Random NBA Observations 2017 - 2018

[Dayco23]

If a defense is real, the team typically is. They might not make it out of the East this year, but this is the Cavs last year going to the finals whether Lebron leaves or not. Sixers are going to be even more fearsome next year and Celtics with Hayward back+Tatum/Brown getting better are just going to wreck their shyt. Celtics biggest question mark going forward is how long will Horford keep up the elite defense as he's what's making it work so well right now.

Their offense is still underwhelming and not good enough yet, imo, to beat the Cavs, but they have a whole season to work on it.

 

[god shamgod]

They need to trade for a C and move him to PF, it's clear he's not a C by now.

Like robin lopez? t wolves can send the bulls that okc 1st and aldrich

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I posted an article that was titled Kyrie's defense key in Boston's win over the Spurs - ONE game (not the entire season), nevermind the fact that the title was just used to grab the viewer - it NEVER said in the actual article that Kyrie was the Celtics defensive anchor/main reason for their success on defense (Kyrie Irving's defense key for Boston Celtics in win over San Antonio Spurs)

You're did it again.

The full title of the article isn't "Kyrie Irving's defense key for Boston Celtics in win over San Antonio Spurs"

The full title in bold font was: "Kyrie Irving's defense key for Boston Celtics in win over San Antonio Spurs, early-season success"

It was not about "ONE game" like you claimed.

You getting exposed again...and again....and again...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You were incorrect when you claimed I was wrong. I NEVER denied that he also got hurt in Game 4, from the very beginning I acknowledged that, but I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the effects that started with the injury in Game 3. The Game 4 injury further solidified my point.

You been on this, "I can't be wrong!" bullshyt so long that you've forgotten what you were even arguing about.

You're so full of shyt. YOU'RE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. The effects of the injury started before the postseason even begun. He had been re-aggravating it all throughout the playoffs - not just in Game 3. But all throughout the playoffs. Bringing up him getting "hurt" in Game 3 is wrong because you could say he got hurt in nearly every game of the playoffs. This is what I keep trying to point out to you. He only actually got "hurt" in Game 4 of that GS series, to the point where he could no longer play.

 

[pete clemenza]

Embiid needs to chill. He gonna flop a tendon loose.

@pete clemenza what du think Blake did after losing again and playing like shyt?

Spoiler

We owe CP an apology

Blake just needs a pg that can create like Milos. He was sort of lookin' like a mvp candidate those first 5 games. Fire Doc, trade DJ for a 1st rounder, tank, draft 1 or 2 of these studs in next years draft and we could be in a better position this exact time next year. This could all be positive if you look at it differently

 

[Lakerman0834]

Blake just needs a pg that can create like Milos. He was sort of lookin' like a mvp candidate those first 5 games. Fire Doc, trade DJ for a 1st rounder, tank, draft 1 or 2 of these studs in next years draft and we could be in a better position this exact time next year. This could all be positive if you look at it differently

no one will take DJ hes a bum on max contract

 

[LV Koopa]

Melting down in multiple threads now

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're did it again.

The full title of the article isn't "Kyrie Irving's defense key for Boston Celtics in win over San Antonio Spurs"

The full title in bold font was: "Kyrie Irving's defense key for Boston Celtics in win over San Antonio Spurs, early-season success"

It was not about "ONE game" like you claimed.

You getting exposed again...and again....and again...

READ THE ARTICLE YOU IDIOT -

BOSTON -- You could see the exact moment Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving realized what San Antonio Spurs guard Patty Mills was going to do.

It was in the first half of the Celtics' win over the Spurs on Monday, and Mills was dribbling above the 3-point line. He brought the ball through his legs once -- left to right -- then tried to go into an in-and-out dribble.

Irving's eyes flicked downward instantaneously. The in-and-out dribble is a move Irving has perfected, so it made sense that he anticipated it, and in perfect sequence -- as Mills tried to bring the ball across his body and start his drive -- Irving planted himself and stuck out a hand. He deflected the dribble, Mills fumbled it, and Irving took off the other direction. A huge dribble pushed him out ahead of Mills, and he swung the ball around in transition to avoid the defender for the layup.


The play was indicative of Irving's early-season performance.

"He's playing both ends of the floor really well," Brad Stevens said. "When you're guarding all those high screens in the NBA, that's not easy. And he's doing a good job of knowing when to peel back and switch. He's doing a good job of chasing when he needs to chase, he stays in plays, he gets his hands on balls. He got a couple more balls tonight. I think we can continue to get better at finding him on offense and figuring what our spots are for him, but you can tell he's getting more comfortable every time he takes the floor."

The note about pick-and-roll defense is interesting. Irving has always been known as a defender who will die on screens, which hurts in a modern NBA where bigs often come well beyond the 3-point line to become an obstacle. Against the Spurs, the task was a little simpler -- San Antonio's starting guard is Dejounte Murray, whose effective field goal percentage is in the 14th percentile, per Cleaning The Glass. Against a poor shooter, Irving can simply slip under every screen and roam off the ball while recovering safely.

But Irving's rotations have been good, and as Stevens noted, the star guard has lightning quick hands -- a quality that may have been underrated when his defense was analyzed in Cleveland. But the biggest question about Irving's defense has always been less about whether he can and more about whether he will.

So far, he has. Irving credited Stevens for the improvements.

"(Stevens) does a great job of putting out a great game plan for us, and it's our job to perform at a very high level," Irving said. "He'll stay on us about it, and for me being at the top of the key handling most of those pick-and-rolls, and having guys come in and filter in and having to switch in groups, we just want to be able to utilize that on given possessions and consistently do it."

Meanwhile, Boston as a team continues to defend well, limiting an admittedly short-handed Spurs squad to just 94 points. Irving said the team is proving their prowess, although doing it on a nightly basis is key.

"We're proving it," Irving said. "We just have to consistently do it. That separates the good from the great teams. It's early in the season, but we have to consistently do it every day."

The same applies to Irving, of course, but the early returns have been encouraging for the Celtics.

"I think he's getting more comfortable, he's getting settled in, and you know it takes time to be where we want to be," Al Horford said. "But this was a huge step for us tonight."

SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY IN THE ARTICLE WHERE IT STATES KYRIE IS DRIVING THE SUCCESS OF THE CELTICS' DEFENSE - the very thing that YOU claimed I was co-signing.

This is what you said I claimed -

I don't see how you can watch these games and say, "Kyrie is driving the Celtics' success on defense".

Now not only have you switched it to an article that I posted, but the article doesn't state that Kyrie is driving the Celtics' success on defense, it's just a headline, if you actually read the article it's not saying that Kyrie is the main reason behind their success on defense, just how well he's been performing on that end.

And why did you purposefully cut this out of my post -

it was just a general view of how well he's been on defense (specifically in that Spurs game). I only posted that article to point out how good Kyrie's defense was up to that point, NEVER did I say that Kyrie was "driving the Celtics' success on defense". Never. Never. Never.

That article is clearly a general view of how well he had been on defense up to the point, specifically in the Spurs game.

READ THE ARTICLE.

And why didn't you acknowledge the other TWO points which you were WRONG about? Perhaps because you know you were wrong and didn't want to admit so?

 

[agpxknt]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're so full of shyt. YOU'RE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. The effects of the injury started before the postseason even begun. He had been re-aggravating it all throughout the playoffs - not just in Game 3. But all throughout the playoffs. Bringing up him getting "hurt" in Game 3 is wrong because you could say he got hurt in nearly every game of the playoffs. This is what I keep trying to point out to you. He only actually got "hurt" in Game 4 of that GS series, to the point where he could no longer play.

That's such a horrible argument you can't possibly believe it.

It was "wrong" of me to say he got hurt in Game 3?

So I guess it was "wrong" of ESPN to say the same thing?

ESPN: "Allen initially aggravated the left hamstring midway through the Grizzlies' win Saturday in Game 3"


So I guess it was wrong" of Coach Joerger to say the same thing?

Fox Sports: "Joerger says Allen re-aggravated the injury in Game 3"

NBA.com: "Coach Dave Joerger said Allen re-aggravated the injury in Game 3"


Notice that the first statement came AFTER Game 5, the other two came just before Game 5...meaning that even after Game 4 happened, it was still perfectly legitimate to state that Tony Allen got hurt in Game 3.


In fact, Tony Allen said himself before Game 4 that his hamstring was getting worse, therefore it is perfectly legitimate to say that he was affected more from the injury in Games 4-6 than he was in Games 1-3...which is all I was trying to prove the entire time.

ESPN: "Leading into Monday's loss, Allen told ESPN.com that his hamstring was a growing concern. "It's tough to still have to deal with this right now," Allen said."


I got THREE receipts that make the exact same claim that I made. Fall back. You lost. You just making yourself look worse.

 

[Gonetu]

Who would of thought that the best pro to emerge from that Wisconsin-Duke title game would be Frank Kaminsky

 

[pete clemenza]

It’s hella stupid even moreso because there are no games on Thanksgiving either and there are like 45 games tomorrow night. Just stupid planning all around.

It seems like there's been several questionable days this season already where they could have scheduled sh*t better...

It sucks that there's only one game tonight but I guess this is all about less back to backs and getting stars to play on the nationally televised games(when they start up) and whatnot. The thing is Tuesday night generally is a good NBA night

 

[pete clemenza]

no one will take DJ hes a bum on max contract

He's coming off the books/unrestricted free agent at the end of the season and one of these Eastern conference teams might need a quality big to try to get over the hump and make a push towards the Finals- Cleveland, Boston, Milwaukee, Washington

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That's such a horrible argument you can't possibly believe it.

It was "wrong" of me to say he got hurt in Game 3?

So I guess it was "wrong" of ESPN to say the same thing?

In the context of the argument, yes it is. Because he had been dealing with the injury all throughout the playoffs. The game where he got "hurt" to the point where he could no longer play was Game 4, not Game 3. He had been re-aggravating it all throughout the playoffs. What part of that do you not understand?

I got THREE receipts that make the exact same claim that I made. Fall back. You lost. You just making yourself look worse.

You've got receipts of him re-aggravating it in Game 3, there are multiple articles out there that say he'd be re-aggravating it all throughout the playoffs, because he had been dealing with the injury before the postseason began. He was getting treatment for it during games against the T'Blazers in the first round.

Here's some receipts for you -

After returning for Game 6 Friday night and having a very minimal impact in the opening half, Ramona Shelburne of ESPN passed along word that Allen would not return for the second half of the game.

Allen, 33, was limited to 16 minutes in Memphis' Game 4 101-84 loss after appearing to tweak his hamstring in the third quarter. He finished with four points and five rebounds. For the series, Allen is averaging nine points and 4.5 rebounds a game, including a 15-point performance in Game 1.

This is before the T'Blazers series -


If you're going to say he was "hurt" in Game 3 you might as well say he was hurt all throughout the playoffs. When you bring up a player actually getting hurt that has a lingering injury, it's usually in reference to them coming out of the game and staying out - that only happened in G4 of that series.

Tony Allen took to Twitter on Monday to give fans a video peek at how hard he’s working to return from a left hamstring strain.

However, the Grizzlies’ veteran swingman will sit out at least another week with the injury and his return to action before the playoffs begin seems questionable.

“I’m trying to do all I can do to get healthy,” Allen said Monday after missing the past four games. “If I was 100 percent I’d be playing. I feel bad that I can’t go out there. I feel like I’m energy. I’m a spark plug. My enthusiasm plays a role into us being successful. It hurts my heart not to be out there. I’m frustrated because the injury comes at a bad time because I felt like I was in a good rhythm. It’s a minor setback for major comeback.”

In fact, Tony Allen said himself before Game 4 that his hamstring was getting worse, therefore it is perfectly legitimate to say that he was affected more from the injury in Games 4-6 than he was in Games 1-3...which is all I was trying to prove the entire time.

ESPN: "Leading into Monday's loss, Allen told ESPN.com that his hamstring was a growing concern. "It's tough to still have to deal with this right now," Allen said."

This is why I know you don't know what the fukk you're talking about and weren't even paying attention to the Grizzlies that season. His hamstring was a growing concern all throughout the playoffs. I remember him actually injuring it in the regular season and the story behind him coming back. He didn't even know if he could actually play in the first round. I just posted an excerpt from an article that said "his return to action before the playoffs begin seems questionable."

If you really meant he was affected by his hamstring injury (from the regular season) more in Games 4-6, than 1-3 you should've stated that, because that meant you would've agreed with my position. Instead you stated he got hurt in Game 3, which is wrong.

 

[LV Koopa]

It sucks that there's only one game tonight but I guess this is all about less back to backs and getting stars to play on the nationally televised games(when they start up) and whatnot. The thing is Tuesday night generally is a good NBA night

New scheduling puts quirks like this out there.

As if the Lakers needed more exposure