Rabbi Botches Bris, Cuts Off Penis

[TLOL is back]

He never quits

Neither do you.

 

[Robbie3000]

 

[The Real]

If a Rabbi has done over a hundred circumcisions with a 100% success rate and has an excellent reputation I might assume he would be better than a doctor.

Either way, I would be very interested to see data comparing doctors and rabbis. Doctors botch circumcisions too and they get no flack for it.

I see what you're saying, but either a doctor's office or a hospital is a whole context, not just an individual. They have more people, more resources, more tech, etc. For me, at least, that outweighs.

 

[the cac mamba]

"Parents tell their 12 year old kid a rabbi botched his circumcision Kid kills them"

Future Coli thread.

fixed

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

aggghhh!!!!

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Oh, the medical community has declared that male circumcisions are actually beneficial, btw.......

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/health/circumcision-policy/

The AAP (American Association of Pediatricians) also says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks, but the decision should be made by the parents (not the Gov't.) to have the procedure done or not, and it is not a requirement. It shouldn't be 'routine'.​

 

[The Real]

Oh, the medical community has declared that male circumcisions are actually beneficial, btw.......

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/health/circumcision-policy/

The AAP (American Association of Pediatricians) also says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks, but the decision should be made by the parents (not the Gov't.) to have the procedure done or not, and it is not a requirement. It shouldn't be 'routine'.​

It's important to note, though, that of Western nations, only American doctors say this. Most other pediatric associations in the world actually disagree that the benefits outweigh the costs or risks. It's a complicated issue with a lot of politics/religion involved. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc's medical associations are not in favor of it (though they don't all necessarily want to ban it or anything... most still believe it should be a choice.)

It's also important to note that the statement you linked presents a step back- their earlier position was to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure, but that new report changed it so that they don't recommend it anymore, even if they still hold that the benefits outweigh the risks.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

It's important to note, though, that of Western nations, only American doctors say this. Most other pediatric associations in the world actually disagree that the benefits outweigh the costs or risks. It's a complicated issue with a lot of politics/religion involved. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc's medical associations are not in favor of it (though they don't all necessarily want to ban it or anything... most still believe it should be a choice.)

Plus, nobody wants to acknowledge that their dikk is 'incorrect'

 

[Type Username Here]

It's important to note, though, that of Western nations, only American doctors say this. Most other pediatric associations in the world actually disagree that the benefits outweigh the costs or risks. It's a complicated issue with a lot of politics/religion involved. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc's medical associations are not in favor of it (though they don't all necessarily want to ban it or anything... most still believe it should be a choice.)

It's also important to note that the statement you linked presents a step back- their earlier position was to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure, but that new report changed it so that they don't recommend it anymore.

Pretty much. He also ignores the multitude of American studies showing adverse side effects and so on. They also ignore the fact that a circumcision can be done as an adult, under a person's OWN consent.

But anyway, that's for another thread. I think even we that are against circumcision knows the difference between a medical procedure done in a medical and sanitary setting as opposed to a cult leader touching a child's genitals, mutilating it, and sometimes sucking the blood of the infant's penis because a man supposedly made a covenant with a god in the desert thousands of years ago. Two entirely different worlds.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

It's important to note, though, that of Western nations, only American doctors say this. Most other pediatric associations in the world actually disagree that the benefits outweigh the costs or risks. It's a complicated issue with a lot of politics/religion involved. Canada, the UK, France, Germany, etc's medical associations are not in favor of it (though they don't all necessarily want to ban it or anything... most still believe it should be a choice.)

I really don't care what other nations or 'religions' think about it. What is important is what I think about it in regards to my offspring's health. Having the most up-to-date information about the procedure helps make the decision. I don't think the procedure is harmful if performed by a trained physician in a proper environment and, as far as I'm concerned, the data and my personal experience is enough to convince me of its benefits.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Pretty much. He also ignores the multitude of American studies showing adverse side effects and so on. They also ignore the fact that a circumcision can be done as an adult, under a person's OWN consent.

I didn't ignore anything, but felt no need to re-post the studies/evidence I linked the last time you posted something about this.

Tired of repeating myself. If you don't want your children to undergo the procedure, knock yourself out. That is your right. My right is to have the procedure performed if I want it done.

You've failed to convince me that it is in any way harmful.​

 

[The Real]

I really don't care what other nations or 'religions' think about it. What is important is what I think about it in regards to my offspring's health. Having the most up-to-date information about the procedure helps make the decision. I don't think the procedure is harmful if performed by a trained physician in a proper environment and, as far as I'm concerned, the data and my personal experience is enough to convince me of its benefits.​

That's fine. I was just adding context to your statement, because the way you posted the AAP's position was an appeal to authority, and I wanted to clarify that it was misleading to suggest that that particular authority represented a majority opinion on the matter in developed nations.

I have no interest in trying to convince any individual to get or not get circumcised. My main political stance on the matter is the same as the AAP's- I don't think it should be banned or anything, but I also don't think it should be a de facto, routine procedure recommended by any official institutions. I also don't necessarily think parents should be able to decide to have their kids circumcised outside of the context of medical problems. I'd prefer if people got to make the decisions themselves.

 

[MVike28]

If a Rabbi has done over a hundred circumcisions with a 100% success rate and has an excellent reputation I might assume he would be better than a doctor.

Either way, I would be very interested to see data comparing doctors and rabbis. Doctors botch circumcisions too and they get no flack for it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[OneManGang]

That's fine. I was just adding context to your statement, because the way you posted the AAP's position was an appeal to authority, and I wanted to clarify that it was misleading to suggest that that particular authority represented a majority opinion on the matter in developed nations.

I have no interest in trying to convince any individual to get or not get circumcised. My main political stance on the matter is the same as the AAP's- I don't think it should be banned or anything, but I also don't think it should be a de facto, routine procedure recommended by any official institutions. I also don't necessarily think parents should be able to decide to have their kids circumcised outside of the context of medical problems. I'd prefer if people got to make the decisions themselves.

*shows data from reputable medical communities of other countries to give some sort of added perspective*

*gets told "I dont care"*

 

[Type Username Here]

*shows data from reputable medical communities of other countries to give some sort of added perspective*

*gets told "I dont care"*