RANT: People shytting on KG now? :WTF:

[Cynical Thoughts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtmGB3FgB1c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

If that was the playoffs, if I remember correctly they were purposely trying to get him ejected.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

kg the goat, nikkaz mad cause he punk they favorite players, i seen kg get in kmart face, and ron face when ron was fukking rondo, stop that bullshyt, and i heard kg was looking for peeler outside the bus, and lets talk bout how kg moved to chi and lived on his own and had to play games of street ball for money in some of the worst hoods in the chi and made it out that shyt,nikkaz aint grew up in that shyt and most of yall fav players soft as fukk and wouldnt make it thru that shyt, him going thru that shyt made him the man he is, nikkaz aint fukkin wit kg, nikkaz soft as fukk, lol i remember when kg punk that nikka from the heat before bron got there, that year for pushing paul pierce down, and kg shytted on that nikka, and none and i mean none of the big mean tried to do him shyt, nikka aint say a word, but instead they want to grab big baby up when he didnt do shyt, j. O'Neil was on the team and none of them went after kg

im not even gon arguing if he is one of the greatest players, or if he better than dirk cause he better than easily, and even wit tim, but tim got them rings so i give him that tie breaker

 

[Walt]

Also, it's funny how you went from:



to

Is it really that har dee har har hilarious, my g? I was saying that Pierce closed games during that title run... which was like 5 years ago. Then I'm saying Pierce was banged up and Allen was banged up and they weren't converting though they were still getting plays drawn up for them down the stretch. Did that really tickle your fancy, mein freund?

When did Pippen average more PPG than Jordan in the playoffs? When did Pippen anchor a defense? When did Pippen have 1000x more impact on defense than Jordan did? When did Pippen have more 4th quarter PPG in closing games than Jordan did? When did Pippen have a +10 FG% (or a comparable FG% considerably greater for a wing player) over Jordan?

When did KG ever a team that lost the greatest player of all time to 50 wins?

When did KG put up 21, 8, 5 and 3 steals while playing with other great player?

And are you really pretending Pippen was never thought of as the anchor for that Bulls' D? A player who guarded 5 positions in one game? Who averaged 3 steals an a block a game while playing mostly on the perimeter? Who led the league in defensive rating?



I guess you have a point.... he never quite outperformed arguably the greatest player of all time in the clutch.

On the other hand, when did Kg ever win 6 titles? 5? 4?3? 2?

I hear what you're saying, but they aren't comparable in this instance. I'm not saying that Pierce shouldn't have been the most important/influential/impactful player on that team (in order for the Celtics to go further in the playoffs - because that's entirely a different argument) - again, all I'm saying is how far the Celtics got last season was down to KG, he was the most important piece and the main reason the Celtics got as far as they did.

And I was talking about the title run, and in general, not specifically last season.

Wait, how could he have been - when he was like #4 /#5 option in the clutch last season?

Aside from being the team's most consistent player, their engine, and the key to their offense while also being a strong defensive PG, he had better overall numbers both in the basic and in the advanced stats.

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fukk that bytch ass black log of shyt

 

[Big Blue]

He lost me after the Villanueva trash talking. Burnt piece of shyt.

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[Recca Gatsby]

I respect his game.


But FUKK that bytch nygga.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When did KG ever a team that lost the greatest player of all time to 50 wins?

When did KG put up 21, 8, 5 and 3 steals while playing with other great player?

And are you really pretending Pippen was never thought of as the anchor for that Bulls' D? A player who guarded 5 positions in one game? Who averaged 3 steals an a block a game while playing mostly on the perimeter? Who led the league in defensive rating?



I guess you have a point.... he never quite outperformed arguably the greatest player of all time in the clutch.

On the other hand, when did Kg ever win 6 titles? 5? 4?3? 2?

Once again - the evidence you're providing isn't relevant to the argument. I ain't talking what he's achieved throughout his career; this is solely about last season. How many times do I have to reiterate my OG point? Pippen never once outperformed Jordan in the playoffs, this is why your Pippen comparison doesn't compute - because KG outperformed Pierce last season in the playoffs.

And I was talking about the title run, and in general, not specifically last season.

I was talking about last season, not any other season. I've said a countless amount of times now.

This is how it all started:

KG's impact/infuence on the team >>>>> PP's (11/12). KG was more of a deciding factor in the past playoffs - contrary to popular belief; he came up clutch in deciding games (plus 6's and 5's) all throughout the playoffs on both ends of the court. Plus he averaged more PPG in the post-season than Pierce did as well - so the offense wouldn't be stuck in neutral as you say (19.2 to Pierce's 18.9). However, that defense would be stuck in reverse if it wasn't for KG.

KG was the most important player on the Celtics this past season and it's not even close.

No. Period.

Got love for you, but you invisible to the God on this issue.

Then you went on this wild tangent of talking about what Pierce done the aforementioned seasons before and how their team is most successful when Pierce is the most important player and I specifically said 11/12 - "Pierce who averaged 18.9 PPG on 38% shooting and KG 19.2 PPG on 49% shooting" and gave defensive stats ONLY for the 11/12 season and you responded with -

Dog, advanced stats tell you a lot... and tell you a lot less in bball than anything else. I watch every minute of every game I can. I'm a fiend. And I played at a high level. KG is a Hall of Famer, I will never front on that. KG anchor a D in his prime - absolutely. KG IS NOT THE FIRST OPTION AT THE END OF GAMES UNLESS NO ONE CAN GET FREE OR THEY DESIGN A PLAY FOR A WING J. That nikka loud as fukk but quiet in the post with the game on the line... CONSISTENTLY. And for all them stats, he couldn't make a title run until he was alternating between a 2nd and 3rd option, PERIOD. That nikka is NOT in the convo with TD, at all. And he's below Dirk too. Pierce closed all those games with few exceptions, I watched all of them, and no team D stats gonna tell me a fukking thing contrary to that black ass doodoo log drifting on the perimeter in the clutch. Like a 27 inch Zenith, I seen it.

There you go again talking about other seasons and unrelated players, things I ain't arguing against - making no relevant rebuttal to what I actually stated (originally).

Followed by:

All I'm arguing is that KG was the most important player on the Celtics this past season.

So during a season in which his team ain't win shyt, he was the most important player?

That suits Pierce's and my agenda quite well.

Exactly how does it suit your agenda, when I all argued was that KG had more impact/influence and outperformed Pierce in the 11/12 playoffs (regardless of what success they had). Then when I reiterate my point for about the FOURTH time, you finally realise what the argument is about and you switch from Pierce to Rondo and use points such as "Pierce wasn't able to close and they weren't able to win" and go over unrelated past season points of 'I remember Garnett running away from the post and Russell was screaming at him to get back in there and what did the advanced stats tell you in terms of KG's ability to close games?'

Once again bringing up points I ain't arguing about. I keep reiterating I'm only talking about how KG performed in the 11/12 season and you keep bringing up what he did the season(s) before.

Aside from being the team's most consistent player, their engine, and the key to their offense while also being a strong defensive PG, he had better overall numbers both in the basic and in the advanced stats

I've already covered why Rondo wasn't the most important player:

We don't know who's gonna be the most important/instrumental player for the Celtics this season - all we know is who was the most important player last season.

Celtics defense in the regular season: #1 ranked defense rating, #1 ranked in opposition FG% in the paint and #2 ranked in opposition points per game.

Celtics defense in the playoffs: Celtics' defense allowed 90.65 points per 100 possessions - Garnett on court; ranked #1 in the league.

Celtics' defense allowed 123.28 points per 100 possessions - Garnett off court; ranked last in the league.

Top ranked Celtic players:

Kevin Garnett +32.63 points
Avery Bradley +11.1 points
Marquis Daniels +4.0 points
Mickeal Pietrus +2.4 points
Player(s) gap
Rajon Rondo -2.1 points

He was the difference between the Celtics being the BEST defensive team in the playoffs and being the WORST.

+ KG had added-responsibility in the front court with O'Neal only playing a small portion of the season - forcing him to move to C.

You may say that statistics are only part of the picture; context and eye-test(s) need to be taken into account. Context/eye test = in over 16 seasons, Garnett has proven he's ONE of the greatest defenders of all time and since he's joined the Celtics, they've been a top 5 ranked defense every single year (before Garnett the Celtics were defensively-ranked 16th, 20th, 14th since Rivers has been head coach). The statistics are just there as evidential proof to say he's still performing at an elite level on the defensive end; even though he's lost x-amount of athleticism.

You say Celtics would have a defensive philosophy/mentality regardless of Garnett being on the team, but would they still have had the same production and effectiveness on defense without Garnett?

You say who would run that offense if you took Rondo out + saying his loss would be more detrimental -

Celtics offense in the regular season: #26th ranked in points per game, #21st ranked in pace, #27th in offensive rating.

Celtics offense in the playoffs: #10th out of 16 ranked in points per game, #11th out of 16 ranked offense in pace; #10th ranked out of 16 in offensive rating.

You may say they're slower paced due to the age of the big three, then you also have to apply that reasoning to their defense, afterall defenses need to adjust and play (+ manipulate) to the pace of the opposition offenses' as well. Translation = old legs have an impact on the offensive end just like they do on the defensive end. A major part of their lowly-ranked/inefficient offense was that Rondo crippled the fluidity of the offense by not creating his own offense (21st ranked PG for drawing fouls in the league) and teams not being threatened by his shooting ability (therefore focussing on other players on the floor - team's help-defensive schemes had one less player to account for). He was too reliant on spacing and players finding openings, which halted the pace and momentum (therefore defenses would have a higher % of being set) rather than creating and capitalising on miss-matchups and attempting his own shot. He still hasn't consistently figured out how to run a fluid offense; balancing when to shoot/when to pass.

On the other side of the court - KG was the most offensively-productive PF/C in the playoffs and he also was the most productive scoring-threat for the Celtics in the playoffs too - leading the team with 19 PPG on 50% shooting. Both Allen and Pierce scored less and both shot 38%/39% in the playoffs.

Point is - KG had a larger-bearing on the Celtics winning% than Rondo did in the entire '11/'12 season, it's not an opinion - it's a fact.

Rondo was not the most consistent player on their team; their offense was criticized in games all throughout the playoffs (and was the main reason they couldn't close the series' sooner), based on Rondo not being aggressive enough scoring-wise when Pierce and Allen couldn't get it going offensively. The offense would get bogged down when team's knew Rondo wouldn't attempt to shoot in many situations and they'd played x-feet defense on him and use their 5 players to rotate defending on the other 4 Celtics on the floor. And naw he hasn't been a strong defensive PG for a long time, especially not last season that's why he got burned constantly by his man in the playoffs due to being lazy and conserving his energy -

“I’m concerned but not as far as him getting tired but I don’t want him to save himself on the floor,” Rivers said. “There’s a minutes number for him. We don’t know what it is yet. We’ll figure it out where he can play his minutes at full pace instead of knowing he’s going to be on the floor too long and then he starts pacing himself. We need him to be a fast, quick, aggressive player.”

Too often he lets his man coast by him and sticks his hand in the player's pocket to knock the ball free and too often he funnels his man half-heartedly to KG on the weakside/strongside. It was evident all through the playoffs. He simply isn't a great defender. This is why he wasn't their most consistent player - he NEVER played consistently on the offensive end and he NEVER played consistently on the defensive end. And I'm not even gonna get into the state of his numbers and how they aren't an accurate reflection on the impact his game has.

 

[Born2BKing]

He's a loud mouthed long pack of soy sauce who continually got bounced out in the 1st round as a #1 , got his ring as a #2 /#3 and Dirk is ahead of him at this point all time.

He gets HOF props, but that's where it stops.

And I 1-stared this thread off GP, because fukk that dark ass black snake moan nikka.

Sooooo, is it safe to say you're not a fan of his?

 

[The Entity]

He's a loud mouthed long pack of soy sauce who continually got bounced out in the 1st round as a #1 , got his ring as a #2 /#3 and Dirk is ahead of him at this point all time.

He gets HOF props, but that's where it stops.

And I 1-stared this thread off GP, because fukk that dark ass black snake moan nikka.

Loud mouthed long pack of soy sauce

Nygga wtf

 

[Walt]

Once again - the evidence you're providing isn't relevant to the argument. I ain't talking what he's achieved throughout his career; this is solely about last season.

In fairness, I'll confess that I didn't even notice you posted about that one specific year. I was posting in two or three KG threads at once. When it comes to anti-KG propaganda, I grind blindly and hard as fukk.

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P.S. - fukk THAT SKINNY PIECE OF PAVEMENT

 

[No1]

As a KG stan, it pains me to say that you're letting Walt shyt on you all. I can't even come in here and try to broker some passage way for KG to get a W out of this. fukk y'all

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

In fairness, I'll confess that I didn't even notice you posted about that one specific year. I was posting in two or three KG threads at once. When it comes to anti-KG propaganda, I grind blindly and hard as fukk.

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P.S. - fukk THAT SKINNY PIECE OF PAVEMENT

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

As a KG stan, it pains me to say that you're letting Walt shyt on you all. I can't even come in here and try to broker some passage way for KG to get a W out of this. fukk y'all

Ain't no one shyt on me.

 

[Texas2step]

In this thread, a few people are shytting on KG for being a warrior, trash-talking his opponents, etc.



How can you hate on the man for being a fierce competitor? Personally, I'm peaceful and don't trash-talk. KG a warrior though. When they asked him about being on a losing team (T-Wolves), dude shed a few silent tears - that's how bad he wants it. The dude prepared to pay any price for success, and is a real motherfukking G with a code of honor (he got traded from Minnie out of respect, IIRC - didn't ask to change teams even though his was losing )

So what he trash talks opponents? If you want to watch people hug and frolic in the fields together, watch Glee. I'm watching a man's sport, and KG is a motherfukking beast psychologically. Dude cut Ray Allen out of his life for quitting on the team . Say what you want, but ] that is insane dedication and focus.

I may not agree with everything you do but I appreciate it, K.G. to a great b-ball player and competitor.

It is because he is not a warrior and he always cowards whenever someone doesn't buy his tough guy bluff

 

[Rasheed's Bald Spot]

As a KG stan, it pains me to say that you're letting Walt shyt on you all. I can't even come in here and try to broker some passage way for KG to get a W out of this. fukk y'all

Ive seen many legendary competitors from an up close perspective that many of you cannot, and have been reflecting the past year and a half sitting in a haze...I sit perched atop the head of a person that has attained credibility of opinion and skill.

This poster you speak of would be on a poster if he crossed basketball paths with KG, especially on a mean backdoor one handed alley or a tip slam due to insufficient boxing out.

I don't even want to go into what Sheed would do to him one on one in the post. I wonder his opinion of Sheed...

 

[No1]

Ive seen many legendary competitors from an up close perspective that many of you cannot, and have been reflecting the past year and a half sitting in a haze...I sit perched atop the head of a person that has attained credibility of opinion and skill.

This poster you speak of would be on a poster if he crossed basketball paths with KG, especially on a mean backdoor one handed alley or a tip slam due to insufficient boxing out.

I don't even want to go into what Sheed would do to him one on one in the post. I wonder his opinion of Sheed...