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Still super young, they're only 20

I still have some faith in both players. I think if the Suns get a good coach they will start to show improvement.

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Chris Thompson at Deadspin has an excellent article on tanking and how the NBA "middle class" has effectively been wiped out in favor of either being ready to contend or avoiding the "treadmill".

His point is individual player stats and team wins are bloated from the sheer number of awful teams that are put on the floor with the goal of losing as much as possible.

Everybody is trying to get in on "The Process" and it's hurting the quality of basketball throughout the league.
 

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Chris Thompson at Deadspin has an excellent article on tanking and how the NBA "middle class" has effectively been wiped out in favor of either being ready to contend or avoiding the "treadmill".

His point is individual player stats and team wins are bloated from the sheer number of awful teams that are put on the floor with the goal of losing as much as possible.

Everybody is trying to get in on "The Process" and it's hurting the quality of basketball throughout the league.

We've been saying that on :hamster: and here for over 10 years

Rookie salaries are a huge problem

Philly has two all star level players who combined to make like 12 mil this year

With a properly managed cap and proven forward thinking free agents, imagine what could have been.....

Rookie deals are way too long. It's silly to NOT tank the way things are set up
 

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I have to strongly disagree outside of the owner of the suns everything about their situation is better.

Multiple draft picks over the next few years, the most talented star player between the 2 teams.

Booker>>>Schroeder
Josh jackson >>>> prince

The only advantage I give the hawks is Collins but that can easily be taken care of this offseason.

The BLUF is that in the NBA you win with stars and the potential of pairing Booker with Ayton/Bagley/Doncic Along with Jackson and still having trade assets to bring in more talent may be the way to go.


Hawks have a better team. Prince in the 2nd half out shined everyone on the Suns in during the season including Booker who's defense was nothing short of epic fail. Dennis is still much better than any PG they have. Bazemore is a solid two way guard. Collins is better than any bust they drafted at PF and at C, Dedmon clearly outperformed any PHX centers.

Not to mention, we have more draft picks then them in the next two drafts and the lottery could put us in 1st and them in 4th just as easily as them in 1st and us in 7th.

Warren has been maddeningly inconsistent and I've been two Suns games this season. Once in HOU and ATL. Chriss has been a bust, Collins is better. Bender has under performed but maybe he's one player that could benefit from a great player dev coach like Bud. Ulis, epic failure but he's a 2nd round pick. Not a big deal.

I don't see PHX as a better situation for this year as their record indicates or next year. This is simply granting them an interview with his hometown team. I prefer we didn't do that because it makes fans like yourself take unnecessary shots at my org who might just be doing Bud a favor to test the market and see if he sees anything he likes and could back to us with his take. Maybe this might be the last interview we grant. Granting an interview is not accepting an offer which Atlanta would also have to approve.
 

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We've been saying that on :hamster: and here for over 10 years

Rookie salaries are a huge problem

Philly has two all star level players who combined to make like 12 mil this year

With a properly managed cap and proven forward thinking free agents, imagine what could have been.....

Rookie deals are way too long. It's silly to NOT tank the way things are set up

If they want to fix it theyll have to either change the rookie wage scale (might not work cuz of the constantly increasing salary cap), or make the incentives for the Rose Rule more lenient. If rookies got paid faster youd have no choice but to play it straight for caps sake.
 

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If they want to fix it theyll have to either change the rookie wage scale (might not work cuz of the constantly increasing salary cap), or make the incentives for the Rose Rule more lenient. If rookies got paid faster youd have no choice but to play it straight for caps sake.

Changing rookie deals from 4 years to 3 gives teams a much shorter window to take advantage of the rookie scale deals
 

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The opening rounds of the West fukking suck outside the pels/blazers. I wish Minn would have landed the 7th seed. They could have troubled GS with no curry. But they had no chance against Hou. They can’t defend the three and have no one to stop Paul/Harden. Spurs shouldn’t be in the playoffs. Utah/Thunder will just be ugly. Meanwhile the east has great matchups outside Bos/Mil
 

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The opening rounds of the West fukking suck outside the pels/blazers. I wish Minn would have landed the 7th seed. They could have troubled GS with no curry. But they had no chance against Hou. They can’t defend the three and have no one to stop Paul/Harden. Spurs shouldn’t be in the playoffs. Utah/Thunder will just be ugly. Meanwhile the east has great matchups outside Bos/Mil

They have one of the best perimeter defenders in the league in Butler. They just need Wiggins to step up, and they need to slow the game down. I think in an elongated series they can make it more competitive than people think, because even i you don't traditionally defend the 3 well you learn how to stop leaving guys open.

Rockets in 6, and during the series I think Minnesota will show the blueprint to slowing them down.
 

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They have one of the best perimeter defenders in the league in Butler. They just need Wiggins to step up, and they need to slow the game down. I think in an elongated series they can make it more competitive than people think, because even i you don't traditionally defend the 3 well you learn how to stop leaving guys open.

Rockets in 6, and during the series I think Minnesota will show the blueprint to slowing them down.

IDK. They lost by an average of 16 during the regular series. That could change always as the playoffs are different. But Thibs antiquated defensive schemes just don’t give me hope. Corner threes will be there all day and Towns will get torches in the pnr. If Butler was healthy this would be more interesting. But he’s not and they have Tucker/Ariza to throw at him. Plus Butler will have to try to contain Harden on offense. Forgot about the benches too :mjlol:
 
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Chris Thompson at Deadspin has an excellent article on tanking and how the NBA "middle class" has effectively been wiped out in favor of either being ready to contend or avoiding the "treadmill".

His point is individual player stats and team wins are bloated from the sheer number of awful teams that are put on the floor with the goal of losing as much as possible.

Everybody is trying to get in on "The Process" and it's hurting the quality of basketball throughout the league.

This is kind of overstated I believe ... most owners don’t have the stomach to truly embrace intentional tanking .... this year there has been a lot of unforeseen major injuries that have bloated the amount of horrible teams .... squads like the Knicks and the Grizzlies would have been closer to hovering around .500 without major injuries to star players and teams like Brooklyn and Orlando were hit with big injuries too ... a lot of this stuff hasn’t really been what I would call intentional “tanking” like they 6ers did... these teams just saw that there was no purpose in trying to salvage lost seasons
 
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