolution.

That said, naive or not as an independent adult you are responsible for your well-being and accountable for what you do.
 
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Respectfully please dont tell me what I am saying.

You would be surprised how naive some women are. Now I am not getting into percentages but I know for certain there are women out there that are very naive and I understand how that could be based on the differences in how we are socialized. Now do some women run game with that? Of course. Shutting down the convo and not hearing alternative points of view or considering things beyond your (not you personally, speaking in 2nd person) own scope or understanding doesnt provide for any productive discourse or a resolution.

That said, naive or not as an independent adult you are responsible for your well-being and accountable for what you do.
Bro... Why would I be surprised that there's some naive people in the world?
Male and female

You're being disingenuous with your point.
You said "alot of women are naive"

But then you started talking about the difference in how men are in general and how women are in general.

This is why u said you're not going to get into percentages because you don't want to get caught leaning one way or the other with your point.

The point u seem to be making (without going all the way) is women are more naive than men because we have to interact with the world differently.

And I'm saying NO. They are no more naive or dumb as a man.

I can also make a case that they are more cunning and clever than men, which they've used to make men excuse them of accountability
 
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Some 22 years olds are naive about sex and some are not including men too. There's naive virgins out there into their 30s.

What's the end game, should the legal age of consent be raised to 35 so by that time everybody knows what coffee at 3am means? In the comments section some women are calling him a predator because he hit on an adult woman.



"he wasn't discreet he lied about wanting coffee...its predatory b/c he could have asked up front & took the NO for the no if the answer was going to be no simple"

"Just because he didn’t commit a “crime” doesn’t mean he wasn’t exhibiting predatory behavior or trying to take advantage of a young woman. "
 
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