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david lee? and i am not sure about the order too.. but if david has such a good defense, he should be in rotation.. defense always keeps players in rotation, its the ultimate +/- changer... strange.
This is why context must shadow these surface defensive stats - DFG% isn't the best indicator of one's defensive abilities by itself. Keep in mind it's the differential FG% of the players they're guarding - if you're guarding good/great low-percentage scorers mostly (Harden, Lillard, PG, Kemba, Gallinari, IT etc etc) and they go off, while you're guarding them - your DFG% is going to look bad.

The difference between the normal field goal percentage of a shooter throughout the season and the field goal percentage when the defensive player is guarding the shooter
 

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This is why context must shadow these surface defensive stats - DFG% isn't the best indicator of one's defensive abilities by itself. Keep in mind it's the differential FG% of the players they're guarding - if you're guarding good/great low-percentage scorers mostly (Harden, Lillard, PG, Kemba, Gallinari, IT etc etc) and they go off, while you're guarding them - your DFG% is going to look bad.

yeah that make total sense but that wouldnt take him out of the rotation again....
keeping a volume scorer in low Percentage means your doing your job.. him all of a sudden shooting 50%+ would be trouble to you..

what i saw is that he has 0 laterals and fouls instead of giving up the shot but his own offensive is pretty good.
 
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yeah that make total sense but that wouldnt take him out of the rotation again....
keeping a volume scorer in low Percentage means your doing your job.. him all of a sudden shooting 50%+ would be trouble to you.
Conversely, if you hold a 41% shooter to 42% it's going to have negative effect on your differential DFG% - if you typically guard those type of players. Despite you probably doing a good job on defense. I mean we all know that Harden, PG, Galinari have the ability to catch fire despite having a low FG%. For Lee in the 15 minutes he's on the court he's matched up against bigs on the second unit who might shoot 50+% on the small amount of shots they take, and if they miss one or two while being 'defended' by him (I use that term loosely - because the more capable defenders around Lee may force his opposite into taking a tough shot while being guarded by him), it's going to boost Lee's differential. Lee isn't out there guarding AD, Bosh or Milsap. He's guarding players like Henson, Scott and Powell who aren't great offensive players who shoot high percentages on low volume.

Lee isn't a good defender, period. Put him in the starting lineup and the Celtics' (who have the #2 ranked defense) defense would drop right outta the top 10.
 

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Conversely, if you hold a 41% shooter to 42% it's going to have negative effect on your differential DFG% - if you typically guard these type of players. Despite you probably doing a good job on defense. For Lee in the 15 minutes he's on the court he's matched up against bigs on the second unit who might shoot 50+% on the small amount of shots they take, and if they miss one or two while being 'defended' by him (I use that term loosely - because the more capable defenders around Lee may force his opposite into taking a tough shot while being guarded by him), it's going to boost Lee's differential. Lee isn't out there guarding AD, Bosh or Milsap. He's guarding players like Henson, Scott and Powell who aren't great offensive players who shoot high percentages on low volume.

Lee isn't a good defender, period. Put him in the starting lineup and the Celtics' (who have the #2 ranked defense) defense would drop right outta the top 10.
i get that but him having a good % differential keeps him in the rotation..i think the loop hole is the fouls.. maybe the fouls shot arent counted cuz they are FT and the DFG% shows him doing good while his +/- has him as a minus monster
 

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George Karl and Vlade spoke recently and he's believed to remain Kings coach for now. Lol this coach talking about playing with effort at this point in the season though.

I think Karl expects his reputation as HC to precede him but that shyt don't fly in 2016. Not without standup vets on the team. I don't believe Karl has the energy or fire to inspire his team.

I don't like Karl but at this point I don't know which other coach can lead this team, besides Malone.
 
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i get that but him having a good % differential keeps him in the rotation..i think the loop hole is the fouls.. maybe the fouls shot arent counted cuz they are FT and the DFG% shows him doing good while his +/- has him as a minus monster
It doesn't. There's many loop holes in it, which is why you must provide context. It doesn't take into account the defensive scheme (Stevens might put him in a position which cover up his weaknesses - which limits the 1v1 situations he's put in), it doesn't take into account players stopping the shooter from actually taking a shot, it doesn't take into account offensive players wanting to take shots against players they know who can't defend and just simply missing, it doesn't take into account players chucking up shots late in the shot clock, it doesn't take into account how the players outside the primary defender influence the shot.

That by itself isn't good enough to keep a player in the rotation.
 

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Conversely, if you hold a 41% shooter to 42% it's going to have negative effect on your differential DFG% - if you typically guard those type of players. Despite you probably doing a good job on defense. I mean we all know that Harden, PG, Galinari have the ability to catch fire despite having a low FG%. For Lee in the 15 minutes he's on the court he's matched up against bigs on the second unit who might shoot 50+% on the small amount of shots they take, and if they miss one or two while being 'defended' by him (I use that term loosely - because the more capable defenders around Lee may force his opposite into taking a tough shot while being guarded by him), it's going to boost Lee's differential. Lee isn't out there guarding AD, Bosh or Milsap. He's guarding players like Henson, Scott and Powell who aren't great offensive players who shoot high percentages on low volume.

Lee isn't a good defender, period. Put him in the starting lineup and the Celtics' (who have the #2 ranked defense) defense would drop right outta the top 10.
I really don't know what the best defensive stats are. To add on to your point, a team like the Celtics may throw more help David Lee's way knowing he's a bad defender. That would have the affect of helping David Lee's rating while killing the guy who's providing the help for Lee. Defense is such a domino affect type thing it's hard to truly encompass how good of a defender anyone is through numbers unless it's the elite guys who are generally allowed to just take on someone one on one.
 

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When I charted points allowed per possession a few years back, bench players usually look better plus players with good help defense obv look better.
It is interesting that LeBron is number 1 this year in defensive stats. The Cavs have him rest on weaker players at times, especially when Shumpert is in the game and he doesnt rotate a second time if his man beats him. Spends time in no man's land. With that said his defense this year has been excellent
 

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:dahell: Kyrie is the better player.

This is my personal opinion as a Cavs fan. Id rather Bron, Lue, TT, and JR not attend all star weekend to be back in the gym and work on the things they've been trying to change.

All Star weekend is pointless for them and what they are trying to do at the end of the season.

Kyrie is already saying he'll be in the weight room/gym getting his legs under him so he can get his 3 ball back to where it normally is.
 

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:wow: @ this from the ESPN Power Rankings:

ESPN said:
April 10, 2014. That's the last time Golden State squandered a 15-point lead. The Warriors are up to 97-0 since in such situations, turning back OKC after the Thunder erased a 20-point deficit. The Dubs have likewise won their past 54 regular-season games in which they led after three quarters, which is the longest such streak since Utah won 67 in a row from November 1997 to March 1999.

NBA Power Rankings: Warriors right at home at No. 1

:takedat:
 

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This is why context must shadow these surface defensive stats - DFG% isn't the best indicator of one's defensive abilities by itself. Keep in mind it's the differential FG% of the players they're guarding - if you're guarding good/great low-percentage scorers mostly (Harden, Lillard, PG, Kemba, Gallinari, IT etc etc) and they go off, while you're guarding them - your DFG% is going to look bad.


does also account if you're actually on them and not drifted away? Lebron's defense certainly has not been that great this year except when he's actually on his man and forcing with a contest.
 
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