Random NBA Observations 2016 - 2017

[Professor Emeritus]

@The Dankster

Kyrie was probably the best player in the game.... but oh wait, no! He had a -2 plus/minus! It doesn't matter he had a game-high 39 points with great efficiency. He obviously didn't play defense hard enough. He obviously didn't set his teammates up well enough. If he did these things, LeBron and Love could've easily replaced all his production. They need to trade him now!



I'll be getting at you in that other thread a lil later on too.

This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

I didn't see the game, but are you at least saying that even with the 39 and 2 statline, Kyrie still wasn't the best player in the game?

The Cavs literally didn't have a backup PG, had two key players out, they were wasted on an early game after a late flight/football party, and JR/Jefferson/Dunleavy combined to go 0-15 from three. I'm thinking it's an aberration.

Sergio Rodriguez going 12 and 7 on 5-9 shooting though.

 

[SadimirPutin]

Sixers have lost to the Cavs by a combined total of 5 points in the last 2 games I'll take it

them boys always get up for the Cavs

I'm thinking the sixers could win 20 games this year.......not sure how Ben Simmons is gonna look coming off that injury

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yeah, you're retarded.

I used your logic/reasoning in that post, so I guess you're really calling yourself that.

Yeah, you're retarded.

The Cavs literally didn't have a backup PG, had two key players out, they were wasted on an early game after a late flight/football party, and JR/Jefferson/Dunleavy combined to go 0-15 from three. It was an aberration of a game.

So what you're saying is teammates directly affect each other's plus/minus, and it's not all about what x-player doesn't do on the court if one or more players aren't pulling their weight?

Kyrie's defense against the Philly guards though.

I don't think his defense was too bad, he expelled a lot of energy on the offensive end. And don't you dare start blaming his defense with all the points (in and outside of the paint) the Philly wings/bigs had either.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

So many games lost late cause of poor execution. Ben come back

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Mudiay looks a lot better with this new lineup that's been starting lately.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I used your logic/reasoning in that post, so I guess you're really calling yourself that.

No, because I barely mentioned games in which most players had about the same +/-. I was speaking directly of games where there were large double-digit differences in the plus-minus, and how they were always in the same direction. And I only did it in the context of season-long trends. Any single game with small differences can be fluky...especially if one player was on the court most all the time due to shortened bench, as happened here.

So what you're saying is teammates directly affect each other's plus/minus, and it's not all about what x-player doesn't do on the court if one or more players aren't pulling their weight?

Yes, and that's why I went deep into detailing the full five-man lineups in which these things were happening.

I don't think his defense was too bad, he expelled a lot of energy on the offensive end. And don't you dare start blaming his defense with all the points (in and outside of the paint) the Philly wings/bigs had either.

The whole team was suffering after that tOSU game and late flight, and with a shortened lineup. But 12 and 7 on efficient shooting with just 2 turnovers in a competitive game might have been Sergio's best game all year.

p.s. - you want to see ugly, look at DBPM so far this year:

3.0 TT
2.6 Birdman
1.8 Lebron
1.7 Liggins
1.2 Shump
0.6 JR
-0.2 Jefferson
-0.6 Love
-0.6 Dunleavy
-1.2 Frye
-1.6 Felder
-2.4 McRae
-2.5 Kyrie
-7.6 James Jones

Now I know DBPM has its problems, but take out Kyrie for a second...isn't that just about exactly what you would have expected if you were ranking the players defensively?

 

[Malta]

I'm OG Embiid set.

But I'm Tristan's father.

:mjlion:

 

[Magic Johnson]

76ers Nation: Great effort against the @cavs! This group has a very promising future, with Joel Embiid at the "center" of the squad!

 

[Dushane Hill]

Vintage JR Smith going 0 for 11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No, because I barely mentioned games in which most players had about the same +/-. I was speaking directly of games where there were large double-digit differences in the plus-minus, and how they were always in the same direction. And I only did it in the context of season-long trends.

Go and look at the games you referenced in the last post that I quoted of yours. You were also pushing that 'Kyrie's lack of defense and playmaking' is responsible for his +/- nonsense too.

Yes, and that's why I went deep into detailing the full five-man lineups in which these things were happening.

You went surface digging, without any real context as to what was happening during those games with those lineups v opposition. Just some weak ass argument about what Kyrie wasn't doing as causation.

The whole team was suffering after that tOSU game and late flight, and with a shortened lineup. But 12 and 7 on efficient shooting might have been Sergio's best game all year.

See this is your problem, and again where you get yourself into trouble. You can't just quote points/assists from the opposing PG and put that down to Kyrie's lack of defense. Not only is it absent of which player was actually defending Sergio on his made FG, how he got his assists/against whom and how did they score, but you ruin your own argument when players like Okafor (14 points on 7-11), Stauskas (11 points on 4-6), Embiid (22 points on 8-18) and Ilyasova (13 points on 5-10 shooting) put up relatively the same general production.

p.s. - you want to see ugly, look at DBPM so far this year:

3.0 TT
2.6 Birdman
1.8 Lebron
1.7 Liggins
1.2 Shump
0.6 JR
-0.2 Jefferson
-0.6 Love
-0.6 Dunleavy
-1.2 Frye
-1.6 Felder
-2.4 McRae
-2.5 Kyrie
-7.6 James Jones

Now I know DBPM has its problems, but take out Kyrie for a second...isn't that just about exactly what you would have expected if you were ranking the players defensively?

DBPM doesn't just have its problems, it is a problem, Regardless of whether or not that's where the players rank defensively (which is not a correct rank might I add), you can't tie your argument to a stat which is the very definition of basketball quackery.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

A lil bickering going on out there between Devin Booker & Bledsoe.

Book hit a 3 & a 15 ft J on back to bac possessions.

Suns still the ball, Booker's wide open in the corner for a 3, but Bledsoe passes the ball to bum azz PJ Tucker who misses the lay up.

On the way back down the court, Book screams something at Bledsoe.....Bledsoe looking...huffing and puffing on the bench.


It's about time Booker spoke up.I notice Bledsoe & Knight hardly ever looks for him out there.They love passing to Alex Len and PJ Tucker.

I think Tucker got these niccaz punked.He debo'ing the ball out there

 

[Kd35brah]

DBPM is a boxscore stat.

Terrible to use to evaluate someone's defense.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Supposedly Booker & Bledsoe had a "animated" conversation during the timeout.

Bledsoe telling Booker "Just shoot the ball"


Well pass it to him, muthafukka

 

[ISO]

at Convington throwing up some B.S. and missing a lay on a break because LeBron was running hard behind him

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Suns had momentum going into the 4th, but then they put Brandon Knight in

He takes the first 4 shots of the quarter.....1-4 and the Nuggets build the lead back up to 11