Random NBA Observations 2014 - 2015

[FreshFromATL]

When I say superstars I'm referring to guys like KD, Kobe, LeBron, you know, MVP players/candidates. I'm sure you know what I meant

shut the fukk up man

 

[CarltonJunior]

so you mean the most popular players basically spurs got 3 hall of famers on their roster and a fringe superstar with kawhi, who gives a fukk about who sells the most shoes or jerseys

and kobe kd lebron ain't winning shyt this year, so who better to do it

No, what I mean is that in general, teams like this Hawks team tend to lose to teams that have dominant players. I see them putting on a good fight but losing to a team that has one.

You mad because I don't think this Hawks team is a lock for the title?

 

[Big Boss]

 

[#1 pick]

Oh absolutely no doubt. That's not even arguable.

But what the lack in shooting range, they make up for it in driving ability, keeping the defense on the back foot, passing/playmaking and defense. Which aren't exactly Lillard's strongest attributes.

Plus Lowry does so much shyt for the Raptors, that a box score couldn't even begin to reflect his impact.

If you're talking about clutch ability, you can add Irving and Paul to that group - as both of them have been the best in the league in that regard for the last three seasons. And just a notch below you have Lowry, Wall and Conley, who have had success carrying their team late-in-games this season too.

You right about Lowry and you still the homie but you need to throw Kyrie in the bushes.

 

[Regular_P]

Oh absolutely no doubt. That's not even arguable.

But what the lack in shooting range, they make up for it in driving ability, keeping the defense on the back foot, passing/playmaking and defense. Which aren't exactly Lillard's strongest attributes.

Plus Lowry does so much shyt for the Raptors, that a box score couldn't even begin to reflect his impact.

If you're talking about clutch ability, you can add Irving and Paul to that group - as both of them have been the best in the league in that regard for the last three seasons. And just a notch below you have Lowry, Wall and Conley, who have had success carrying their team late-in-games this season too.

I mean that gear where a three point lead becomes 12 in 1:05 or he starts raining shots from all over the court. A 15 point deficit becomes four in a couple minutes. That kinda stuff.

I'm not gonna argue too hard if you think Lowry is better; I just prefer Lillard and think he has a little more to offer with his game. Lowry is a beast and I agree he does stuff that doesn't show up in the box score.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

 

[charmander]

No, what I mean is that in general, teams like this Hawks team tend to lose to teams that have dominant players. I see them putting on a good fight but losing to a team that has one.

You mad because I don't think this Hawks team is a lock for the title?

no one said anything about a title lock, even tho it's looking very possible we make it to the finals as long as we stay healthy

you said that the hawks don't have the talent to beat teams with superstar household MVP names, and that simply isn't true as we have been proving all season

 

[CarltonJunior]

no one said anything about a title lock, even tho it's looking very possible we make it to the finals as long as we stay healthy

you said that the hawks don't have the talent to beat teams with superstar household MVP names, and that simply isn't true as we have been proving all season

I said I don't THINK they do.

I respect the Hawks grind but that's what I think. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You right about Lowry and you still the homie but you need to throw Kyrie in the bushes.

Over the first 17 games he was second-best performing PG in the league, with one of the highest offensive ratings - equal with Anthony Davis. He hit bit of a wall and has dealt with injuries ever since.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Rondo facilitating well

He had an awful game and nearly cost Dallas a win.

2 points on 1 out of 13 attempts (7% shooting) and missed two free throws at the end of the game which basically could have won the Mavs the game in regulation, then he was bailed out in overtime by his team mates.

 

[blackestofpanthers]

He had an awful game and nearly cost Dallas a win.

2 points on 1 out of 13 attempts (7% shooting) and missed two free throws at the end of the game which basically could have won the Mavs the game in regulation, then he was bailed out in overtime by his team mates.

Typical rondo

 

[jaydolf spitler]

He had an awful game and nearly cost Dallas a win.

2 points on 1 out of 13 attempts (7% shooting) and missed two free throws at the end of the game which basically could have won the Mavs the game in regulation, then he was bailed out in overtime by his team mates.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

 

[Bilz]

I don't know when this became a buzz phrase, but more often than not it's used outta context. Nobody really makes their team mates better. Players that are depicted as making their team better, usually have the personnel to win games to suit their style of play. And when that team fails to get over a hurdle, the 'player that makes his team mates better' usually doesn't get the blame even if they're the ones at fault.

Nobody really talks about Parker being a player that just puts up numbers, has great one on one ability and doesn't make his team mates better, do they?

I think the closest player in the league to actually making their team better in any sort of resemblance is probably Stephen Curry- but even you have to hide him on defense. And Kevin Durant.





One of the very few point guards whose rebounding numbers actually reflected his impact.

I'm not even talking about making individual teammates better. I'm talking about whether a team is better if he's on it. The best game I've seen him play as a pro was an all-star game. Most of the time I watch him, I see a guy who scores points but doesn't dominate or even control a game.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm not even talking about making individual teammates better. I'm talking about whether a team is better if he's on it. The best game I've seen him play as a pro was an all-star game. Most of the time I watch him, I see a guy who scores points but doesn't dominate or even control a game.

That's mostly because he's only 22 and has been on a lottery team with minimal talent ever since he's been in the league. Just about every other PG in the same position would be looked at the same - just a player that puts up 'empty stats' on a losing team. However he's been one of the best closers since he was drafted -

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerCl...&sortOrder=DES&Season=2011-12&PerMode=PerGame

2011/2012 - Irving was #6 in the league at 3.7 points per game at 54 FG%, putting it next to the rest of the top clutch scorers:

#1 Durant - 39%
#2 Johnson - 45%
#3 Westbrook - 42%
#4 Paul - 42%
#5 Carmelo - 37%
#7 Terry - 49%
#8 Bryant - 36%
#9 LeBron - 45%
#10 Bargnani - 40%

Nobody in the top 10 came close to the efficiency that Kyrie showed in the clutch in 11/12. Go on and marinate on that for a minute.

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerCl...&sortOrder=DES&Season=2012-13&PerMode=PerGame

2012/2013 - Irving #3 in the league at 4.1 points per game at 46 FG%, putting it next to the rest of the top clutch scorers:

#1 Paul - 49%
#2 Durant - 39%
#4 Bryant - 42%
#5 James - 44%
#6 Parker - 47%
#7 Monta - 41%
#8 Harden - 40%
#9 Pierce - 34%
#10 Garnett - 41%

#40 Lillard - 2.2 points per game @ 41%

CP3 was the only one that had a higher PPC + % and Parker had a higher FG% by only 1 percent but scored a near full point less in the clutch.

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerCl...&sortOrder=DES&Season=2013-14&PerMode=PerGame

2013/2014 -

#1 Irving - 4.7 points at 37%
#2 Harden - 4.6 points at 40%
#3 Paul - 3.7 points at 40%
#4 Curry - 3.7 points at 40%
#5 MCW - 3.6 points at 47%
#6 Wall - 3.6 points at 38%
#7 Turner - 3.5 points at 41%
#8 Lillard - 3.4 points at 46%
#9 LeBron - 3.3 points at 38%
#10 Durant - 3.2 points at 26%

Now let's take a look at their best seasons in relation to: points and percentage -

Lillard - 3.4 points per game at 46.3% (13/14 season)
Irving - 3.7 points per game at 54% (11/12 season) or 4.1 points per game at 46.7% (12/13 season)

Now how the hell are you out here claiming that what Lillard has done this season is not only better than what Irving has shown throughout his career, but on this level that Irving isn't capable of producing when Kyrie has had TWO seasons of averaging not only more POINTS but also at a better PERCENTAGE?