Random NBA Observations 2015 - 2016

[VegetasHairline]

Yet again this is gonna be an overhyped squad who won't win shyt win it matters.
Get Dribble Dribble and this band of fukk boys outta here.
I can't wait to see Boogie Cousins shyt on this frontcourt again.

 

[SchoolboyC]

The Grizzlies are done. They'll still have a good record and will still make the playoffs I'm sure but they won't do anything once they're there. They've peaked with this Gasol/Conley/Randolph/Allen core and will be treadmilling for the foreseeable future.

And Conley is good but he's not a franchise player

 

[AkaDemiK]

You talkin fantasy?

yessir....me n my nikkas been doing nfl/bball for bout 3 years straight now

 

[trick]

I'm so excited for pre-season to begin brehs

 

[daboywonder2002]

I'm sitting here thinking. Hasaan Whiteside went from out of the nba to now about to get a max contract. If not a max deal, damn near close. Has this ever happened before? MIke vick went from prison to a 100 million contract. Anyone else?

 

[Brozay]

The Grizzlies are done. They'll still have a good record and will still make the playoffs I'm sure but they won't do anything once they're there. They've peaked with this Gasol/Conley/Randolph/Allen core and will be treadmilling for the foreseeable future.

And Conley is good but he's not a franchise player

What are they done with though? They are what they always have been

 

[LezJepzin]

Three Kings

 

[SchoolboyC]

What are they done with though? They are what they always have been

Done as in they've peaked, aren't a real threat, most likely going on the treadmill

 

[jaguar paw]

Three members of the Kings

Fixed

 

[FAH1223]

 

[holidayinn21]

Conley is not a franchise player and the PG position is overrated.
Should of sign and traded Marc; traded everyone of value and proceeded to tank. But fukk it, enjoy your treadmill team

He plays in one of the worst systems in the league, with two slow, non 3-point shooting bigs, with his starting wings being tony allen, courtney lee, jeff green, tayshaun prince, and potentially matt barnes. He's elite, about 5th or 6th in the PG rankings, he just doesn't have the benefits those other guards have.

Gasol was never going anywhere. Him coming back is not the issue. Keeping z-bo and tony allen around because of politics is what's gonna lead the eventual downfall of this team.

 

[thelonious21]

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[Consumed]

Outside of last year rondo has had better seasons than collision every single year of his career.

6 out of 8/9 seasons rondo has shot at or above the league avg for mid range fg%. He is especially potent at the elbow. When I said lead the league in steals I am not talking at the end of the season... He at some point every year is in the top 4 for steals per game.

What u are judging off is perception and last year. Exclude last year completely. Rondo is more sensitive to driving after his acl tear but that's expected. He's not the first or last player to do this this.

None of his supossed defiencies have harmed any team of his in the playoffs. Only the opposite. A lot of fans have short term memory so I don't blame you.

A lot of it perception and that can confuse ppl... Similar to how kobe will get hate on for his last season fg%... When it was an anomaly in his almost 20 year career. And completely forget how dominant he was the year when he was last healthy in 13'. Short term memory.

See thats my point. You're completely ignoring Rondo's terrible season as if it never happened, and assuming he'll return to a previous level of play despite age and injuries working against him. What sense does that make. Last year was by far the most complete campaign he's had since 2012 and should be what you take most into consideration. It doesn't matter if Rondo was above league average in wide open mid range jumpshots in the past, we're having a discussion about the present where he was absolute dogshyt and an inferior player to Collison who adds more value on the floor than he does. Even with your oddly specific criteria for Rondo being top 4 in steals per game every year in an attempt to make him look special (and I won't even acknowledge the "at some point" BS) he hasn't been that since 2011 and it bears pointing out that steals are not and will never be the measure of a players defensive acumen. Effort, positioning, discipline, consistency are more important and Rondo hasn't put those together in a very long time, too long for you to be bringing it up in an actual discussion or to be referencing him among the actual best perimeter defenders in the game.

I like how you switched the qualifier to postseason play as most Rondo stans tend to do, but then ignored his garbage performance against Houston in the first round of this season as if it never happened. That the Mavericks were a better team without him (You say he's a bad fit now, but I saw no Rondo fan say that shyt when he got traded. "He's surrounded by shooters!!!111 P&R with Dirk!!!1111), and the Celtics finished the year strong without him as well. Brought up 2012 as if hasn't missed more games than he's played since then and won't be four years into the past by the time the '16 postseason begins.

Its not just because of the ACL tear that Rondo was afraid to drive, he was a historically bad free throw shooter last season and did not want to get sent to the line. Its a problem if your primary ball handler, the man initiating your offense, has a basketball phobia. Don't cape for him, its a real flaw in his game that contributes to him being a lesser player than Darren Collison who is unafraid of contact and finishes more effectively while also being a top mid range shooter (not just on wide open shots with defenders sagged off him like Rondo), reliable from behind the arc and will bring consistent defensive effort. You haven't really given me any basketball reasoning as to why Rondo is better than Collison nor have you addressed his fit with Rudy Gay & Cousins two players who will (and should) often take the ball out of his hands in order to create leaving the ball dominant Rondo ineffective, and I've given you my reasoning in explicit detail, so we'll just be going in circles unless you present more to this debate.

Your final tidbit about Kobe sums it all up, he's coming off back to back season ending injuries and is 37 years old. Age and regression are real things that you aren't taking into consideration here. Look at how he performed last season and tell me you think he looks anything remotely close to the form he flashed in '13 or his prime. You aren't paying attention if you think he's the same player. Two years is not short term memory in this game, its what have you done for me lately not in the past. I've got big respect for Kobe's game and I doubt he'll play anywhere close to his lofty standards in '15 because my expectations are realistic and not influenced by past nostalgia. You're the one with a flawed perspective here.

 

[42 Monks]

See thats my point. You're completely ignoring Rondo's terrible season as if it never happened, and assuming he'll return to a previous level of play despite age and injuries working against him. What sense does that make. Last year was by far the most complete campaign he's had since 2012 and should be what you take most into consideration. It doesn't matter if Rondo was above league average in wide open mid range jumpshots in the past, we're having a discussion about the present where he was absolute dogshyt and an inferior player to Collison who adds more value on the floor than he does. Even with your oddly specific criteria for Rondo being top 4 in steals per game every year in an attempt to make him look special (and I won't even acknowledge the "at some point" BS) he hasn't been that since 2011 and it bears pointing out that steals are not and will never be the measure of a players defensive acumen. Effort, positioning, discipline, consistency are more important and Rondo hasn't put those together in a very long time, too long for you to be bringing it up in an actual discussion or to be referencing him among the actual best perimeter defenders in the game.

I like how you switched the qualifier to postseason play as most Rondo stans tend to do, but then ignored his garbage performance against Houston in the first round of this season as if it never happened. That the Mavericks were a better team without him (You say he's a bad fit now, but I saw no Rondo fan say that shyt when he got traded. "He's surrounded by shooters!!!111 P&R with Dirk!!!1111), and the Celtics finished the year strong without him as well. Brought up 2012 as if hasn't missed more games than he's played since then and won't be four years into the past by the time the '16 postseason begins.

Its not just because of the ACL tear that Rondo was afraid to drive, he was a historically bad free throw shooter last season and did not want to get sent to the line. Its a problem if your primary ball handler, the man initiating your offense, has a basketball phobia. Don't cape for him, its a real flaw in his game that contributes to him being a lesser player than Darren Collison who is unafraid of contact and finishes more effectively while also being a top mid range shooter (not just on wide open shots with defenders sagged off him like Rondo), reliable from behind the arc and will bring consistent defensive effort. You haven't really given me any basketball reasoning as to why Rondo is better than Collison nor have you addressed his fit with Rudy Gay & Cousins two players who will (and should) often take the ball out of his hands in order to create leaving the ball dominant Rondo ineffective, and I've given you my reasoning in explicit detail, so we'll just be going in circles unless you present more to this debate.

Your final tidbit about Kobe sums it all up, he's coming off back to back season ending injuries and is 37 years old. Age and regression are real things that you aren't taking into consideration here. Look at how he performed last season and tell me you think he looks anything remotely close to the form he flashed in '13 or his prime. You aren't paying attention if you think he's the same player. Two years is not short term memory in this game, its what have you done for me lately not in the past. I've got big respect for Kobe's game and I doubt he'll play anywhere close to his lofty standards in '15 because my expectations are realistic and not influenced by past nostalgia. You're the one with a flawed perspective here.

breh stop

anyone who thinks Rondo is an asset to a winning basketball team doesn't know shyt about the game. take this dap and rep and keep it moving

 

[The War Report]

Three Kings

Three headcases* :henrylaff: