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Cool, so we're still hotdogging shyt when we don't know how to program or autoregulate.
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What you mean tho?.... I was follwing the template i got off liftvault. Those ones don't got any deload weeks. I was doing one every 4th week before and it felt about right. That 82% in the 4th week is where I was doing a deload. But the template didn't have a deload. I'm guessing that's where it will end up falling again......What I get wrong Sage if the Iron??? :sadbron:
 

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What you mean tho?.... I was follwing the template i got off liftvault. Those ones don't got any deload weeks. I was doing one every 4th week before and it felt about right. That 82% in the 4th week is where I was doing a deload. But the template didn't have a deload. I'm guessing that's where it will end up falling again......What I get wrong Sage if the Iron??? :sadbron:

Who told you to deload every four weeks? :stopitslime: Why do you think these templates don't deload? :snoop:
(Hint: Wendler's protocols have changed, but people don't be reading his books.)


Who told you to use those percentages? :stopitslime: Those templates are based on % of 1RM, not TM. :ufdup:
 
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Who told you to deload every four weeks? :stopitslime: Why do you think these templates don't deload? :snoop:
(Hint: Wendler's protocols have changed, but people don't be reading his books.)


Who told you to use those percentages? :stopitslime: Those templates are based on % of 1RM, not TM. :ufdup:

I thought TM and % of 1 RM were the same thing........ :ohhh:

As it stands I don't have any deloads put in it.

I used the percentages based on the ones from the 6 days a week (13 week) template. I actually went more conservative than what the explicit template said. For the first 4 weeks on the Friday tab it went at 82.5%/82.5%/ 86.5%/85%. Whereas I went 80/80/85/82.5.

For the record I'm talking about the main lifts on the strength days.

edit: Just did some reading on 1 RM vs TM. Looks like I got some 1 RM calculations to do this week........
 
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I thought TM and % of 1 RM were the same thing........ :ohhh:

As it stands I don't have any deloads put in it.

I used the percentages based on the ones from the 6 days a week (13 week) template. I actually went more conservative than what the explicit template said. For the first 4 weeks on the Friday tab it went at 82.5%/82.5%/ 86.5%/85%. Whereas I went 80/80/85/82.5.

For the record I'm talking about the main lifts on the strength days.

That is incorrect sir. :beli:

TM is an arbitrary limit designed to allow you to continuously lift submaximal loads without hitting actual 1RMs.

A 1RM is the highest amount you can lift once before reaching technical and/or neuromuscular failure.

TM is based on a percentage anywhere from 80 to 90% of your e1RM... Wendler doesn't have folks testing their true 1RMs like that.
 
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That is incorrect sir. :beli:

TM is an arbitrary limit designed to allow you to continuously lift submaximal loads without hitting actual 1RMs.

A 1RM is the highest amount you can lift once before reaching technical and/or neuromuscular failure.

TM is based on a percentage anywhere from 80 to 90% of your e1RM... Wendler doesn't have folks testing their true 1RMs like that.

Yea after you memtioned it, I went and did some reading (view the edit to my post). I'm definitely goimg to have to be estimating it this week on the lifts I do cause I ain't trying to get crushed under any bar. So if I get my esitmated 1 RM this week, I should use those and calculate my lifts to be done in the 80-90% range right?

The Whey is an artform..... from just learning technique, to learning how to recruit the right muscles, to gettimg the right neuromuscular stimulation, to engaging proper fast twitch for growth, to the sculpting. I grossly underappreciated The Practice.

I'm ready to learn The Wheys...


 

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Yea after you memtioned it, I went and did some reading (view the edit to my post). I'm definitely goimg to have to be estimating it this week on the lifts I do cause I ain't trying to get crushed under any bar. So if I get my esitmated 1 RM this week, I should use those and calculate my lifts to be done in the 80-90% range right?

The Whey is an artform..... from just learning technique, to learning how to recruit the right muscles, to gettimg the right neuromuscular stimulation, to engaging proper fast twitch for growth, to the sculpting. I grossly underappreciated The Practice.

I'm ready to learn The Wheys...




Since you don't know your 1RMs and you're using a %age-based program, you're gonna have to eyeball it to some degree. :francis:


This is exactly why programs designed for rookies don't have so much math involved, because you'd be moving heavier weights with better form sooner on a "novice program" - you have fewer exercises to learn, more time to practice those fewer lifts, and the math couldn't be simpler: add X amount to the bar if you hit all your reps. Aim small, miss small.



The Whey is not an artform actually, it's a pseudoscience that you hyoomons simply don't fully understand. BBing is about aesthetics but much like The Matrix, it is a system that is still based on rules. PLing is even less than an artform compared to bodybuilding.


Assuming you had infinite (or near infinite) chakra, you'd progress much more appreciably on a less nuanced progression program. When are you planning on adding weight on PHUL? What is your progression scheme based on? Are you progressing slower than linearly and if so, why? I'd ask you why you're driving under the speed limit as well since that's what this program will actually have you do.
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Adding on or slashing 2.5% off a lift with an (arbitrary) value of 300 pounds is 7.5 #. If you're only benching 225 that 2.5% is about 5 and a half pounds. Somebody moving five or six hunduns is adding or dropping twice that amount. It's a lot easier to add a nickel than it is to add a dime to a barbell lift. Again, aim small, miss small.


(I also sincerely hope you're not running the 13 week version which is just a poorly-designed b*stardized version of Push/Pull/Legs that inexplicably combines PPL with full-body S/B/D work and has almost nothing to do with the principles behind PHUL itself. :usure:)
 
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That is incorrect sir. :beli:

TM is an arbitrary limit designed to allow you to continuously lift submaximal loads without hitting actual 1RMs.

A 1RM is the highest amount you can lift once before reaching technical and/or neuromuscular failure.

TM is based on a percentage anywhere from 80 to 90% of your e1RM... Wendler doesn't have folks testing their true 1RMs like that.

Yea after you memtioned it, I went and did some reading (view the edit to my post). I'm definitely goimg to have to be estimating it this week on the lifts I do cause I ain't trying to get crushed under any bar. So if I get my esitmated 1 RM this week, I should use those and calculate my lifts to be done in the 80-90% range right?

The Whey is an artform..... from just learning technique, to learning how to recruit the right muscles, to gettimg the right neuromuscular stimulation, to engaging proper fast twitch for growth, to the sculpting. I grossly underappreciated The Practice.

I'm ready to learn The Wheys...
Since you don't know your 1RMs and you're using a %age-based program, you're gonna have to eyeball it to some degree. :francis:


This is exactly why programs designed for rookies don't have so much math involved, because you'd be moving heavier weights with better form sooner on a "novice program" - you have fewer exercises to learn, more time to practice those fewer lifts, and the math couldn't be simpler: add X amount to the bar if you hit all your reps. Aim small, miss small.



The Whey is not an artform actually, it's a pseudoscience that you hyoomons simply don't fully understand. BBing is about aesthetics but much like The Matrix, it is a system that is still based on rules. PLing is even less than an artform compared to bodybuilding.


Assuming you had infinite (or near infinite) chakra, you'd progress much more appreciably on a less nuanced progression program. When are you planning on adding weight on PHUL? What is your progression scheme based on? Are you progressing slower than linearly and if so, why? I'd ask you why you're driving under the speed limit as well since that's what this program will actually have you do.
:huhldup:




Adding on or slashing 2.5% off a lift with an (arbitrary) value of 300 pounds is 7.5 #. If you're only benching 225 that 2.5% is about 5 and a half pounds. Somebody moving five or six hunduns is adding or dropping twice that amount. It's a lot easier to add a nickel than it is to add a dime to a barbell lift. Again, aim small, miss small.


(I also sincerely hope you're not running the 13 week version which is just a poorly-designed b*stardized version of Push/Pull/Legs that inexplicably combines PPL with full-body S/B/D work and has almost nothing to do with the principles behind PHUL itself. :usure:)

I wasn't going to be running the 13 week... no chance...:whoa:....but from how you framed those questions on progression percentages, it seems that at this moment I shouldn't concern myself with the minute percentage increases. The percentage progressin methods are only advantageous when I'm nearing those levels of high weights and struggling to get those few extra pounds.

You see the programs that are on liftvault. What's your take on what I should run considering the main goal is strength, but I do want some hypertrophy too?

I got a math background so I be loving the technical and intricate, but clearly I'm over complicating it for myself at this stage and need to learn it more over time.

We ain't trying to drive under the speed limit, we trying to fly my G :Irvin
 

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I wasn't going to be running the 13 week... no chance...:whoa:....but from how you framed those questions on progression percentages, it seems that at this moment I shouldn't concern myself with the minute percentage increases. The percentage progressin methods are only advantageous when I'm nearing those levels of high weights and struggling to get those few extra pounds.

You see the programs that are on liftvault. What's your take on what I should run considering the main goal is strength, but I do want some hypertrophy too?

I got a math background so I be loving the technical and intricate, but clearly I'm over complicating it for myself at this stage and need to learn it more over time.

We ain't trying to drive under the speed limit, we trying to fly my G :banderas:

Basically. That is to say, when you can't progress simply by adding weight to the bar anymore.

Those methods are not advantageous: they require more thought/planning, take longer and are more susceptible to user error. But eventually you get to the point where you have to move to different forms of progression.
:francis:


My take on what you should run if your main goal is strength?
If you're squat, bench, and dead 1RMs are less than 800 pounds as a man, you're weak, and you're not intermediate or advanced. There's nothing wrong with that unless you've been at it for a while or have delusions of grandeur.


Forget about liftvault, forget about percentages, forget all that. Run either SL 5x5, ICF 5x5, or Fierce 5 novice routine until you stall all the way out.

But most folks want to overcomplicate lifting before they need to and end up cruising in the left lane going slower than the flow of traffic.
 
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Basically. That is to say, when you can't progress simply by adding weight to the bar anymore.

Those methods are not advantageous: they require more thought/planning, take longer and are more susceptible to user error. But eventually you get to the point where you have to move to different forms of progression.
:francis:


My take on what you should run if your main goal is strength?
If you're squat, bench, and dead 1RMs are less than 800 pounds as a man, you're weak, and you're not intermediate or advanced. There's nothing wrong with that unless you've been at it for a while or have delusions of grandeur.


Forget about liftvault, forget about percentages, forget all that. Run either SL 5x5, ICF 5x5, or Fierce 5 novice routine until you stall all the way out.

But most folks want to overcomplicate lifting before they need to and end up cruising in the left lane going slower than the flow of traffic.

One of those three it is then. Run with it til the wheels fall off..... and in the interim, build the knowledge base for when the transition to other methods is necessary and I'll be ready to pivot.

Thanks for the explanations and time taken.
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Hmm haven’t tested by 1RM, but I’m doing well over 800 on the big three during my working sessions. DLs being my heaviest lift although I need to load up my squat some more.
If you're squat, bench, and dead 1RMs are less than 800 pounds as a man…
 
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