Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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storyteller
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Off the trade Melo topic, my fam copped me Knicks tickets for the Heat game at the end of the month as a b-day present. So I'ma have a nice chance to peep the team after a few weeks under Rambis. First chance to watch KP live and yall know I'ma be watching Rambis and the bench to see what interactions look like too.
@storyteller what realistic trade would you be good with for Melo in this 3 team scenario? I wouldn't mind Avery Bradley, 2 2016 picks (including Brooklyn) and 2 futures for Melo... (Assuming he really wants to go to Cleveland to win a ship).
The key to success in the NBA is not locking in max money to non efficient players. The Celtics would never ever want Cousins on their roster.
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I don't see a realistic scenario that helps all teams involved. My preference would be to get Crowder over Bradley, the BK pick is a must and someone's gotta take Calderon's contract off our hands too. That's still not a very exciting package to me unless we luck out and land Simmons in the draft. If we're dealing Melo in a trade involving a division rival, I'd rather be talking to Philly about either Okafor or Nerlens Noel than any package Boston could offer short of giving us two out of Bradley, Crowder and Smart.
storyteller
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27, 11, 3 plus over a steal and block with a contract that never gets higher than 18 million dollars in a single season...there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want Cousins breh.
I've been trying to explain this shyt to the people on here for a while now.
They are convinced that we are better off WITH Melo here
Either way, I am glad from what I saw from Kristaps DA GAWD. It will be his team in a year and a half.
Honestly, IMO any deal that lands the knicks a few picks with a decent player (average starter) is good for the Knicks.
We just aren't going to do anything with Melo here and the fact that you still have people on here acting like you would rather him stay is a bit odd. Let that man leave and have a chance to win a title. Maybe you guys want to witness another Patrick Ewing situation in where the guy is starting to lose it and yet the Knicks are in a complete mess and the hall of fame player never has a chance to win.
shyt is dumb as fukk really. Hell, I am ALMOST at a point that I would offer up a draft day trade to whoever has a top 3 pick straight up for Melo (if anyone is dumb enough to take it)
GhostoftheMan
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i'm getting to the point where i think we should trade melo. he's getting payed how much to win in the late stages of his career?
storyteller
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I posted a nice breakdown of how many draft picks have led to actual franchise changing players earlier this morning. People are overvaluing picks and ignoring the fact that you're more likely to get decent players than a star by a large margin. On top of that, any trade scenario now (trade deadline deal) means you're adding the need to win hit in the draft lottery, which means you've gotta get that much more lucky (worst team in the draft still only has a 1:4 chance at the top pick).
I'm not completely averse to trading Melo, but I want a sure thing and not picks. Like I said, if Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor is the center piece, I'm a lot more interested because both those guys have plenty of room for growth and fit really well next to KP. Plus you can shop RoLo around in that scenario to try and stack the deck even more (big men with reasonable cap numbers always bring back value). I'd do a star for star deal but those rarely happen and the one that we've heard is an odd fit (Blake Griffin would force KP to play a ton of minutes at C before he's actually ready). It's also not really doing Melo a favor to trade him now, he's got a big trade kicker that I'm sure he'd rather wait for before getting dealt (he's about his paper).
Now if we were to have a draft night option to trade for a definite top 3 pick and a guarantee to get the guy we want (probably Simmons), then I'm really interested. But picks for the sake of picks can get you trapped in a cycle like Philly has been just like overspending can. Like I said before, there's a reason teams with all those valuable picks are trying to get rid of the picks and bring in a definite star player.
Plus I think people are underestimating the position the Knicks are in without dealing Melo. They have Melo to set an example and take pressure off of KP while KP develops. They have KP to take over as the star when Melo regresses and can't carry 'em. After this season, they have all of their own draft picks and they've still got a minimum of around 20 million dollars in cap space for this off season. They aren't in no man's land, they have flexibility in every which way right now. All of that is to say, we shouldn't be selling low on Melo; because the franchise will be fine with or without him. There's no scenario that guarantees a contender and you're gonna have to wait for optimum results whether you deal him or not. One scenario requires getting lucky with draft picks and player development; the other involves being smart with cap space.
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Depends if Houston would just want to swap his contract for Carmelo's. Melo's deal is worse than Dwights though so I doubt it.