Essential Quick Lil Gems on Dealing with Women

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I had to kinda rethink your question..

So I added on..

Some men lose as soon as they begin speak
Some men don't speak enough(😪)
Some men are too fat
Some men are too skinny

Etc

Lot of people in GENERAL not willing to look at the game film and adjust...

So using politics/feminism as a built-in reason makes things easier....Because it can be a legit one if it's maneuvered CORRECTLY within the content...

Every situation isn't a one size fits all, but the content creators make it that way to profit...

It's like someone telling Antonio Brown that the white man don't want him in the NFL

Yeah they right...

But at the same time, Antonio is a nutcase who dosent make things any easier..
 

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How do you determine if your lack of success in a city is YOU vs the environment? (might not be great for black men)

Question got me thinking if I've ever been to a place where it would be hard to pull.

America - Not hard - I knocked a chick from a country club in Ft. Worth TX full of cowboys and rednecks. Come to think about it, those types of chicks are much easier than the Bridge and Tunnel Broads from NJ/Long Island and the White chicks in Boston.
Europe - Not hard
South America - Not hard
East Asia - Not hard
South East Asia - Not hard.
Africa - Not hard.

As long as a chick has agency and I can figure out how to be discrete, it's doable. A brother can get a lot of work done with eye contact, facial expressions, and body language.

But, I can think of 2 big regions where it would be a real battle.

Pull a Middle Eastern Girl in The Middle East/Central Asia
Pull and Indian Chick in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh

Chicks have zero agency.
And all eyes on you.

Those are real red pill/patriarchal countries/regions - they truly lock down females - and as a result they produce some of the thirstiest men on the planet.

Edit - but a lot of "success" goes back to how you define it, and how you think the game works.

I come from the perspective that most broads are fiending for the D.
And I really just need to uncover the fire, blow on it a little, and then get us to a spot where things can happen.

I know scientifically, that's not true at all. But I learned early on to not let bs like truth and science get in the way of doing things.
 

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Do you see other black men eating?

Not in droves, I think the street black men eat well with street black women, I haven’t seen any black men put together pull other ethic groups like that.

I’m in the Midwest. But I’ve had about 20-25 dates From Sept to now. All ethnic groups.

You might need someone to break barriers for you and give that "vip pass"....

In GENERAL...

If your on the outside looking in(cold approach/online dating), someone must feel that you can add something that they don't have within their current circle(s)(immediate/daily circle)to give you a chance...

If you not getting that chance, then you gotta get that "connect" to vouch for you..

Yes, I was thinking this. One of my guys in law and we were discussing value.

Are you the:

1) Money guy, someone who can invest, spend, buy your way into friendships
2) DJ, Photographer, Promoter, Event guy
3) Luxury Car Rental guy
4) Athlete or connected to Athletes
5) Music artist / directly connect to music artist
6) Law, Doctor, Businessman

Having ppl vouch for you. To enter into sections or creating your own image.

But it also depends on the establishments you frequent at and understanding yourself, a high end lounge vs club or high end dinner.
 

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Only way to find out..


TAKE YOUR GAME ON THE ROAD.

Yup. I play with my hinge, I move it to DC, move it to ATL, Seattle, overseas and I do much better.

Question got me thinking if I've ever been to a place where it would be hard to pull.

America - Not hard - I knocked a chick from a country club in Ft. Worth TX full of cowboys and rednecks. Come to think about it, those types of chicks are much easier than the Bridge and Tunnel Broads from NJ/Long Island and the White chicks in Boston.
Europe - Not hard
South America - Not hard
East Asia - Not hard
South East Asia - Not hard.
Africa - Not hard.

As long as a chick has agency and I can figure out how to be discrete, it's doable. A brother can get a lot of work done with eye contact, facial expressions, and body language.

But, I can think of 2 big regions where it would be a real battle.

Pull a Middle Eastern Girl in The Middle East/Central Asia
Pull and Indian Chick in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh

Chicks have zero agency.
And all eyes on you.

Those are real red pill/patriarchal countries/regions - they truly lock down females - and as a result they produce some of the thirstiest men on the planet.

Edit - but a lot of "success" goes back to how you define it, and how you think the game works.

I come from the perspective that most broads are fiending for the D.
And I really just need to uncover the fire, blow on it a little, and then get us to a spot where things can happen.

I know scientifically, that's not true at all. But I learned early on to not let bs like truth and science get in the way of doing things.

I completely agree with this. Most really are fiending for it. To your point about being discrete, I think it’s also a hive mentality with women, to seek approval before a guy approaches, because a most of the time, they can’t think for themselves.
 

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Are you the:

1) Money guy, someone who can invest, spend, buy your way into friendships
2) DJ, Photographer, Promoter, Event guy
3) Luxury Car Rental guy
4) Athlete or connected to Athletes
5) Music artist / directly connect to music artist
6) Law, Doctor, Businessman

Having ppl vouch for you. To enter into sections or creating your own image.

But it also depends on the establishments you frequent at and understanding yourself, a high end lounge vs club or high end dinner.

That puts the question in a different light. Definitely agree that to really eat, a guy needs social value/social currency outside of his looks and mouthpiece.
 

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Question got me thinking if I've ever been to a place where it would be hard to pull.

America - Not hard - I knocked a chick from a country club in Ft. Worth TX full of cowboys and rednecks. Come to think about it, those types of chicks are much easier than the Bridge and Tunnel Broads from NJ/Long Island and the White chicks in Boston.
Europe - Not hard
South America - Not hard
East Asia - Not hard
South East Asia - Not hard.
Africa - Not hard.

As long as a chick has agency and I can figure out how to be discrete, it's doable. A brother can get a lot of work done with eye contact, facial expressions, and body language.

But, I can think of 2 big regions where it would be a real battle.

Pull a Middle Eastern Girl in The Middle East/Central Asia
Pull and Indian Chick in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh

Chicks have zero agency.
And all eyes on you.

Those are real red pill/patriarchal countries/regions - they truly lock down females - and as a result they produce some of the thirstiest men on the planet.

Edit - but a lot of "success" goes back to how you define it, and how you think the game works.

I come from the perspective that most broads are fiending for the D.
And I really just need to uncover the fire, blow on it a little, and then get us to a spot where things can happen.

I know scientifically, that's not true at all. But I learned early on to not let bs like truth and science get in the way of doing things.
What would you say the biggest difference is between brothers who eat and brothers who don’t?
 

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Yes, I was thinking this. One of my guys in law and we were discussing value.

Are you the:

1) Money guy, someone who can invest, spend, buy your way into friendships
2) DJ, Photographer, Promoter, Event guy
3) Luxury Car Rental guy
4) Athlete or connected to Athletes
5) Music artist / directly connect to music artist
6) Law, Doctor, Businessman

Having ppl vouch for you. To enter into sections or creating your own image.
Having been around those types and affiliated at different ages and levels, I would say for the most desired demographic of women this is due to proximity and utility. These dudes (#1-#3) can provide certain type of thrills and access that most cannot. These guys (#4-#5) have status and money to last multiple lifetimes. These things are obvious in certain environments but I dont know how that plays out in the midwest. Main thing is you have to see your environment and how you can hack the system.

I remember on college scene the chips man on the floor would get crazy play from the girls, why? Proximity to high number of young attractive women and Utility, they was struggling college students away from supervision of parents for first time and they used what they got to get what they want. Wild looking back but its that simple and I saw it happen allllll the time, crazy. And an angle most dont think about.


Yup. I play with my hinge, I move it to DC, move it to ATL, Seattle, overseas and I do much better.
Tariq back in day talked about this alot, wish I remember what podcast he had it on, but he always encouraged brothers to move around, take your campaign on the road, especially if they not choosing in your city. Go to next town over for the weekend, visit a different state, the energy is different. They choose up different, etc.

Story stand out, had my young cuz who now looking back its funny, he was 6'5 high school athlete, with a car and good genes (mom was a model) but felt like he wasnt getting play. Told him be patient, just keep doing your thing. Even his mom went in on him when she saw his prom date like she wasnt good enough (her energy probably contributed to some of his issues at time) anyway he went away for college on scholarship and he came back after first semester and he was like bruh Fam made me LOVE black women, I was laughing and asking him why. And he was just talking about the cooperation he was getting and such. Tryna find your footing in one city will have you doubting yourself, sometimes a switch up is all you need, IF you have your fundamentals on point. Shout out to Fam tho :wow:
 

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What would you say the biggest difference is between brothers who eat and brothers who don’t?

We gotta define terms.

Eat - any given weekend - Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun - there's a good shot you're taking an attractive woman home for sex.
The better you are, the more of this you get. It's gonna fluctuate with seasons, and sometimes for no reason - but having sex with a cutie (or a stunner) is no longer an achievement.

#1 thing - especially after going out for years - Brothers aren't going out, at all. You can't eat if you don't leave the cave. As packed as any venue is - it's a fraction of the male population that could be at those things.

#2 - for the cats that are out at the bars, clubs, brunches, concerts, hotel lobbies, the beach, the malls - They don't get at broads. A dude can get at a chick respectfully, disrespectfully, indirectly, directly - but a dude has to make the move. Go to any spot, 50-80% of dudes is holding the wall, chilling with their people, sipping on something, but not spitting at nothing. These days, they're on their phones.

#3 - If cats go out and they get at broads - they usually don't eat because of - Lack of Consistency. They don't go out every weekend, and they don't spend that time socializing with females.

What I haven't said
  • Height or Lack Thereof
  • Flabbiness/Skinnyness
  • Lack of Money/Abundance Of
  • Lack of Game/Abundance Of
  • Self Confidence/Self Consciousness/No Trauma/Seen the therapist a lot
The 3 main things - Not going Out, Not actually hollering, and not being consistent - also applies to dieting, working out, getting an education, doing well at your job, starting a business, running a business, youtube, podcasting, etc.

And the reason I say these things that most people think matter but actually don't matter

Types of guys that I've seen get hoes
  • Short guys (in general, short guys have better game, the way fat girls are more interesting to talk to)
  • Stinky Indians and Arabs - (persistence game, and the ones that win are straight up delusional)
  • Short Asians - (social like a mug)
  • Skinny Tall dudes (the more artistic the better)
  • Guys with No Game (no mouth piece, no observational skills, no fireworks - just determination - this is your brawler/street fighter, not your martial artist - we gotta few in this thread, but don't realize it)
  • Guys that are clearly messed up mentally - Real wrap, trainwreck type dudes always seem to bring out nurse mode.
And every last one of us knows a cat with zero money, sleeping on an air mattress, with 3-4 baby mamas, and his phone stay ringing.
We all know a fat dude that's dress well, smells good, and has fantastic verbals.

To get to that higher echelon - that dude that always got a banger on his side - a lot of that, in my experience, is not straight up game/looks/money, it's getting into the right social circles, and then being smart.

Case in point. I'll take me for an example. I'm not a pretty boy by any means, I look like Slim Kid Tre's goofy cousin, a long lost Son of Bob Marley. But My game is mostly my brain and my verbals. I notice things. That's way more important than being able to razzle dazzle a broad.

There was a spot I used to go because me and the DJ was tight. I was known by him in my circles, but not in his circles.
Getting seen with him, got me put on the radar with the regulars at the club.
So now I'm cordial with them. The females might know my name, but they took no notice.

I bring my next door neighbor to the spot one night. She's half white/half Asian.
I bring a Latina co-worker to the spot.
I bring a Ugandan friend to the spot.

Literally the same dude from a few weeks ago. Same funny. Same insightful. Same love of hip hop. Same height. Same skinny. Same fashion sense.

But now the VIP broads is like - "Who is this guy?"

Cape Verdean Chick, that was in the clique, that I thought was cute said, "I see you with all these exotic girls, How come you don't notice me?"

Made me reassess my "game".

IMO, That's how you start eating.

Then take one of them high visibility VIP chicks to the next club.
Start finding out where the bar/restaurant crew eats AFTER the bar/club closes.
Start going to the after parties.
And it just snowballs into a social life.

At that level, you're a made man.

Every cat I know that's at the top of a "food chain" - it's mostly his social skills and understanding the group - moreso than his one-on-one game spitting type skills, his bankroll, etc.

I say this right now, not having hit the gym in months. I am going after work!
 

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Lots of good insights in here

This came up circumstantially earlier in the week, the other night I go out to a spot I like for dinner, it's new, really trendy, lounge/great food, and I go pretty often, close to my place, just to eat at bar.

The hostess was new, and I never try to be recognized, but often at these spots the bar staff remembers me, and shakes my hand, says what's up. Anyway, the hostess, really attractive, within 2 seconds touches my arm, like a soft squeeze, walks me to my seat, and then touches my arm again, same way. As I leave, she says goodnight, and touches my arm again.

Now, I'm not in middle school to be debating does she like me or not, (but on some level this never stops) I just the thought the intersection of service industry/attraction/asking people out from just the other day, was interesting. On some level that place and all upscale spots are selling sex, in addition to alcohol and food. It's part of the allure, part of the experience, part of the appeal. The higher level of service you go, the harder it is to unravel the two.

Interestingly, the only times, in that kind of context someone touched me like that, are escorts in Miami, LA, who are adept at that kind of gesture. Touching the small of your back, running a hand down your shoulder, one did that in a club, and just looked right at me, didn't need to say a word, it was all in the touch, and context.

Anyway, if I could get 5 minutes with that hostess, I would probably just try to ask her out, find a common link, which would take about 30 seconds, and go from there.
 

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Lots of good insights in here

This came up circumstantially earlier in the week, the other night I go out to a spot I like for dinner, it's new, really trendy, lounge/great food, and I go pretty often, close to my place, just to eat at bar.

The hostess was new, and I never try to be recognized, but often at these spots the bar staff remembers me, and shakes my hand, says what's up. Anyway, the hostess, really attractive, within 2 seconds touches my arm, like a soft squeeze, walks me to my seat, and then touches my arm again, same way. As I leave, she says goodnight, and touches my arm again.

Now, I'm not in middle school to be debating does she like me or not, (but on some level this never stops) I just the thought the intersection of service industry/attraction/asking people out from just the other day, was interesting. On some level that place and all upscale spots are selling sex, in addition to alcohol and food. It's part of the allure, part of the experience, part of the appeal. The higher level of service you go, the harder it is to unravel the two.

Interestingly, the only times, in that kind of context someone touched me like that, are escorts in Miami, LA, who are adept at that kind of gesture. Touching the small of your back, running a hand down your shoulder, one did that in a club, and just looked right at me, didn't need to say a word, it was all in the touch, and context.

Anyway, if I could get 5 minutes with that hostess, I would probably just try to ask her out, find a common link, which would take about 30 seconds, and go from there.
When I first came across "online game" and read about stuff like kino, seen guys had broken this stuff down to a science, of course it made me look at my game but it really made me see how others were running game.. I dont think my awareness is triggered quicker than when lets say a stripper/dancer tries to seduce you with touch. Knowing that I would alway "bear hunting" a chick and say something like "you got some rough hands" or something :russ: (shout out to Patrice!)

You can learn a thing or two paying attention to how a pro seduces also

 

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We gotta define terms.

Eat - any given weekend - Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun - there's a good shot you're taking an attractive woman home for sex.
The better you are, the more of this you get. It's gonna fluctuate with seasons, and sometimes for no reason - but having sex with a cutie (or a stunner) is no longer an achievement.

#1 thing - especially after going out for years - Brothers aren't going out, at all. You can't eat if you don't leave the cave. As packed as any venue is - it's a fraction of the male population that could be at those things.

#2 - for the cats that are out at the bars, clubs, brunches, concerts, hotel lobbies, the beach, the malls - They don't get at broads. A dude can get at a chick respectfully, disrespectfully, indirectly, directly - but a dude has to make the move. Go to any spot, 50-80% of dudes is holding the wall, chilling with their people, sipping on something, but not spitting at nothing. These days, they're on their phones.

#3 - If cats go out and they get at broads - they usually don't eat because of - Lack of Consistency. They don't go out every weekend, and they don't spend that time socializing with females.

What I haven't said
  • Height or Lack Thereof
  • Flabbiness/Skinnyness
  • Lack of Money/Abundance Of
  • Lack of Game/Abundance Of
  • Self Confidence/Self Consciousness/No Trauma/Seen the therapist a lot
The 3 main things - Not going Out, Not actually hollering, and not being consistent - also applies to dieting, working out, getting an education, doing well at your job, starting a business, running a business, youtube, podcasting, etc.

And the reason I say these things that most people think matter but actually don't matter

Types of guys that I've seen get hoes
  • Short guys (in general, short guys have better game, the way fat girls are more interesting to talk to)
  • Stinky Indians and Arabs - (persistence game, and the ones that win are straight up delusional)
  • Short Asians - (social like a mug)
  • Skinny Tall dudes (the more artistic the better)
  • Guys with No Game (no mouth piece, no observational skills, no fireworks - just determination - this is your brawler/street fighter, not your martial artist - we gotta few in this thread, but don't realize it)
  • Guys that are clearly messed up mentally - Real wrap, trainwreck type dudes always seem to bring out nurse mode.
And every last one of us knows a cat with zero money, sleeping on an air mattress, with 3-4 baby mamas, and his phone stay ringing.
We all know a fat dude that's dress well, smells good, and has fantastic verbals.

To get to that higher echelon - that dude that always got a banger on his side - a lot of that, in my experience, is not straight up game/looks/money, it's getting into the right social circles, and then being smart.

Case in point. I'll take me for an example. I'm not a pretty boy by any means, I look like Slim Kid Tre's goofy cousin, a long lost Son of Bob Marley. But My game is mostly my brain and my verbals. I notice things. That's way more important than being able to razzle dazzle a broad.

There was a spot I used to go because me and the DJ was tight. I was known by him in my circles, but not in his circles.
Getting seen with him, got me put on the radar with the regulars at the club.
So now I'm cordial with them. The females might know my name, but they took no notice.

I bring my next door neighbor to the spot one night. She's half white/half Asian.
I bring a Latina co-worker to the spot.
I bring a Ugandan friend to the spot.

Literally the same dude from a few weeks ago. Same funny. Same insightful. Same love of hip hop. Same height. Same skinny. Same fashion sense.

But now the VIP broads is like - "Who is this guy?"

Cape Verdean Chick, that was in the clique, that I thought was cute said, "I see you with all these exotic girls, How come you don't notice me?"

Made me reassess my "game".

IMO, That's how you start eating.

Then take one of them high visibility VIP chicks to the next club.
Start finding out where the bar/restaurant crew eats AFTER the bar/club closes.
Start going to the after parties.
And it just snowballs into a social life.

At that level, you're a made man.

Every cat I know that's at the top of a "food chain" - it's mostly his social skills and understanding the group - moreso than his one-on-one game spitting type skills, his bankroll, etc.

I say this right now, not having hit the gym in months. I am going after work!
Good shyt with all the details breh.

:salute::salute:

I think with brehs not going out, it’s because of that red-pill shyt or whatever pill on YouTube telling them to stay home and not even bother with women. I think some only recommended to use apps.
 

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Good shyt with all the details breh.

:salute::salute:

I think with brehs not going out, it’s because of that red-pill shyt or whatever pill on YouTube telling them to stay home and not even bother with women. I think some only recommended to use apps.

Red Pill Media is relatively recent. I saw it come up, and prolly played a bit of making it popular on various forums. Right now, they're all Profits* of Rage

But the internet has really changed how Americans and the industrialized countries live.
White and Asian people in particular, but that trickles down to Black people as well.

The old paths still work though.

If a little kid is feeling sad, rubbing their back and giving them a hug still makes them feel better.

Like my man @re'up said above, a chick touching you on your arm still sends those deep primal messages that no amount of IG clout can ever replace. Just like her hearing your voice, seeing you move, seeing how other people see you - makes you way more attractive to females than even the best photo on Tinder.

I don't know how to convey that type of thinking online.
 
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