Random thought on wages...

[Everythingg]

No, slavery cannot be voluntary agreed to as labor is currently. if you disagree please explain this voluntary slave concept.
Govt. does use force, and I would agree we are slaves to the state, if that is what you are saying.

If you are saying the fry cook and Wendy'd is a slave to the Wendy's corporation I wholly disagree.

How can you volunteer to be a slave to the state but not volunteer to be slave to labor?

I've never heard anyone claim that they were a slave to a certain corporation. Maybe they were being worked LIKE slaves but I've never heard the first statement. Maybe you have.

If the gov't is a slave to corporations what does that make the people that are slaves to the corporation? Slaves to ______? I'll let you fill in the blank because you might have a different answer than mine

 

[DEAD7]

Ok, now we getting somewhere. I respect your answers. Now answer me this: looking at the numbers, blacks are going to college more, but they are not finishing; black communites are being hypersegregated at an alarming rate; income and net worth between blacks and whites is expanding; all these things are affecting the job market for the working class as more and more jobs are being taken that pay minimum wage, which is putting blacks at a disproportionate position. My question to you is what is your analysis of the black condition currently? How do you see it and where do you see it going in this current system?

I do see what you reference as a race issue, but as an economic issue.

To answer your first question, I think blacks have made tremendous strides and need to understand we havent caught up, because whites havent stood still. The distance we have closed though IMO is staggering, and I think we should consider it when complaining about how far we have to go.

In our current system i see everyone below the poverty line continuing to get screwed, and kept afloat by the state... until it crashes. There is no tenable solution, and liberal policies projected to help minorities will continue to be adopted, and continue to fail. (Think affirmative action if you need an example)

Ultimately corporatism will tear are economy down. The color of your skin when it happens will be irrelevant.

 

[kp404]

I do see what you reference as a race issue, but as an economic issue.

To answer your first question, I think blacks have made tremendous strides and need to understand we havent caught up, because whites havent stood still. The distance we have closed though IMO is staggering, and I think we should consider it when complaining about how far we have to go.

In our current system i see everyone below the poverty line continuing to get screwed, and kept afloat by the state... until it crashes. There is no tenable solution, and liberal policies projected to help minoriries will continue to be adopted, and continue to fail. (Think affirmative action if you need an example)

Ultimately corporatism will tear are economy down. The color of your skin when it happens will be irrelevant.

Well sir, I owe you a sincere apologize for calling you a conservative. Very good and insightful answers. I agree with the majority of your post; When I speak of it as a race issue vs. class issue, I think they are intertwined; CLR james was the first to posit this theory that the class problems in America are directly linked to the race problems since an overwhelming majority of the black population fall into the working class/poor classes. Indeed, when the nation collapses, all races will be hurt, but the blacks will be disproportionately damaged is my argument. I'm, in full agreement with you that global corporatization and hegemony are rampant and the major cause of the problems of cities in America. My main objective is to develop strategies to remove the bricks that support capitalism and its corporate spread throughout the nation and world. What would you suggest from both a micro and macro level to be strategies to combat the problems? I think a major trend we must examine is politics and the voting bloc. Monopoly and hypersegregation have relegated the working class and black vote especially to the periphery. I have some ideas about fixing this, including setting budgetary limits for campaign fundraising, etc. What ideas do you posit?

 

[DEAD7]

How can you volunteer to be a slave to the state but not volunteer to be slave to labor?

I've never heard anyone claim that they were a slave to a certain corporation. Maybe they were being worked LIKE slaves but I've never heard the first statement. Maybe you have.

If the gov't is a slave to corporations what does that make the people that are slaves to the corporation? Slaves to ______? I'll let you fill in the blank because you might have a different answer than mine

The state doesnt ask, its 100% force, there is nothing voluntary about it, and I said i would agree if that was what you were saying. I dont believe anyone is a slave to a corporation including govt.


To take it a step further corporations aren't real

 

[DEAD7]

What would you suggest from both a micro and macro level to be strategies to combat the problems? I think a major trend we must examine is politics and the voting bloc. Monopoly and hypersegregation have relegated the working class and black vote especially to the periphery. I have some ideas about fixing this, including setting budgetary limits for campaign fundraising, etc. What ideas do you posit?

Not to oversimplify this complex issue, but.. we need to get the money out of politics. Plain and simple. We need to wrangle in the regulatory body, which is working for the very corporations we expect them to regulate, and explore other options

I don't really feel there is a way to approach this as a black issue, or from a "what can the black community do" position, and expect real results. But if thats what we are seeking to do, i'm going to echo the "education is the key" movement, cause it is.

 

[kp404]

Not to oversimplify this complex issue, but.. we need to get the money out of politics. Plain and simple. We need to wrangle in the regulatory body, which is working for the very corporations we expect them to regulate, and explore other options
I don't really feel there is a way to approach this as a black issue, or from a "what can the black community do" position, and expect real results. But if thats what we are seeking to do, i'm going to echo the "education is the key" movement, cause it is.

What would you call your political/government philosophy? Is there a particular body of literature that you refer to?

 

[DEAD7]

What would you call your political/government philosophy? Is there a particular body of literature that you refer to?

I'm Libertarian, and most of my views stem from the Non Aggression Principle. I'm pragmatic though and understand what is tenable, and what isnt. I also realize how racism exist outside of axioms...


If this was a convo about the free market i'm sure we would be in complete disagreeance

 

[kp404]

I'm Libertarian, and most of my views stem from the Non Aggression Principle. I'm pragmatic though and understand what is tenable, and what isnt. I also realize how racism exist outside of axioms...

If this was a convo about the free market i'm sure we would be in complete disagreeance

lol yes we would! but I feel your arguments and its good to discuss these issues with you; we will keep this up in the future but you definitely got some great insights;

 

[tmonster]

Yet you offer no counter argument or reasoning... Just liberal outrage...

Fortunately for you, liberal rage is all that is needed on HL.

you don't deserve it, ideas like that should be laughed at derisively :Sheldon:

, made fun of in the public square by decent people, they should never be offered a frank debate
and PS: in your delusion you've manage to mistake contempt for rage

 

[DEAD7]

you don't deserve it, ideas like that should be laughed at derisively, made fun in the public square by decent people, they should never be offered a frank debate
and PS: in your delusion you've manage to mistake contempt for rage

 

[NoMayo15]

 

[tmonster]

You ever notice how some creatures love to adopt or co-opt social Darwinism the instant they think they have or may get the social advantage from said adoption, to that end they will so much defecate on the social contract as much as they would completely deny its existence or integrity. The same creatures will also violate the rules of social competition using various excuses to hide what is essentially warfare sublimated as social warfare which is further sublimated as free-marketism, which all simply concretizes into a subversion, if not a cryptic destruction, of the social contract. Locke may have been a hypocrite but at least he particularized it, since he most likely followed the prevailing sentiment of the day, and thought that Africans were not human, but what is the excuse for the hypocrisy of these creatures today?

 

[DEAD7]

You ever notice how some creatures love to adopt or co-opt social Darwinism the instant they think they have or may get the social advantage from said adoption, to that end they will so much defecate on the social contract as much as they would completely deny its existence or integrity. The same creatures will also violate the rules of social competition using various excuses to hide what is essentially warfare sublimated as social warfare which is further sublimated as free-marketism, which all simply concretizes into a subversion, if not a cryptic destruction, of the social contract. Locke may have been a hypocrite but at least he particularized it, since he most likely followed the prevailing sentiment of the day, and thought that Africans were not human, but what is the excuse for the hypocrisy of these creatures?

Do I ever notice how people, behave like people? Yes, I have noticed that. and I dont think human nature, needs an "excuse"...

 

[tmonster]

Do I ever notice how people, behave like people? Yes, I have noticed that. and I dont think human nature, needs an "excuse"...

the irony of that statement in this thread

Simply sublime

 

[DEAD7]

the irony of that statement in this thread

Simply sublime

"There is no such thing as a "slave wage" as that is a direct violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction."
^This is the premise of the thread, explain the irony in that and human nature needing no excuse?
No rush, take your time.