Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Posted this on Twitter earlier. This is pending two things;

January 14th - when Dragic is available to be traded
Miami agreeing to give a 1st to Sacramento (and possibly a future Houston 1st to SAC as well)

Knicks get Winslow and 3 expirings for Melo.
 

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Posted this on Twitter earlier. This is pending two things;

January 14th - when Dragic is available to be traded
Miami agreeing to give a 1st to Sacramento (and possibly a future Houston 1st to SAC as well)

Knicks get Winslow and 3 expirings for Melo.
Miami gonna Dominate the eastern conference if this happens.

Boogie
Bosh
Melo
Wade
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That's finals bound. Cleveland would get embarrassed :wow:
 
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Miami gonna Dominate the eastern conference if this happens.

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Melo
Wade
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That's finals bound. Cleveland would get embarrassed :wow:

Bite the bullet. With KP/revamping overall roster/youth movement, we're still 3-4 years away. Let them do the most they can with an aging Melo/Wade and we'll stay the course for us
 

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Posted this on Twitter earlier. This is pending two things;

January 14th - when Dragic is available to be traded
Miami agreeing to give a 1st to Sacramento (and possibly a future Houston 1st to SAC as well)

Knicks get Winslow and 3 expirings for Melo.

The Knicks get shyt on in this deal. Pay 12+ Mill out to an alcoholic point guard who is now flunking out of his second team in two years.

Unless they're getting picks (which they better, as they're the only team giving up a superstar and not getting comparable value back) - this is no bueno.
 

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Posted this on Twitter earlier. This is pending two things;

January 14th - when Dragic is available to be traded
Miami agreeing to give a 1st to Sacramento (and possibly a future Houston 1st to SAC as well)

Knicks get Winslow and 3 expirings for Melo.

Knicks get garbage AND set the Heat up to win the ship... no thanks :childplease:
 

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you would think the 76ers would scare ppl off from the tank/lets collect draft picks thing
but evidently not
funny this is, if knicks were to trade melo knick fans would crying next season that porzingas needs some help and we need to pick up a star to help him:mjlol:

then once we eventually pick up a player with potential and he starts having bettter games than porzingis, the argument will change to " We need to trade porzingis! its so and so's team now, trade him now while he has high value::mjlol:

the cycle continues, rinse and repeat


This post doesn't really make sense.

The reason Melo should be traded is not because "we got a new star to replace him" - the reason is, this tandem doesn't have a future. Melo is too old. If the knicks drafted another star, we wouldn't want to trade porzingis because then you'd have two young stars to pair together for the future.


There are three ways to acquire star talent.
1) Sign it.
2) Draft it
3) Trade for it.


The knicks have not been able to do the first one, even with loads of cap space, and the so called draw of new york city and Me7o.

So you need to look at the other ways.

The knicks don't currently have a draft pick in this year's draft, so you can't just tank to draft... which means you probably need to make a move.

If you're hoping on free agents next year, there is not a ton of evidence that Durant wants to leave OKC, and none that he'd come to the Knicks... So you can throw max money at Whiteside or Batum... or Drummon (RFA, but DET will match)... after that the best player are 30+ or perpetually injured (beal).... or just flat out not that effective (derozan).

Which may mean another offseason of role player signings. Which is solid, but probably doesn't even push this team into the playoffs.
 

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The Knicks get shyt on in this deal. Pay 12+ Mill out to an alcoholic point guard who is now flunking out of his second team in two years.

Unless they're getting picks (which they better, as they're the only team giving up a superstar and not getting comparable value back) - this is no bueno.

Serveral picks...
 

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Posted this on Twitter earlier. This is pending two things;

January 14th - when Dragic is available to be traded
Miami agreeing to give a 1st to Sacramento (and possibly a future Houston 1st to SAC as well)

Knicks get Winslow and 3 expirings for Melo.

I see what you're going for, but I wouldn't do it as the Knicks and there is no way in hell that the Kings are doing it either. The Kings are really getting completely jerked on this one.
 

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Carmelo Anthony Is Among NBA’s Best Defenders—but Are the Numbers Lying?
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Carmelo Anthony has improved from the NBA’s second-worst defender on 3-pointers last season to the second-best this season. Photo: adam hunger/Reuters

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Chris Herring

Dec. 15, 2015 7:40 p.m. ET
It hasn’t exactly been a banner season for Carmelo Anthony, whose Knicks, though clearly improved from last year, have lost seven of 10 games heading into Wednesday’s contest against Minnesota.

Anthony has struggled to find consistency on offense following a major knee operation in February. Even after his best shooting game of the season, a 13-for-21 night for 37 points in a win over Portland on Saturday, the 31-year-old forward is making a career-low 41.2% of his shots while scoring 21.8 points a game, his lowest average since 2004.

But while his offense has lagged, Anthony has managed to raise his game on defense—a clear and welcome shift from last season, when his sluggishness was so notable that team president Phil Jackson pulled him aside at one point to ask why he wasn’t more active on that end of the floor.

Thanks in part to his surgically repaired knee, Anthony has appeared committed to playing tighter, more attentive defense along the perimeter this year. He has also made several stops as the lone defender back guarding a player who’s leading a fast break.

“Last year, he physically wasn’t able to do a lot of the things we ask our guys to do on the defensive end, and was very limited,” coach Derek Fisher said. “This year, the effort and mind-set have been there. He’s expending more energy on that end of the floor, which impacts your offense. That’s why some guys don’t like playing defense: the intensity takes away from how much you can put into your offense.”

Anthony’s aggressive close-outs on jump shooters have been the most noticeable difference from 2014-15.

As far back as the preseason, Anthony has been sprinting at dangerous shooters on the perimeter, something he hardly ever did last season. As a result, he has contested almost as many 3-pointers (17) this year as he did in 40 games last year (18).

And it seems to be working. Opposing shooters are making just 23.8% of their 3-pointers when Anthony is the closest defender to the play, according to SportVU player-tracking technology. That’s the second-lowest mark among all NBA wing defenders behind only LeBron James—a remarkable feat considering that Anthony surrendered the NBA’s second-highest percentage on 3-pointers (41.9%) last season.

This essentially makes Anthony a microcosm of the Knicks, who were dead last in 3-point defense last season, and rank second-best in that category this season.

Overall, opponents have shot just 34% when Anthony is the closest defender to the play, according to NBA.com, down from 44% in other situations. That 10-point disparity is the fourth-best in the NBA among players who have defended at least 100 field-goal attempts this year.

It’s always encouraging to hear that the Knicks are making strides on defense, even if it has translated into just 11 wins in 25 games. But to be clear, Anthony is still a long way from being an elite defender.

He continues to suffer lazy moments, as he did last week when he needlessly switched off Dirk Nowitzki in a 104-97 loss to Dallas, allowing the Mavericks’ sharpshooter to torch clear mismatches. Anthony also has the benefit of two 7-footers this season, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis, to help improve his defensive metrics by cleaning up mistakes and altering shots at the rim. And frankly, Anthony has gotten lucky at times when he’s left an opponent open along the perimeter.

Some of those looks are by design: The Knicks’ defense is more gameplan-savvy this year. “We’ve spent more time on recognition in walk-throughs, so we know who we can leave open and who we can’t,” said forward Lance Thomas.

But with opponents shooting 29% from long range when Anthony leaves more than 6 feet of space—down from 50% when he left that much room last season—it’s safe to assume that he won’t remain basketball’s second-best perimeter defender for the rest of the season.

‘I know scoring is my thing. I could do it, I believe, better than anybody. But I can do more than that. And to be a leader, I have to do more than that.’

—Carmelo Anthony
Nevertheless, his effort has been markedly better lately, both when he has shot well and when he hasn’t, particularly in transition and in help situations.

It’s a new look for Anthony. During Saturday’s win over Portland, Blazers announcer Mike Rice Sr. was actually startled by the defensive energy, saying, “Carmelo playing good defense tonight—not to sound too surprised by that, but the Knicks have clearly fed off that, and played good D.”

Anthony, who insisted when the season began that he wanted his coaches to hold him more accountable defensively, said he is using his 13 years of NBA experience to help him. For example, he has shown great timing in negating passes and shots by swinging his arm across his body at just the right angle to connect with the ball.

Whatever the cause of his improvement, he knows the Knicks will go as far as he takes them, and that simply putting the ball in the basket won’t be enough. He also understands the long-running criticism of his defense.

“Obviously, with guys in my position, it is what it is. You’ll never win that battle,” he said. “If you do one thing so great, that will always overshadow anything else you do on the basketball court. I know scoring is my thing. I could do it, I believe, better than anybody. But I can do more than that. And to be a leader, I have to do more than that.”
 

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Knicks get garbage AND set the Heat up to win the ship... no thanks :childplease:

It's funny how Melo is suppose to be "overrated" and a chucker, yet you have cats from other teams trying to give us scraps for him. And I don't get the love affair people have with Winslow, he seemed average at best.

Anyways back to the stuff that matters





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The Knicks get shyt on in this deal. Pay 12+ Mill out to an alcoholic point guard who is now flunking out of his second team in two years.

Unless they're getting picks (which they better, as they're the only team giving up a superstar and not getting comparable value back) - this is no bueno.

Lawson's deal is non-guaranteed for next season. You can dump him at no expense. Which combined with those other pieces is essentially getting $26 mil in FA this offseason + Justice Winslow at the expense of aging Melo + O'Quinn.
 

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This post doesn't really make sense.

The reason Melo should be traded is not because "we got a new star to replace him" - the reason is, this tandem doesn't have a future. Melo is too old. If the knicks drafted another star, we wouldn't want to trade porzingis because then you'd have two young stars to pair together for the future.


There are three ways to acquire star talent.
1) Sign it.
2) Draft it
3) Trade for it.


The knicks have not been able to do the first one, even with loads of cap space, and the so called draw of new york city and Me7o.

So you need to look at the other ways.

The knicks don't currently have a draft pick in this year's draft, so you can't just tank to draft... which means you probably need to make a move.

If you're hoping on free agents next year, there is not a ton of evidence that Durant wants to leave OKC, and none that he'd come to the Knicks... So you can throw max money at Whiteside or Batum... or Drummon (RFA, but DET will match)... after that the best player are 30+ or perpetually injured (beal).... or just flat out not that effective (derozan).

Which may mean another offseason of role player signings. Which is solid, but probably doesn't even push this team into the playoffs.

The only current real asset we have is Calderon. (not counting KP obviously)

But no one's trading anything worthwhile for Melo...and the rest of the roster is basically a dumpsterfire.
 

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Lawson's deal is non-guaranteed for next season. You can dump him at no expense. Which combined with those other pieces is essentially getting $26 mil in FA this offseason + Justice Winslow at the expense of aging Melo + O'Quinn.

Expiring's make a big different when you're capped out. The Knicks are not.

And O'Quinn is already a solid young backup Big, the type they'd have to sign again... and I already said that this year's free agent crop is not full of guys like that, or even really players that we'd want.

Ty Lawson is a disaster, apparently an alcoholic, he looks like shyt this season...and he's not really worth having on the team.

This deal is basically Winslow and a salary dump. Not great.
 
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