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Felicio be lookin like hot garbage every time I've watched a Bulls game since he's been on the squad
 
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Recca Gatsby said:
Link?? What happened and what he saying
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He was going on and on whining about a call for five minutes . Grant Napear was getting sick of him bytching and the refs not giving him a tech. Finally the refs had enough after he went mad dog about something else and gave him the :camby:

Sideshow Bob has to be restrained by players before exiting :mjlol:

Napear was going in on him for ten minutes :russ:


Dude just gets excited when he comes to Sacramento, I guess :troll:
 
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Malta said:
It does make sense because I'm not operating under the premise that Embiid is going to get hurt, you want me to view it from your perspective when I've already told you where I'm standing. Do you think I'd make that post if I thought Giannis or Embiid would get hurt? I shouldn't have to put the "If Embiid/Giannis are healthy" qualifier every single time I post about either team.
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My mans, it's not really about them staying healthy, it's highlighting all that surrounds them, to show you that Boston has far greater stability and depth. If all you're working on is the notion that Philly/Milwaukee has the best player, and not taking into account everything else in the same measure, it's not an accurate projection how they'll fare in the future.
Malta said:
The higher end talent exists in Philly and Milwaukee, if they don't get hurt, they are going to put a rain on Boston's parade, better?
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Kyrie
Hayward
Jaylen
Tatum

is a better group of top-end talent than what both Philly and Milwaukee have.

When I said potential, I meant Philly and Milwaukee have a higher ceiling because they have a player who's better than anyone on the Celtics. But as you know, potential doesn't automatically mean results, because there's a higher probability that the Celtics are the ones who'll have more success in the long-term, than both Philly and the Bucks.
Malta said:
:mjlol: @ The asterik next to top end talent, again only 1 team has the generational player, matter of fact you said he'd be posting Hakeem numbers :mjgrin:
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I put an asterisk next to that because I wanted it to be separate to my point of " that's what long-term success is built on, and remains, regardless of what misfortune a franchise finds themselves dealing with." Even if the Celtics don't have that type of talent, their foundation/culture will still be there. As again, what do the 76ers have to fall back on in the future if there's no Embiid? We all know how the Celtics will look if they're dealt a similar bad hand.

Which is the exact reason why you can't say the 76ers will "rain on the parade" of the Celtics in the long-term when i) they haven't proven shyt yet ii) their setup is inferior to Boston's iii) they're reliant on more things having to go right.

Embiid is NOT that much of factor where he alone outweighs everything else that's in Boston's corner.
Malta said:
Again, Pop is a better coach than Donovan, the Spurs are a better run organization, etc etc, it didn't matter because the Thunder had the generational player in KD and ran the most basic of plays to win that series. We're 10 years in now of LeBron running the 1-4 flat PnR and making it to the finals and he won a title with a clueless coach & terrible ownership, Embiid on the block will be just as difficult to stop, and just as confusing because it will be such a simple play.
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This is a false equivalence for many reasons:

Celtics have more top-end talent than Philly (Spurs did NOT have more top-end talent than the Thunder)
Spurs won a title over that period because of their system and pedigree, the Thunder did NOT win a title despite having more talent
Spurs have had continued success for nearly two decades because of their system/coaching, the Thunder's run only lasted a 1/4th of that period - can you not see from this very fact that a system is the greatest indicator of long-term success because it remains regardless of its players?
Durant ended up leaving the Thunder for an organization that has a similar structure, team-orientated style of play to the Spurs
LeBron has been playing with more top-end talent than pretty much every single Eastern conf team over the last decade - we're seeing this season him losing that power because he doesn't have that talent/lineup advantage over the rest of the conference
LeBron left the Cavs in the first place because he couldn't get adequate support to beat teams in his conference who did have that support

And you can't work on previous results, and apply them here because end results aren't necessarily based on probability. Just because something happened, doesn't mean it had the highest chance of happening. Which is what I'm trying to relay to you. The Celtics have a higher probability of having long-term success, than both Philly and Milwaukee.
Malta said:
Fam, you literally did just that, the worst case scenario for the Sixers down to the Celtics getting the Lakers pick this year when the pick as of now is slated to go to the Sixers.
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That I did not.

I simply stated the upside/fortunes the Celtics had for the immediate future. There's a reason why whenever I mentioned Embiid's health, and him being out of the picture, I applied the same scenerio to the Celtics. Which really only furthers my points of, Philly needs more things to go right, than the Celtics do.
Malta said:
He does.

As long as he's healthy I would pick the Sixers moving forward, and until he's hurt I will keep operating under that premise.
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If that's who you wanna put your faith in, that's fine. Your faith still doesn't mean that Philly has a higher probability of having greater long-term success.
Malta said:
Where did I say anything about the worst case scenario falling on the Celtics? :wtf:
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Because you keep trying to frame their future as such.
Malta said:
I said you can't keep going on about Embiid's injury history and turn a blind eye to Kyrie's knee problems.
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Do we really need to go over this again after I've already reiterated that I've acknowledged Kyrie's injury-history?
Malta said:
I am operating under best case scenario for all 3 teams, you're trying to put words in my mouth for pointing out that it's all doom and gloom on your end talking about the Sixers. I've said very little about Fultz in this back and forth, because even without him they still have max space and could draft a wing this summer with the same pick you were attributing as a major plus to the Celtics.
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Again, operating under the best case scenario for all three teams is a bit disingenuous because their respective long-term success doesn't have the same odds, because Philly and Milwaukee need more things to go right, than the Celtics do. Because the Celtics are already knocking on the door of entering contender territory, with HOF-caliber coaching, a considerable amount of young talent, and a stable environment - Philly's lucky to be in the playoff picture, and are still unproven; the Bucks are struggling to keep above the surface of the playoff picture, just sacked their coach, and are too, unproven. If you were to provide all three teams with the same amount of fortune, then the Celtics would end up with a star big man on top of what they have as an equalizer.

But again, again, this is NOT what we're arguing about here. None of these teams is likely to have all things work out in their favor, which is why you must weigh up the realistic outcomes of all three. Who has the highest chance of being a contender in 3-4 years time out of those three teams? The Celtics, of course, because why? Because we have a detailed picture of how they look right now. Philly's and Milwaukee's futures are much more uncertain, because of how they look right now.

I really don't know many more ways I can reiterate this.
Malta said:
No, I never once suggested that, just corrected you for operating like the C's don't have their own injury concern in Kyrie's knee.
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How could you correct me when I already acknowledge the injury concerns around Kyrie?
Malta said:
Breh, you were operating under the idea that they were getting the LAL pick pretty much no matter what, it's why you put it in your first post as the LAL pick rather than the SAC pick, because as of today the LAL pick would be staying with the Sixers which would mean it shouldn't have been listed in that post.
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I was operating the idea that they were going to get that pick in this draft - yes. Because I was giving you an immediate outlook of their future, for a big man in this draft. I was NOT operating under the idea that they were going to get the pick no matter what in this draft. I was well aware of the protection and future ramifications if it didn't fall in their favor this season. You're doing a lot of juelzsantanagif'ng with minutiae to shift away from my point of that post.

Because it doesn't matter whether or not, if the pick goes to Philly or they get to keep it, the end result from that pick still leads them to potentially packaging it for a big man or drafting one.
 
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