Random NBA Observations 2019 - 2020

[2Quik4UHoes]

I think It might be a little too late to make it a team rivalry thing. The NBA is too star centric now especially with social media and fans being more in touch with their favorite players than ever.. one person is always going to mean more than the team itself..

team rivalries still matter, but player vs player still matters a bit more.

You could do both tho. It’s not like NBA stars wear masks or aren’t already super visible and accessible via social media. It’s just a matter of also putting more of a profile on the team as well.

During the Miami Big 3 we only heard about the superstars. We didn’t get to take into account how a real team culture was developed and made them a player fr. You only get this kinda coverage if it’s the Spurs, Warriors, Lakers, or Celtics. You gotta have insane amounts of team history for the NBA to also use that for promotion.

To me, it makes it lopsided. The player’s legacy is all that matters unless the team has a legacy. Instead of both star and franchise looking for glory/legacy building via championship runs. Only in certain circumstances is that narrative told more evenly.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

You could do both tho. It’s not like NBA stars wear masks or aren’t already super visible and accessible via social media. It’s just a matter of also putting more of a profile on the team as well.

During the Miami Big 3 we only heard about the superstars. We didn’t get to take into account how a real team culture was developed and made them a player fr. You only get this kinda coverage if it’s the Spurs, Warriors, Lakers, or Celtics. You gotta have insane amounts of team history for the NBA to also use that for promotion.

To me, it makes it lopsided. The player’s legacy is all that matters unless the team has a legacy. Instead of both star and franchise looking for glory/legacy building via championship runs. Only in certain circumstances is that narrative told more evenly.

I understand that but see here’s the thing. A lot of The teams people are even interested in to that level(Bulls, Knicks, Pistons) aren’t even good. Small market teams that actually have stars are always on the edge out of fear of losing them to bigger market teams(See Giannas) and going into irrelevancy. other legendary teams like the Spurs are going into reboot mode and teams with smaller fanbases(Nets. clippers) who aren’t even the most popular Teams in their own city, are expected to be contenders. How you going to start up a Clippers vs Nets rivalry when both teams probably got like 20 fans combined That kind of messes things up in regards to trying to make team rivalries a big thing. It’s always going to be lopsided in terms of star players vs the team and their culture itself..​

Lakers vs Boston would be good for historical purposes, but what about everybody else?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I understand that but see here’s the thing. A lot of The teams people are even interested in to that level(Bulls, Knicks, Pistons) aren’t even good. Small market teams that actually have stars are always on the edge out of fear of losing them to bigger market teams(See Giannas) and going into irrelevancy. other legendary teams like the Spurs are going into reboot mode and teams with smaller fanbases(Nets. clippers) who aren’t even the most popular Teams in their own city, are expected to be contenders. How you going to start up a Clippers vs Nets rivalry when both teams probably got like 20 fans combined That kind of messes things up in regards to trying to make team rivalries a big thing. It’s always going to be lopsided in terms of star players vs the team and their culture itself..​

Lakers vs Boston would be good for historical purposes, but what about everybody else?

The part about needing to restore the traditional East teams is true. Not much you can do other than give them more luck in the lottery. And even then, it takes a good front office and coaching staff to bring value to those things too.

But I’m a build it and they will come kinda person. You obviously can’t develop rivalries all willy nilly. You gotta start with obvious regional rivalries that are popular in other leagues. From there, if there’s any classic playoff bouts you can start to develop those a bit. Lakers and Spurs never had a rivalry until the 00s. Now they are hated enemies and it’s a promoted rivalry.

I think the NBA downplays history and legacy way too much. In comparison, the NFL celebrates theirs and I think that helps to make its product more meaningful because you know the overall legacy. NBA on NBC/CBS when you look back on their promotional packages, did a decent job of highlighting the superstar while also talking about the teams/history.

Either way, it’s a catch 22. Ain’t no Bron level stars out there so the NBA gon be short when he gone. It’s a perfect opportunity to do something a little bit different.

 

[pete clemenza]

I understand that but see here’s the thing. A lot of The teams people are even interested in to that level(Bulls, Knicks, Pistons) aren’t even good. Small market teams that actually have stars are always on the edge out of fear of losing them to bigger market teams(See Giannas) and going into irrelevancy. other legendary teams like the Spurs are going into reboot mode and teams with smaller fanbases(Nets. clippers) who aren’t even the most popular Teams in their own city, are expected to be contenders. How you going to start up a Clippers vs Nets rivalry when both teams probably got like 20 fans combined That kind of messes things up in regards to trying to make team rivalries a big thing. It’s always going to be lopsided in terms of star players vs the team and their culture itself..​

Lakers vs Boston would be good for historical purposes, but what about everybody else?

Stop with the slander... Yes Clippers and Nets are the #2 teams in their cities but with NY and LA metros over 20 million people those fanbases are still huge. Speaking personally, and I'm not sure about the Nets situation in NY, but outside of the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Warriors(if they win) legacy teams & fanbases the Clippers fanbase is right behind those teams on a 2nd tier mantle.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

The part about needing to restore the traditional East teams is true. Not much you can do other than give them more luck in the lottery. And even then, it takes a good front office and coaching staff to bring value to those things too.

But I’m a build it and they will come kinda person. You obviously can’t develop rivalries all willy nilly. You gotta start with obvious regional rivalries that popular in other leagues. From there, if there’s any classic playoff bouts you can start to develop those a bit. Lakers and Spurs never had a rivalry until the 00s. Now they are a hated enemy and it’s a promoted rivalry.

I think the NBA downplays history and legacy way too much. In comparison, the NFL celebrates theirs and I think that helps to make its product more meaningful because you know the overall legacy. NBA on NBC/CBS when you look back on their promotional packages, did a decent job of highlighting the superstar while also talking about the teams/history.

Either way, it’s a catch 22. Ain’t no Bron level stars out there so the NBA gon be short when he gone. It’s a perfect opportunity to do something a little bit different.

I agree with this. It would be important to build something up to, and when Lebron leaves and there’s no one person to rely on.

Stop with the slander... Yes Clippers and Nets are the #2 teams in their cities but with NY and LA metros over 20 million people those fanbases are still huge. Speaking personally, and I'm not sure about the Nets situation in NY, but outside of the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Warriors(if they win) legacy teams & fanbases the Clippers fanbase is right behind those teams on a 2nd tier mantle.

Bro I fukk with the nets and I’m from Brooklyn. Im telling you as a New Yorker, NY doesn’t care about the nets though that could change due to implants to the city, band wagoners etc. I’m just being realistic here. It’s not just that the Knicks are more popular, they go out of their way to shun the nets and the Clippers aren’t doing too well in that department in LA neither(I lived in LA as well). These teams are both contenders who are not in the same conference. If they ever end up meeting in the finals, considering they come from the two biggest markets. It would be a slow process. I’m not saying it can’t happen but team rivalries involves the city getting behind both. Im not too sure NY is ready to get behind the Nets and the Lakers are still contenders, so the Clippers don’t have that advantage neither.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Stop with the slander... Yes Clippers and Nets are the #2 teams in their cities but with NY and LA metros over 20 million people those fanbases are still huge. Speaking personally, and I'm not sure about the Nets situation in NY, but outside of the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Warriors(if they win) legacy teams & fanbases the Clippers fanbase is right behind those teams on a 2nd tier mantle.

Was he lyin tho?

Sike naw. You know I be clownin but Clips have done enough over these past several years to have a good sized fan base. Plus cross city rivalries in two of the biggest markets in the country is pretty big for the league. The Nets will obviously make a big splash in BK. If the Knicks can get their act right that’s four strong teams in NY and LA that can develop competitive and long lasting rivalries.

Where I think the NBA needs to really improve is in the quality of front office/coaching/ref guys. Make that a deeper talent pool so these bad teams have more access to quality staffing and so games are officiated better.

Edit: thinking on it now, Knicks/Nets could end up being a gentrifiers vs real New Yorkers kinda rivalry

 

[FTBS]

The part about needing to restore the traditional East teams is true. Not much you can do other than give them more luck in the lottery. And even then, it takes a good front office and coaching staff to bring value to those things too.

But I’m a build it and they will come kinda person. You obviously can’t develop rivalries all willy nilly. You gotta start with obvious regional rivalries that popular in other leagues. From there, if there’s any classic playoff bouts you can start to develop those a bit. Lakers and Spurs never had a rivalry until the 00s. Now they are a hated enemy and it’s a promoted rivalry.

I think the NBA downplays history and legacy way too much. In comparison, the NFL celebrates theirs and I think that helps to make its product more meaningful because you know the overall legacy. NBA on NBC/CBS when you look back on their promotional packages, did a decent job of highlighting the superstar while also talking about the teams/history.

Either way, it’s a catch 22. Ain’t no Bron level stars out there so the NBA gon be short when he gone. It’s a perfect opportunity to do something a little bit different.

I agree that they will have issues once Bron hangs them up. None of these young guys move the needle like that. However, there are certain things the NFL has that the NBA doesn't. For starters, there is culture/style. Regardless of who is out there, you know what you are getting from B-More. Steelers had the same identity for 50 years. NBA teams have to bend to their stars rather than having their stars conform to their style. Sure you have NBA teams with strong cultures, but it ain't nothing without the stars (see: SA now or MIA between Big 3 and Butler coming to town). Then you got stakes. Winning your division matters in the NFL. You actually get something for it. You may not even make the playoffs without it. Honestly, I think addressing the homogeneity should be the top priority. We are moving closer and closer to everyone playing like the Rockets. Remember, PHX was cutting edge and now their pace would be considered slow and everyone has a SF masquerading as a PF. The big man is being phased out. Dunkers are being pushed to develop the 3. Some people like big guys banging in the post. Some people like guys dunking on everyone. Some people like one on one artistry. Some people like defense being allowed on the perimeter. I may just be projecting my own preferences onto others but I think it would help .

 

[pete clemenza]

I agree with this. It would be important to build something up to, and when Lebron leaves and there’s no one person to rely on.


Bro I fukk with the nets and I’m from Brooklyn. Im telling you as a New Yorker, NY doesn’t care about the nets though that could change due to implants to the city, band wagoners etc. I’m just being realistic here. It’s not just that the Knicks are more popular, they go out of their way to shun the nets and the Clippers aren’t doing too well in that department in LA neither(I lived in LA as well). These teams are both contenders who are not in the same conference. If they ever end up meeting in the finals, considering they come from the two biggest markets. It would be a slow process. I’m not saying it can’t happen but team rivalries involves the city getting behind both. Im not too sure NY is ready to get behind the Nets and the Lakers are still contenders, so the Clippers don’t have that advantage neither.

I hear what you're saying and I mostly agree but the Clipps do incredibly well and has packed Staples since it was built. LA is a Lakers town and always will be imo but with the city being a NBA mecca, so much that the Kings were threatening to move here before they got funding for their new arena in Sac, the B team does insanely well out here. Lakers, still LA's #1 team, got a life vest thrown to them with Bron coming to LA and was resurrected all over again. The league didn't even show the Lakers vs Boston regular season games on national tv for years until Bron showed up. Meanwhile the league is eating off heavily off Lakers vs. Clipps and would probably dream of having that as its actual NBA Finals. We're not the A team in the city but the league and networks are eating off of us like its their last meal and we're more than just a lowlife squad that people try to make us out to be.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I agree that they will have issues once Bron hangs them up. None of these young guys move the needle like that. However, there are certain things the NFL has that the NBA doesn't. For starters, there is culture/style. Regardless of who is out there, you know what you are getting from B-More. Steelers had the same identity for 50 years. NBA teams have to bend to their stars rather than having their stars conform to their style. Sure you have NBA teams with strong cultures, but it ain't nothing without the stars (see: SA now or MIA between Big 3 and Butler coming to town). Then you got stakes. Winning your division matters in the NFL. You actually get something for it. You may not even make the playoffs without it. Honestly, I think addressing the homogeneity should be the top priority. We are moving closer and closer to everyone playing like the Rockets. Remember, PHX was cutting edge and now their pace would be considered slow and everyone has a SF masquerading as a PF. The big man is being phased out. Dunkers are being pushed to develop the 3. Some people like big guys banging in the post. Some people like guys dunking on everyone. Some people like one on one artistry. Some people like defense being allowed on the perimeter. I may just be projecting my own preferences onto others but I think it would help .

Breh, I be thinking a lot of the same things watching games. It’d be a dream if teams were married to a certain play style. NBA has that but it’s not as solidified. If teams like Detroit and Miami were defensive powerhouses like the Steelers and Ravens that’d be cool for the product.

Which brings me to the other point of a more heterogeneous league with regards to play style. This is another thing I think about often when I watch games. I can understand having a shooter or two just to have that in the arsenal but watching every team play as if they’re the Warriors or Rockets is an eye sore. Simple common sense basketball has been lost through all that 3 spamming. The irony of it all is it took the Warriors, whom have two of the best shooters ever, to win it all with that style. That should tell a lot of these teams that winning the old fashioned way is just as effective when you have the right ingredients.

I don’t know if it’ll happen, but I’d love to see a league like that again. Back then, teams like the Suns and We Believe Warriors were interesting in their uniqueness. This shyt now got me wishing Embiid, Joker, or Giannis would just become insanely dominant post players and restore some balance.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I hear what you're saying and I mostly agree but the Clipps do incredibly well and has packed Staples since it was built. LA is a Lakers town and always will be imo but with the city being a NBA mecca, so much that the Kings were threatening to move here before they got funding for their new arena in Sac, the B team does insanely well out here. Lakers, still LA's #1 team, got a life vest thrown to them with Bron coming to LA and was resurrected all over again. The league didn't even show the Lakers vs Boston regular season games on national tv for years until Bron showed up. Meanwhile the league is eating off heavily off Lakers vs. Clipps and would probably dream of having that as its actual NBA Finals. We're not the A team in the city but the league and networks are eating off of us like its their last meal and we're more than just a lowlife squad that people try to make us out to be.

Ehh this isn't entirely true. They weren't shown on TV when both teams were trash after Kobe tore his achilles & the Celtics traded KG/Pierce, but during the IT years those games were on national TV.

Breh, I be thinking a lot of the same things watching games. It’d be a dream if teams were married to a certain play style. NBA has that but it’s not as solidified. If teams like Detroit and Miami were defensive powerhouses like the Steelers and Ravens that’d be cool for the product.

Which brings me to the other point of a more heterogeneous league with regards to play style. This is another thing I think about often when I watch games. I can understand having a shooter or two just to have that in the arsenal but watching every team play as if they’re the Warriors or Rockets is an eye sore. Simple common sense basketball has been lost through all that 3 spamming. The irony of it all is it took the Warriors, whom have two of the best shooters ever, to win it all with that style. That should tell a lot of these teams that winning the old fashioned way is just as effective when you have the right ingredients.

I don’t know if it’ll happen, but I’d love to see a league like that again. Back then, teams like the Suns and We Believe Warriors were interesting in their uniqueness. This shyt now got me wishing Embiid, Joker, or Giannis would just become insanely dominant post players and restore some balance.

NBA is a copycat league. Teams like the D'Antoni Suns and the We Believe Warriors were fun to watch but the thing about is, they never won. Small-ball really became a trend when the Heat won a title starting Shane Battier at the 4, and then it went to another level when the Warriors won while giving Draymond key minutes at the 5. You look at the Grit N Grind Grizzlies, they had a different style from the rest of the league and they held on to it for as long as they could but their way didn't win championships, so now they adapted. The Ravens & Steelers style won championships.

If next season, Embiid goes on a Shaq like dominant run and the Sixers win a title, best believe there will be teams looking to find their own Embiid to mimic that. The small-ball obsession is no different from the "Next Jordan" obsession in the late 90s, early 2000s. People wanna do what the winners do, even if it's not an accurate representation.

Another thing people gotta keep in mind when comparing the team culture in the NBA to the NFL, is that the NFL also has a familial/legacy aspect to it. There's people that are 3rd or 4th generation fans of the Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, Giants, etc.. Meaning their father or grandfather, or in some cases even great-grandfather all cheered for those teams and passed it on to them. You could say the same for baseball too. The NBA doesn't really have that.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

NBA is a copycat league. Teams like the D'Antoni Suns and the We Believe Warriors were fun to watch but the thing about is, they never won. Small-ball really became a trend when the Heat won a title starting Shane Battier at the 4, and then it went to another level when the Warriors won while giving Draymond key minutes at the 5. You look at the Grit N Grind Grizzlies, they had a different style from the rest of the league and they held on to it for as long as they could but their way didn't win championships, so now they adapted. The Ravens & Steelers style won championships.

If next season, Embiid goes on a Shaq like dominant run and the Sixers win a title, best believe there will be teams looking to find their own Embiid to mimic that. The small-ball obsession is no different from the "Next Jordan" obsession in the late 90s, early 2000s. People wanna do what the winners do, even if it's not an accurate representation.

Another thing people gotta keep in mind when comparing the team culture in the NBA to the NFL, is that the NFL also has a familial/legacy aspect to it. There's people that are 3rd or 4th generation fans of the Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, Giants, etc.. Meaning their father or grandfather, or in some cases even great-grandfather all cheered for those teams and passed it on to them. You could say the same for baseball too. The NBA doesn't really have that.

Facts, and I think the copycat ways comes from a lack of good front office/coaching available for hire. It’s easier to copy off the most successful model than it is to come up with the next successful or as successful a model. At least it’s easier for executives that aren’t all that good. They gotta get results to keep their jobs so I understand. The teams that won however, are teams that either bucked the trend or stayed somewhat true to their culture. It’s the copycats that continue to be left behind or are unsuccessful.

Also, I think the NBA does have a similar generational fandom as the NFL and MLB but it’s not as widespread. Certainly there are generations of Lakers and Celtics fans. More recently there are probably generational Bulls and Pistons fans. Then of course you have regional phenomenons like Miami, Spurs, and the Knicks. Again, it’s there but the NBA doesn’t cultivate it enough. The NFL does a superb job of presenting and promoting its past, MLB of course is deep in tradition and heritage. NBA doesn’t celebrate and promote theirs enough. That can link those generational fans to the history of their teams and better pass it on to new fans. How it’s set up now, each generation just gotta find a superstar to stan and be lucky that they’re great enough to matter. Kinda sucks.

 

[Torrential]

NBA is a copycat league. Teams like the D'Antoni Suns and the We Believe Warriors were fun to watch but the thing about is, they never won. Small-ball really became a trend when the Heat won a title starting Shane Battier at the 4, and then it went to another level when the Warriors won while giving Draymond key minutes at the 5. You look at the Grit N Grind Grizzlies, they had a different style from the rest of the league and they held on to it for as long as they could but their way didn't win championships, so now they adapted. The Ravens & Steelers style won championships.

Facts

 

[Prynce]

Mm

 

[Collateral]

Dave Joerger failed in Sacramento, he failed in Memphis, and now he’s about to interview for the Pacers job?

Cac’s only fail upwards.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Yo wtf is Nate Duncan podcast sub only now?