Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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@GoldenGlove too 
@GoldenGlove too
We just picked up Spencer Dinwiddie today breh. It's clear the Bulls have found the true successor to D. Rose with that acquisition. We good over here.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
rose bout to opt out
if we can get him without giving up too much, im all for it
if we can get him without giving up too much, im all for it
I am going to keep tagging @Brozay as this rumor continues to go on
Harleminthe80s
All Star
They said Melo go to the Bulls and play with Rose & Noah if you really cared about winning.
2 years later he could possibly play with both while making more money than he would of if he signed
2 years later he could possibly play with both while making more money than he would of if he signed
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
They said Melo go to the Bulls and play with Rose & Noah if you really cared about winning.
2 years later he could possibly play with both while making more money than he would of if he signed
storyteller
Veteran
But we don't really have anything in between. We can offer a couple of second rounders and just cap space which I'd take over the risk of Conley's achilles or Rondo for four years since it's basically just more cap space next offseason; but that ain't getting Rose even in his current state. But after second rounders we don't have anything short of Grant (hell no), a future first (the most sinking deja vu sense ever if we do that) or pretty much nothing right now. I just don't see it happening. I'm clinging to Jordan Clarkson rumors and ready to cross my fingers over a Rondo pick-up.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Keep Derrick Rose name out your mouths
On the flip.... You can just keep Derrick Rose
Cause ESPN is click baiting..... But honestly nobody wants wants him
Weirdly, Ian Begley, who's reporting this doesn't strike me as the type of journalist who would just say it to clickbait.On the flip.... You can just keep Derrick Rose
Harleminthe80s
All Star
From what I'm hearing this sounds like a salary dump
So you know what we want
So you know what we want
Some picks
This is foreign territory for us were rarely on this side of a trade
This is foreign territory for us were rarely on this side of a trade
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
Send Jose back, and maybe O'quinn too, and Chicago gets about 10-14 mil cap relief. So many other teams have pg's that the Knicks might be the only team with a need and the cap space to take on Rose's contract. Whether or not Chicago is fine with just a salary dump depends on if they're gonna still try and compete next year or not, since they'll want the extra cap space before free agency starts. Either Rose or Butler gets moved before draft night imo.
storyteller
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I'm tryna have a sober weekend because I've had two vacations in three weeks and I need a break...it's tougher than I though. Figured I'd rate some of the recent rumored options and talk about their likelihood. Because Knicks news is pure speculation right now.
For now - it's PG options that have been reported...
#1 Jordan Clarkson -
Why it's my favorite option: He's young, a hard working PG and fits KP's time line best of all options. Even with us having to price out a match from the Lakers, he's likely the cheapest option or at least second cheapest whose name has been brought up. His playmaking took a backseat this season, but I think he has potential to be a primary ball handler with proper development and his shooting improved. The best part of Clarkson is that signing him leaves room to target the stronger position in this FA class; SG. A Clarkson signing should leave ample room to make a serious run at Fournier, Crabbe or possibly even Bazemore.
Odds - 10% - And that's probably wishful thinking boosting that percentage. Clarkson is the least likely to position us for an immediate playoff run which has been the focal point of our star, coach, GM and president's comments so far. He's the best long term option but he's a player who needs to grow to start for a contender. Add to that, he's an RFA who the Lakers intend to keep and the likelihood drops.
#2 - A D-Rose trade ONLY if the Bulls take back Calderon and only request second rounders as compensation -
Why it kinda makes sense: It's a one year rental that could appease the win-now crowd but leave us with massive cap next season. If D-Rose plays all season how he looked toward the end of this season, you actually have a pretty good team. Dumping Calderon is a bonus but you might be able to pull it off since you're still eating around 14 million dollars in added salary.
Odds - 0.001% - Then reality sets in and you realize that once the FA's are all signed, teams will be left behind with cap space and one of them will give up actual assets for a former MVP even if it is a rental. This is a pipe dream move that isn't even very appealing. But the other options suck imo.
#3 Conley Maxed out
Why it leaves room for cautious optimism: If Conley is healthy, we're a playoff team, I firmly believe that. So in terms of win-now moves, it's got the best chance at success. The problem is that it's a long term heart attack. His athleticism will fade with age and achilles issues are terrifying. On top of that with the 94 million dollar cap, he's starting at slightly over 26 million dollars with increases as he ages. If he can stay relatively healthy for 3 seasons, you could do a lot worse. I read an article recently that mapped out his overall health and it's actually been better than I thought, so I bumped him past Rondo.
Odds - 20% - I think we'll offer him a max and I don't think there will be 5 better options out there, hence a 1 in 5 shot. That's assuming the rumors that he's not excited about coming back to Memphis have any truth.
#4 Rondo 12.5 per
Why it's not the end of the world: It leaves 20+ million in cap space...that's the main reason. Rondo warrants a bit of optimism in so much as he actually shot the 3 ball well last season and there's a mutual respect between he and Melo. The negatives are well known. Rondo has become a piss poor defender, he has had attitude problems in the past and he's always been ball dominant (imho though, it's not the worst thing in the world to take the ball out of Melo's hands and leave decision making to others). Dude is older, has injury history and is tempermental. The positive, if you equate 12.5 in the new cap era to the past, it's barely more expensive than Calderon for a much better player (not because Rondo is great, but Calderon sucks).
Odds - 25% - I think if we want Rondo, we'll be able to sign him and Melo likes dude so there's a supporter in his corner. That said, Phil passed on him last season and hopefully one of the better options happens without this ever needing to be seriously entertained.
#5 The realistic Rose trades
Why it really is horrific: We need to keep our assets, period. So any trade for a rental of Rose that makes sense gives up assets we need. Even if it were to work out with Rose playing great, he's looking for a big contract in spite of serious injury concerns considering his past. It just doesn't make any sense long term to me.
Odds - If Phil's in control 1% if Dolan were to get involved 50% - Because Phil hasn't taken many long term risks and he hasn't taken any risks that would be this big yet. But Dolan...that dude always finds a way to crater any optimism so this would be the time to strike if the pattern held.
#6 The unknown move
Why it's honestly probably better than any option but Clarkson: Because those options are all mediocre or worse.
Odds - 40% - You know what...Phil has surprised us at damn near every turn. The KP pick didn't leak till a day before the draft; RoLo wasn't on anyone's radar with Monroe and Jordan available; Shump and Smith got dealt over a month before the deadline; Hornacek too and on and on. When he surprises us, it tends to be something we wind up appreciating.
For now - it's PG options that have been reported...
#1 Jordan Clarkson -
Why it's my favorite option: He's young, a hard working PG and fits KP's time line best of all options. Even with us having to price out a match from the Lakers, he's likely the cheapest option or at least second cheapest whose name has been brought up. His playmaking took a backseat this season, but I think he has potential to be a primary ball handler with proper development and his shooting improved. The best part of Clarkson is that signing him leaves room to target the stronger position in this FA class; SG. A Clarkson signing should leave ample room to make a serious run at Fournier, Crabbe or possibly even Bazemore.
Odds - 10% - And that's probably wishful thinking boosting that percentage. Clarkson is the least likely to position us for an immediate playoff run which has been the focal point of our star, coach, GM and president's comments so far. He's the best long term option but he's a player who needs to grow to start for a contender. Add to that, he's an RFA who the Lakers intend to keep and the likelihood drops.
#2 - A D-Rose trade ONLY if the Bulls take back Calderon and only request second rounders as compensation -
Why it kinda makes sense: It's a one year rental that could appease the win-now crowd but leave us with massive cap next season. If D-Rose plays all season how he looked toward the end of this season, you actually have a pretty good team. Dumping Calderon is a bonus but you might be able to pull it off since you're still eating around 14 million dollars in added salary.
Odds - 0.001% - Then reality sets in and you realize that once the FA's are all signed, teams will be left behind with cap space and one of them will give up actual assets for a former MVP even if it is a rental. This is a pipe dream move that isn't even very appealing. But the other options suck imo.
#3 Conley Maxed out
Why it leaves room for cautious optimism: If Conley is healthy, we're a playoff team, I firmly believe that. So in terms of win-now moves, it's got the best chance at success. The problem is that it's a long term heart attack. His athleticism will fade with age and achilles issues are terrifying. On top of that with the 94 million dollar cap, he's starting at slightly over 26 million dollars with increases as he ages. If he can stay relatively healthy for 3 seasons, you could do a lot worse. I read an article recently that mapped out his overall health and it's actually been better than I thought, so I bumped him past Rondo.
Odds - 20% - I think we'll offer him a max and I don't think there will be 5 better options out there, hence a 1 in 5 shot. That's assuming the rumors that he's not excited about coming back to Memphis have any truth.
#4 Rondo 12.5 per
Why it's not the end of the world: It leaves 20+ million in cap space...that's the main reason. Rondo warrants a bit of optimism in so much as he actually shot the 3 ball well last season and there's a mutual respect between he and Melo. The negatives are well known. Rondo has become a piss poor defender, he has had attitude problems in the past and he's always been ball dominant (imho though, it's not the worst thing in the world to take the ball out of Melo's hands and leave decision making to others). Dude is older, has injury history and is tempermental. The positive, if you equate 12.5 in the new cap era to the past, it's barely more expensive than Calderon for a much better player (not because Rondo is great, but Calderon sucks).
Odds - 25% - I think if we want Rondo, we'll be able to sign him and Melo likes dude so there's a supporter in his corner. That said, Phil passed on him last season and hopefully one of the better options happens without this ever needing to be seriously entertained.
#5 The realistic Rose trades
Why it really is horrific: We need to keep our assets, period. So any trade for a rental of Rose that makes sense gives up assets we need. Even if it were to work out with Rose playing great, he's looking for a big contract in spite of serious injury concerns considering his past. It just doesn't make any sense long term to me.
Odds - If Phil's in control 1% if Dolan were to get involved 50% - Because Phil hasn't taken many long term risks and he hasn't taken any risks that would be this big yet. But Dolan...that dude always finds a way to crater any optimism so this would be the time to strike if the pattern held.
#6 The unknown move
Why it's honestly probably better than any option but Clarkson: Because those options are all mediocre or worse.
Odds - 40% - You know what...Phil has surprised us at damn near every turn. The KP pick didn't leak till a day before the draft; RoLo wasn't on anyone's radar with Monroe and Jordan available; Shump and Smith got dealt over a month before the deadline; Hornacek too and on and on. When he surprises us, it tends to be something we wind up appreciating.
