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@Gil Scott-Heroin you've quoted my same post like 5 times now.:gucci:

You said Kyrie has been an average to above average defender over his entire career with no receipts other than "durr context". Likewise no rebuttal to the posts about his dreadful pick and roll defense and him having trouble staying in front of ballhandlers (inb4 stay in front of % from the Finals quotation).

I have no qualms with saying he's been excellent defensively this season. I have a problem with claiming he's been average or above his career, and that he's somehow absolved of any blame for the Cavs' defensive woes while he was there.
:dead: at @The Dankster dapping this.

@The Dankster accused YOU of saying that Kyrie was going to be all-defensive 1st-team this season (he clearly wasn't paying attention to what you were actually saying), and then he accused me of co-signing your statement that he was going to be all-defensive 1st-team. @The Dankster took what you said out of context, and then wrongly accused me of co-signing it.

That's why I quoted your post, just to show him where he went wrong. I wasn't trying to restart that argument we had.

:manny:

p.s. I never said he wasn't without blame for the Cavs' defensive woes, just that he shouldn't be solely blamed for them. That thread was trying to blame Kyrie for being the main reason why the Cavs defense was bad - which I was arguing against, because obviously, Kyrie didn't deserve to be solely blamed for the Cavs defensive issues. Understand?
 

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In the context of the argument, yes it is.

You're just making a fool of yourself. There isn't one poster on this board besides you who would say, "It's wrong for you to say that Tony Allen got hurt in Game 3, even though he got hurt in Game 3, because he aggravated a lingering injury and also got hurt later too."

And it's even dumber for you to say that it was wrong "in context", because the EXACT damn context was that he was hurt more in Games 4-6 than he was beforehand, which is EXACTLY what you just fukking admitted. :myman:



If you really meant he was affected by his hamstring injury (from the regular season) more in Games 4-6, than 1-3 you should've stated that, because that meant you would've agreed with my position. Instead you stated he got hurt in Game 3, which is wrong.

But that is EXACTLY what I said from the very first comment that started this never-ending ridiculousness. :dead:


In the 2015 Conference Semifinals, Memphis lost Mike Conley, arguably their most important player against the Warriors, for Game 1. Memphis got blown out, but when Conley came back they won games 2 and 3 even with Conley not at 100%. But then Tony Allen, their best perimeter defender, got hurt during Game 3 and had to either sit out or play limping the rest of the games of the series, and the Warriors won the next three games going away.
Details you got wrong in this part of your post:

Allen didn't get injured in G3 - he was injured in the third quarter of G4
iv) Allen was moving fine in the first half of G4 (no different to the first three games) .
The Grizzlies weren't beating them if Conley was completely healthy (before Allen was injured, their adjustment on defense made him a non-factor)

It is OBVIOUS to anyone reading that quote that whether I said, "Tony Allen got hurt in Game 3" or "Tony Allen re-aggravated an injury during Game 3 and again in Game 4", the message is the same. Tony Allen was affected by his injury more in the last three games of the series than he was during the first three. I've proven that clearly. I've also proven that it was in part due to him hurting it in Game 3, or at least that Tony Allen, his coach, and ESPN felt that way.

Your claim that Tony Allen didn't get hurt in Game 3 was wrong.
Your claim that early Game 4 when the Warriors made the adjustment was "before Allen was injured" was wrong.
Your claim that Allen was moving just as fine in Game 4 as he was earlier was wrong.

And I got receipts from three sources to prove that.

You. Were. Wrong. :sadbron:

Just eat an L once in your damn life instead of always trying to pretend your L's don't exist. :deadrose:



p.s. - here is Tony Allen "moving fine" in the 1st half of Game 4:


Doesn't even lunge at Curry on the drive, just stands there like Tony Allen NEVER does.
Pulls up limping and obviously injured on a fast break.
Pulls up limping and obviously injured on a fast break again, getting outrun by Draymond.
Steph going off for 21 in the first half

And that all happened "before he was injured" in your argument. :francis:

That's just grabbing off the highlight reel. How easy was that shyt? :lolbron:
 
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Seriously though can yall two just get an official thread at this point? Both of yall are literally taking up 75% of the page with these dissertations.
My bad. Someone just can't admit when he's wrong. This is gonna be my last post on the matter -

You're just making a fool of yourself. There isn't one poster on this board besides you who would say, "It's wrong for you to say that Tony Allen got hurt in Game 3, even though he got hurt in Game 3, because he aggravated a lingering injury and also got hurt later too."
It's wrong because you pointed out a specific game where he got hurt, failing to realize that he had been hurt even before that game. What I've been trying to reiterate to you is that, if you're going to bring up a specific game where he reaggravated it, you bring up a game where he hurt it and could no longer play on it.

What the hell is the point in saying he got hurt in Game 3? He got hurt Game 2 as well. He got hurt in Game 1. And he got hurt playing in the first round. He was playing hurt all throughout the playoffs.

Game 4 was the game where he got hurt, and could no longer play.

You were wrong, and that's all there is to it. End of discussion.

:manny:
 

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It's funny...when cleveland beat dallas two weeks ago,there were posters ragging on Lebron because the game was close.Boston beats dallas in a nailbiter,and those same posters are silent.
 

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It's wrong because you pointed out a specific game where he got hurt, failing to realize that he had been hurt even before that game. What I've been trying to reiterate to you is that, if you're going to bring up a specific game where he reaggravated it, you bring up a game where he hurt it and could no longer play on it.

What the hell is the point in saying he got hurt in Game 3? He got hurt Game 2 as well. He got hurt in Game 1. And he got hurt playing in the first round. He was playing hurt all throughout the playoffs.

Game 4 was the game where he got hurt, and could no longer play.

Because in Game 2 and Game 3, he was healthy enough to contribute to the Grizzlies beating the Warriors (11ppg on 54% shooting while playing shut-down defense on Curry and making plays all over the court), even though he wasn't 100%. That is a fact.

But he re-aggravated the injury in Game 3, as he, his coach, and ESPN all reported.

In Game 4, he was limping all over the place and ineffective, Game 5 he couldn't play, Game 6 he was useless. Shot only 3-12 for 6 points in the final three games combined while Curry went off for 33ppg against him.


And it was bullshyt that you tried to blame that on GS's defensive adjustments, because Tony Allen also had 11 steals and 2 blocks in Games 1-3 while holding Curry to 20ppg on 35% shooting. That is NOT the defense of someone who is limping too much to finish plays.

Couldn't do anything on defense after re-injuring it late in the 2nd half of Game 3 and Curry lit him up right away in the first half of Game 4, as the video showed.


You. Were. Wrong.

I got quotes from the team and reporters, I got video evidence, and I got stats.

Take your L and go home. :camby:
 
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It's funny...when cleveland beat dallas two weeks ago,there were posters ragging on Lebron because the game was close.Boston beats dallas in a nailbiter,and those same posters are silent.

And LeBron's stans were bowing at his feet when the Cavs barely beat the Knicks, yet the Celtics blew them out when they played them.

In other words, who gives a shyt :hhh:
 
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And it was bullshyt that you tried to blame that on GS's defensive adjustments, because Tony Allen also had 11 steals and 2 blocks in Games 1-3 while holding Curry to 20ppg on 35% shooting.
:merchant:

And this is EXACTLY why I know you don't know what the fukk you're not talking about, because you clearly weren't watching that series - you're getting nearly every single detail that you can't find in the box score or an article, wrong. Allen was primarily guarding Klay in those games, not Curry.

I'm done with your bullshyt.

:hubie:
 
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