Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

Wargames

One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Joined
Apr 1, 2013
Messages
26,693
Reputation
4,958
Daps
100,861
Reppin
New York City
He's the interim breh

Yeah brehs the season is over:francis:

At this point I just don't want to give up a top 10 pick.
:francis:

Rambis needs to spend this time helping players learn the triangle and Phil needs to trade for a PG with some potential. Preferably on their rookie deal so they don't fukk up 2016 FA
 

storyteller

Veteran
Joined
May 23, 2012
Messages
16,813
Reputation
5,282
Daps
64,168
Reppin
NYC
Rather than go player by player, in light of the new coaching I figure I'll talk about what I saw that looked different and how I felt about it...so post game analysis Rambis edition is on...

Iso position shifts: AA's back to basket isolations happened less often, because they only happened when he was closer to the rack (for the most part). KP got touches in post up situations where RoLo had seen more of the looks in the past (that baseline area where he'd be too far for the hook shot to work). Those two variants were nice to me. Both AA and RoLo struggled further from the rack in those iso's. KP did really well near the baseline, including that slam on Dudley. The on problem that arose is that AA saw his looks from those close spots slip as KP took over in the second half and AA seemed to float and disappear even at times. Melo seemed (could be wrong here but it looked to me) to be setting up a bit closer in as well, which had the adverse effect of less cutting options for him because spacing was different but it allowed him to abuse defenders until his gas tank slipped. He was 12-22 in spite of fading late (not shocking with how much time he's had off).

A more varied attack: Galloway, RoLo and Seraphin all had moments where they seemed like they were feature players. Seraphin actually looked solid in this one and with more minutes he forced less and passed more which surprised me. AA was the guy early, KP was the guy in the third. If a player seemed to be on a roll, the Knicks fed that hand for a while.

Chunks of time: Stints on the court ran longer. Melo played into the 2nd to start, the starters were out longer and the bench guys would get longer chunks of time which meant they saw minutes with more mix of starters/bench players. It seemed to bode well for chemistry as the ball moved a bit more quickly.

Sasha got more mins than Lance and D-Will: :francis: I ain't a fan of this one. Sasha started by making a couple of decent plays but quickly devolved to chucking, dribbling too long and just overall being frustrating to watch. That said, the logic seemed to be that we were going small to compete with the floor stretching Wiz line-ups. As the game wore on we saw three guard sets more and more often which meant Lance and D-Will gave up their minutes. That said, Lance had a long stint in the first half to make his stamp and just couldn't get going. D-Will got a similar chunk in the second half and was a bit more effective in the offense but defensively rotations were always better with three guards. Still a thumbs down from me.

Sagging bigs continued: Not sure if by design or not. I say that because RoLo really sagged deep and it led to Wall hitting mid range shots...but that's always been the common strategy for him. You let him shoot and if he makes 'em you shrug because it's better than him driving. KP sagged on Dudley and gave up back to back 3's, then got benched...so sag when Wall drives, cool; sag off your shooter PF opponent, bad. That makes sense, and Rambis immediately talking to KP for a bit was a breath of fresh air. That said, our three point defense suffered with the defenders gravitating to the middle. It could just be the John Wall effect, could have been a scheme gone wrong and could be a bit of both...gotta see more games to take an honest guest.

Staying on guards hips: Our guards were still beat off picks, but it seemed like they made more effort to keep contact and stick to side by side attacks. What that means is instead of falling completely behind and trailing the play, guards were at least able to force a slasher to one side of the court or the other. In theory, this should help a bit, in practice it didn't last night. I'll hold judgement.

Plays were drawn at the end of the game: And they were effective! We came scary close to a five second violation on one of those plays, but it freed up KP for a lay-up. The two drawn up plays both got us buckets and thanks to the Wiz shooting FT's like a Highschool JV squad, it meant we had a wide open three point opportunity to tie the game at the end. It feels like more of the same in that we got down, came back and blew it late...but the play calls and TO use late felt more urgent at least. This is another "may or may not impact things going forward" but I think it has a better chance to be positive than negative.

Rambis all but acknowledged Calderon's a sieve in the post game: :gladbron:!!! Between this and Jose being moved to off ball floor spacer at the end, I'm optimistic that Galloway will be a starter shortly after the trade deadline. Rambis knows the importance of defense according to most...so his comments may have been spun to a positive for Calderon but his in game decisions and overall mentality give me some hope.

We still go flat: Started the game a bit flat, fourth quarter when Melo couldn't get going we got a bit flat again. That Rambis was able to draw up effective plays at times and make us productive again is promising, but that we need to use TO's because the players just can't seem to make that tipping point play is worrisome and feels like something nobody can fix but the players themselves.
 

Mr. Jack Napier

#MambaForever
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
43,710
Reputation
7,072
Daps
159,609
Reppin
The Empire State
I'll be mad as fukk if phil doesn't even try and get thibs just because of the triangle. He's by far the best coach available.

As of right now. Phil Jax already said he's staying with Rambis through the end of the season. And you already know their will be other teams in the offseason making a play for Thibs as well.
 

OsO

Souldier
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
5,065
Reputation
1,142
Daps
12,164
Reppin
Harlem
Life with Fish as head coach :mjcry:

Fish finally got fired :blessed:

Then Rambis was named replacement for rest of year :patrice:

But I decided to give him a fair shot :obama:

Watched the game last night, and saw Sasha and Seraphin come off the bench in the first half :snoop:


Back to :mjcry:

Edit: And Jose Calderon f*cking sucks... I don't care if he's a veteran guard... give that old man bench minutes and let those young bulls off the chain!
 

RickyGQ

No nikkas!
Supporter
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
15,602
Reputation
2,016
Daps
57,501
Reppin
NJ
My favorite part of last night was after the critical Galloway turnover, and him thinking he lost the game, Melo went over to him with a smile on his face and said something to keep him encouraged.

My least favorite part, Afflalo with his hands on his hips even as Galloway took the shot.
 

Miles Davis

Prince of Darkness
Joined
Jul 26, 2015
Messages
8,108
Reputation
2,060
Daps
35,429
Reppin
Bebop
My favorite part of last night was after the critical Galloway turnover, and him thinking he lost the game, Melo went over to him with a smile on his face and said something to keep him encouraged.

My least favorite part, Afflalo with his hands on his hips even as Galloway took the shot.
Yea, that part with melo was great. Between that and his mentoring with kp dude has been:salute:
 

KnickstapeCity

RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
Joined
Oct 11, 2013
Messages
32,828
Reputation
13,782
Daps
106,059
Reppin
New York
Judge Rambo off one game brehs:beli:

He did some things better, some things just as bad. I think we'll have a good idea within 5 or 6 games if he's gonna help us any or just continue the mediocrity.


258bf345_AlonzoMourningThinks.gif
 

NY's #1 Draft Pick

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
30,852
Reputation
6,680
Daps
100,785
Reppin
305
He's coached before.....and he was awful, last night just looked like a continuation of that pedigree.
This is one game. I think some of you are being unfair with the criticism as INTERIM coach. If you did watch the game you would actually see some plays being ran. You wanna bring up Minnesota and compare his awful stint to one game with the Knicks ? You're being pretty ridiculous right now.
 

Malta

Sweetwater
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
66,896
Reputation
15,149
Daps
279,738
Reppin
Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
This is one game. I think some of you are being unfair with the criticism as INTERIM coach. If you did watch the game you would actually see some plays being ran. You wanna bring up Minnesota and compare his awful stint to one game with the Knicks ? You're being pretty ridiculous right now.

So previous coaching history doesn't matter as long as he's now coaching the Knicks? @tremonthustler1 told you his defensive philosophy which played out last night with all them threes, go back and look at the stats for the Wolves, on a per game basis they gave up the 1st and 2nd most threes while he was coaching. And even on those poor Wolves teams his 2 years stick out like a sore thumb in regards to threes, they were the first time in Wolves history teams attempted 20+ threes against them :russ: and the following year after he was fired they defended the three much better.

He's an interim coach, I don't get why you're defending him as though he's going to be there long term, dude is a poor coach.
 
  • Dap
Reactions: TR7
Top