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We need to call up jimmer
We could use a shooter like him
We could use a shooter like him
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Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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D-League Watch: Thanasis Antetokounmpo
by Ed Isaacson 5d ago
(2015-16, 29.5 mpg, 12 games) 10.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.3 bpg, 1.7 tpg
49.5 FG%, 77.8 FT%, 23.5 3FG%, 57.1 TS%, 53.5 eFG%
16.5 USG%, 3.6 OREB%, 11.1 DREB%, 7.6 REB%
DOB: 7/18/1992 (23) Country: Greece
Before the D-League
Antetokounmpo started his professional career in Greece in 2012 with second division team Filathlitikos, averaging 12.2 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.1 steals, and 1 block per game. He entered the D-League draft in 2013, selected number 9 overall by Delaware, and finished the 2013-14 season averaging 12 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.2 steals, and 1.3 blocks. Antetokounmpo was named to the All-Defensive third team. He was then selected by the New York Knicks with the 51st pick of the 2014 NBA Draft and spent the year with the Westchester Knicks in the D-League. Antetokounmpo finished last season averaging 13.9 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.7 steals, and 1.7 blocks per game, and was named All-Defensive second team. After a forgettable summer league and preseason with the Knicks in 2015, he returned to Westchester as an affiliate player.
What has he shown so far?
Antetokounmpo is now in his third season in the D-League, and this should be the season he shows real progress. Antetokounmpo is long and athletic, with a solid build, and he has definitely benefitted from his time here in the United States in terms of physical development. He has shown a bit of almost everything on the offensive end, though he isn’t very good at any one particular skill, and his offense lacks any real consistency. Antetokounmpo is at his best when getting out in transition, running the wings effortlessly, and giving ballhandlers a good target as he sprints towards the basket. He has the leaping ability to finish easily above the rim, with enough ballhandling skill to get to the basket himself if he has an open lane. Antetokounmpo is a below average-to-average ballhandler, able to attack the basket in either direction, and able to finish at the rim with either hand. He has a tendency to let his dribble get away from him a bit, and he is much better off if he can limit his moves less than 3 or 4 dribbles. His long strides do help him get to the rim quickly when he has an open lane, and his body control has improved over the past couple of seasons, allowing him some ability to weave around defenders, though not something that can be counted on consistently. Antetokounmpo is a solid and efficient finisher around the basket, though he can have some trouble finishing through contact and against longer defenders. His perimeter shooting is still a bit of mess, though some progress is noted. With enough time to get set, Antetokounmpo can knock down shots from behind the arc, though his shooting motion can be slow and he seems to almost double-clutch before releasing from long-range, as if he needs extra strength to get the ball to the basket. He has the ability to use his size and length well to post-up smaller or similar-sized defenders, though when he does, he prefers to face-up and look to drive best his man to the rim.
Defensively, Antetokounmpo’s length gives an advantage, allowing him to disrupt passing lanes and shots, both on the perimeter and around the basket. On the ball, Antetokounmpo strikes an imposing presence when he extends his arms to contain his man, and he shows decent lateral movement and foot speed. Off the ball is a much different story. Antetokounmpo has some decent instincts and awareness, with the ability to extend and jump passing lanes, but he also has a tendency to get turned around and lost if forced to chase his man, especially through screens in the lane. Also, he can get caught watching the ball too much, and looking to cheat towards help position a little too far. While his length does help him recover to close on shooters, he becomes very vulnerable to a simple shot fake and dribble move, taking him out of the play. The Knicks have used Antetokounmpo a lot at the 4, forcing him to often defend in the post, and he has done a pretty good job, showing an aggressiveness that seems to be missing in a lot of other areas of his game, but he can tend to pick up needless fouls with things like reaching for the ball and pushing. Antetokounmpo’s size also allows him to help out on the defensive boards, though he doesn’t have a great feel yet for positioning and how to be aggressive enough to out-battle others for the missed shot consistently.
What does he need to show next?
He’s now in his third D-League season, so Antetokounmpo’s progress should be speeding up, if it’s going to at all. His perimeter shooting needs to become more consistent and he may need to make some changes to his motion and release to make it more compact and not as intensive. Also, Antetokounmpo has no offensive game between getting to the basket and shooting the three, making things a bit easier to defend, and with his mediocre ballhandling ability, he really needs a clear lane to be able to get to the rim. His passing, especially off the dribble, has improved a bit, but it’s another area where he can improve, especially having a better feel of where he’s going to find open teammates off of help defenders rotating. One of Antetokounmpo’s biggest problems is that he often seems lost on the offensive end, especially in halfcourt offensive sets. It’s like he’s not sure where he’s supposed to be, so he’ll wander a bit and then just go into the corner hoping for a pass. Also, in a league where everyone is hunting their own shot, he could stand to be a bit more aggressive when he gets his chances. Defensively, Antetokounmpo really needs to work on having a better sense of where he is on the floor in relation to the team’s defensive scheme, and what his responsibilities are. He has the physical tools to make an impact, but his awareness can be spotty.
Where does he go from here?
While same may have hoped that Antetokounmpo would have at least a bit of the potential of his younger brother Giannis, that has turned out to not be the case, and through a little more than two seasons, he seems to be nothing more than an average D-League player. There is some potential with his defensive abilities, and the combination of length and athleticism will always get multiple looks, but his progress hasn’t taken a big enough leap yet, and he’s being overshadowed by many of his Westchester teammates. Becoming a better perimeter shooter would certainly help, but also just being able to create his own offensive opportunities would be a step up. As of right now, I’m not sure the Knicks have much here with Antetokounmpo, but he is still just 23 and, in some ways, still adjusting to basketball here in the United State. Best case for the Knicks and Antetokounmpo is to let the rest of the season play out, get another shot at Summer League, and assess if he is worth continuing to develop, or if he might be better off going to Europe where he can make more money and stand out a bit more.
Link: D-League Watch: Thanasis Antetokounmpo
by Ed Isaacson 5d ago
(2015-16, 29.5 mpg, 12 games) 10.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.3 bpg, 1.7 tpg
49.5 FG%, 77.8 FT%, 23.5 3FG%, 57.1 TS%, 53.5 eFG%
16.5 USG%, 3.6 OREB%, 11.1 DREB%, 7.6 REB%
DOB: 7/18/1992 (23) Country: Greece
Before the D-League
Antetokounmpo started his professional career in Greece in 2012 with second division team Filathlitikos, averaging 12.2 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.1 steals, and 1 block per game. He entered the D-League draft in 2013, selected number 9 overall by Delaware, and finished the 2013-14 season averaging 12 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.2 steals, and 1.3 blocks. Antetokounmpo was named to the All-Defensive third team. He was then selected by the New York Knicks with the 51st pick of the 2014 NBA Draft and spent the year with the Westchester Knicks in the D-League. Antetokounmpo finished last season averaging 13.9 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.7 steals, and 1.7 blocks per game, and was named All-Defensive second team. After a forgettable summer league and preseason with the Knicks in 2015, he returned to Westchester as an affiliate player.
What has he shown so far?
Antetokounmpo is now in his third season in the D-League, and this should be the season he shows real progress. Antetokounmpo is long and athletic, with a solid build, and he has definitely benefitted from his time here in the United States in terms of physical development. He has shown a bit of almost everything on the offensive end, though he isn’t very good at any one particular skill, and his offense lacks any real consistency. Antetokounmpo is at his best when getting out in transition, running the wings effortlessly, and giving ballhandlers a good target as he sprints towards the basket. He has the leaping ability to finish easily above the rim, with enough ballhandling skill to get to the basket himself if he has an open lane. Antetokounmpo is a below average-to-average ballhandler, able to attack the basket in either direction, and able to finish at the rim with either hand. He has a tendency to let his dribble get away from him a bit, and he is much better off if he can limit his moves less than 3 or 4 dribbles. His long strides do help him get to the rim quickly when he has an open lane, and his body control has improved over the past couple of seasons, allowing him some ability to weave around defenders, though not something that can be counted on consistently. Antetokounmpo is a solid and efficient finisher around the basket, though he can have some trouble finishing through contact and against longer defenders. His perimeter shooting is still a bit of mess, though some progress is noted. With enough time to get set, Antetokounmpo can knock down shots from behind the arc, though his shooting motion can be slow and he seems to almost double-clutch before releasing from long-range, as if he needs extra strength to get the ball to the basket. He has the ability to use his size and length well to post-up smaller or similar-sized defenders, though when he does, he prefers to face-up and look to drive best his man to the rim.
Defensively, Antetokounmpo’s length gives an advantage, allowing him to disrupt passing lanes and shots, both on the perimeter and around the basket. On the ball, Antetokounmpo strikes an imposing presence when he extends his arms to contain his man, and he shows decent lateral movement and foot speed. Off the ball is a much different story. Antetokounmpo has some decent instincts and awareness, with the ability to extend and jump passing lanes, but he also has a tendency to get turned around and lost if forced to chase his man, especially through screens in the lane. Also, he can get caught watching the ball too much, and looking to cheat towards help position a little too far. While his length does help him recover to close on shooters, he becomes very vulnerable to a simple shot fake and dribble move, taking him out of the play. The Knicks have used Antetokounmpo a lot at the 4, forcing him to often defend in the post, and he has done a pretty good job, showing an aggressiveness that seems to be missing in a lot of other areas of his game, but he can tend to pick up needless fouls with things like reaching for the ball and pushing. Antetokounmpo’s size also allows him to help out on the defensive boards, though he doesn’t have a great feel yet for positioning and how to be aggressive enough to out-battle others for the missed shot consistently.
What does he need to show next?
He’s now in his third D-League season, so Antetokounmpo’s progress should be speeding up, if it’s going to at all. His perimeter shooting needs to become more consistent and he may need to make some changes to his motion and release to make it more compact and not as intensive. Also, Antetokounmpo has no offensive game between getting to the basket and shooting the three, making things a bit easier to defend, and with his mediocre ballhandling ability, he really needs a clear lane to be able to get to the rim. His passing, especially off the dribble, has improved a bit, but it’s another area where he can improve, especially having a better feel of where he’s going to find open teammates off of help defenders rotating. One of Antetokounmpo’s biggest problems is that he often seems lost on the offensive end, especially in halfcourt offensive sets. It’s like he’s not sure where he’s supposed to be, so he’ll wander a bit and then just go into the corner hoping for a pass. Also, in a league where everyone is hunting their own shot, he could stand to be a bit more aggressive when he gets his chances. Defensively, Antetokounmpo really needs to work on having a better sense of where he is on the floor in relation to the team’s defensive scheme, and what his responsibilities are. He has the physical tools to make an impact, but his awareness can be spotty.
Where does he go from here?
While same may have hoped that Antetokounmpo would have at least a bit of the potential of his younger brother Giannis, that has turned out to not be the case, and through a little more than two seasons, he seems to be nothing more than an average D-League player. There is some potential with his defensive abilities, and the combination of length and athleticism will always get multiple looks, but his progress hasn’t taken a big enough leap yet, and he’s being overshadowed by many of his Westchester teammates. Becoming a better perimeter shooter would certainly help, but also just being able to create his own offensive opportunities would be a step up. As of right now, I’m not sure the Knicks have much here with Antetokounmpo, but he is still just 23 and, in some ways, still adjusting to basketball here in the United State. Best case for the Knicks and Antetokounmpo is to let the rest of the season play out, get another shot at Summer League, and assess if he is worth continuing to develop, or if he might be better off going to Europe where he can make more money and stand out a bit more.
Link: D-League Watch: Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Victim of Racism
I'm a brehette
Just came from hitting up the new nba store and as I'm leaving this dude is walking in asked the associate for a porzingis jersey.
Had me walking out like
Was thinking about hitting the game tonight for my birthday but 90 for the magics foh
We better get this win tonight, break the losing streak they be having on my birthday
It's open
*EDIT* Happy Birthday Breh
nomoreneveragain
Superstar
Unless Lou plays over Seraphin, this is going to be a Lauce
Ironman
#Knickstape
Word on the street is that Jimmer feels that the offense should run through him OR that he doesn't have to run the offense because his shot is mostly wet. Overconfident/Egomaniac
This is his chance to show some discipline. Maybe his last chance.
If he can play his part, we would welcome him.
The War Report
NewNewYork
He's done as an NBA player.
Hopefully the Coli luck translates to a W. We're the 6th man brehs
Ironman
#Knickstape
IN. Let's get this win tonight my brothas and sistas
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Happy B.day and I hope the Young Goat (KP) drops Jason like he did those 2 players in Philly.Squashed them like they were bugs.
Jason gon' learn one day, might as well be tonight.
appreciate the love from both y'all fam.It's open
*EDIT* Happy Birthday Breh
Yea, they opened up today it's aight, I was expect something more the way it was being hyped for the reopen. I wanted this light blue Knicks fitted with a tropical brim
