Quick who’s the better player Himmothy G buckets or drakeson Tatum

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Tatum is a top 10 player in the league. Butler is not.

Tatum's best season shyts on Butler's.

Tatum has two all NBA 1st team awards. Butler has none.

Tatum finished 4th in MVP voting this season. Butler's highest finish is 10th.

He's better. Your avi or recency bias is blinding you.

This is all incorrect except the 1st team and MVP voting. Tatum has a lot of years to play before he matches Jimmy's best seasons. Tatum accumulates numbers as a function of the Celts pace and his usg, but advanced stats don't love him nearly as much as the media and voters do. Jimmy had a top 5 season this year by advanced stats but missed a bunch of games so that was held against him. Not to mention Tatum has never and will never be the defender Jimmy is.
 

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I’m not taking any of this seriously when Jimmy has straight up stated he does not give one single fukk about the regular season.

He actively limits his attempts in an effort to get other players comfortable and in rhythm for the playoffs.

Playoff Jimmy is the real Jimmy and the Jimmy I’m discussing.

when Jimmy has straight up stated he does not give one single fukk about the regular season.

If you actually believe him then cool. My question is, isn't that a problem for you as a Heat fan? Y'all didn't even make the playoffs outright and lost your first game in the play-in. I'd be questioning why my star player who is apparently the best player in the world lets us get to that stage :yeshrug:


Playoff Jimmy is the real Jimmy and the Jimmy I’m discussing.

That wasn't the question though :heh:
 

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This is all incorrect except the 1st team and MVP voting. Tatum has a lot of years to play before he matches Jimmy's best seasons. Tatum accumulates numbers as a function of the Celts pace and his usg, but advanced stats don't love him nearly as much as the media and voters do. Jimmy had a top 5 season this year by advanced stats but missed a bunch of games so that was held against him. Not to mention Tatum has never and will never be the defender Jimmy is.

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Embiid, KD, Luka, Tatum, LeBron, Lillard, Kawhi are better.

Even if you wanna put him in there over Tatum, he isn't better than AD, Kyrie, Harden or even Ja.

He's just a monster in the playoffs cause he works harder than anyone and wants it more. That shyt goes a long way, especially against sorry ass losers like a lot of these Celtics players.
 

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If you actually believe him then cool. My question is, isn't that a problem for you as a Heat fan? Y'all didn't even make the playoffs outright and lost your first game in the play-in. I'd be questioning why my star player who is apparently the best player in the world lets us get to that stage :yeshrug:




That wasn't the question though :heh:

It’s frustrating but being the 1 seed last year didn’t really change much. We know we can a 3-4 seed but the regular season is a marathon.

Jimmy turns up after AS Break and looked like a top player but our role players weren’t hitting shots so we looked worse than we actually were.

But there’s a method to the madness and when I see Bam making reads, taking open shots, and playing with confidence then it all takes shape. Jimmy and Spo use the regular season to get our less experienced players experience in their playoff roles.

Jimmy is just a low ego did and started as a role player. He knows those dudes need rhythm, trust, and reps to be ready in the playoffs. And now we’re seeing Miami’s execution looking top tier with role players who know their roles and look comfortable.
 

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Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Embiid, KD, Luka, Tatum, LeBron, Lillard, Kawhi are better.

Even if you wanna put him in there over Tatum, he isn't better than AD, Kyrie, Harden or even Ja.

He's just a monster in the playoffs cause he works harder than anyone and wants it more. That shyt goes a long way, especially against sorry ass losers like a lot of these Celtics players.
That's just a retarded post. I see you're totally unserious.
 

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That's just a retarded post. I see you're totally unserious.

Tell me which of those players he's better than.

The retarded part is thinking that like 15 playoff games count for more than entire seasons or years worth of basketball.
 

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Tell me which of those players he's better than.

The retarded part is thinking that like 15 playoff games count for more than entire seasons or years worth of basketball.

Figure out what you're arguing first. The question the thread posed was Jimmy vs. Tatum. Jimmy had the better regular season by advanced statistical measures, he just missed a bunch of games. The playoffs just compound the clear difference between their impact on winning. As far as career, Jimmy has had the better career too.

Let me walk you through what happened next. I said he arguably had a top 5 season by advanced measures. This season. You dropped a list of players with a bunch of names who had nowhere near as good a season. Now you're talking about several seasons and careers. Figure out what you're arguing and then make a coherent argument with some facts attached and I might consider dismantling it. But at this point I'm more likely to let you stew in your own stupidity.
 

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Tell me which of those players he's better than.

The retarded part is thinking that like 15 playoff games count for more than entire seasons or years worth of basketball.

Because we need to use context when judging players.

-Beating up trash NBA teams is different then beating NBA contenders and can skew counting numbers. How players perform CONSISTENTLY IN THE PLAYOFFS is how they should be judged. Harden will look great when he’s beating the Orlando Magic or the Rockets on Feb.

-Spo and the Heat system drastically limit their pace and possesions due to the nature of our system. We play slow place, by design, because Spo uses the RS to try weird line ups and tighten up execution. Just like the Spurs, we limit individual production by design.

I think the true worth of the elite basketball players is shown in how they play against the other top teams in the NBA.
 

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Figure out what you're arguing first. The question the thread posed was Jimmy vs. Tatum. Jimmy had the better regular season by advanced statistical measures, he just missed a bunch of games. The playoffs just compound the clear difference between their impact on winning. As far as career, Jimmy has had the better career too.

Let me walk you through what happened next. I said he arguably had a top 5 season by advanced measures. This season. You dropped a list of players with a bunch of names who had nowhere near as good a season. Now you're talking about several seasons and careers. Figure out what you're arguing and then make a coherent argument with some facts attached and I might consider dismantling it. But at this point I'm more likely to let you stew in your own stupidity.

You realise I said in my OP that Tatum is a top 10 player and Butler isn't to which you quoted and replied with:

This is all incorrect

Now you wanna backtrack and act like that isn't what happened?

So either it wasn't all incorrect or it was, which is it? If it was then be a man and answer my question. Which of those players is he better than?

nikka thinks he's slick trying to act like I just randomly shouted out 10 players from nowhere :mjlol: FOH dummy :camby:
 

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Tatum is a top 10 player in the league. Butler is not.

Tatum's best season shyts on Butler's.

Tatum has two all NBA 1st team awards. Butler has none.

Tatum finished 4th in MVP voting this season. Butler's highest finish is 10th.

He's better. Your avi or recency bias is blinding you.

Stupid shyt. This is like something @murksiderock would post.

Using meaningless accolades and votes from sports writers to compare players that we can watch in real time. :scust:

Nobody is taking Tatum over Butler right now.
 

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Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Embiid, KD, Luka, Tatum, LeBron, Lillard, Kawhi are better.

Even if you wanna put him in there over Tatum, he isn't better than AD, Kyrie, Harden or even Ja.

He's just a monster in the playoffs cause he works harder than anyone and wants it more. That shyt goes a long way, especially against sorry ass losers like a lot of these Celtics players.

:what:
 

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Stupid shyt. This is like something @murksiderock would post.

Using meaningless accolades and votes from sports writers to compare players that we can watch in real time. :scust:

Nobody is taking Tatum over Butler right now.

That's cause he just dikked Tatum twice in the playoffs. I literally said recency bias is at play here.

If both players were available in a draft right now, you honestly think the majority of teams would pick Butler over Tatum? :mjlol:
 
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