Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Broke Wave]

at y'all braggin' about a 10 point win against NY's bench. Congrats on y'all franchise high 10th win in a row. Y'all are a great team, no doubt.

Knicks looked great today. Didnt wanna go away at any time and played great defense

Always fukked with yall

 

[nyknick]

Why do they continue to waste timeouts to draw up an iso play for Afflalo?

Fisher can just yell that shyt to the players, doesn't even have to get up from his chair.

 

[JMurder]

Remember when I said Afflalo doesn't create shots for others...tonight glorified that statement

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Ain't got shyt to do with anything but I just felt like dropping this here.....

 

[Ironman]

Ain't got shyt to do with anything but I just felt like dropping this here.....

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

I didn't see the game, but it looked like Grant put up some decent numbers, so why is he getting dumped on? bad stretch in the game or something?

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I didn't see the game, but it looked like Grant put up some decent numbers, so why is he getting dumped on? bad stretch in the game or something?

I think he missed some clutch free throws. Anyway, I didn't think we win shyt this week anyway. Our team seems like they wanna pick and choose when they want to play hard.fisher still continues to make the same stupid mistakes and putting out inefficient lineups that don't show progress. I'm slowly going into idgaf mode with this team because I'm not trying to get my hopes up this season. I didn't think we'd be a contender but atleast make the offs. I'll just keep my standards low and if we decide to finally make that run then

 

[storyteller]

3 games out of the playoffs with 34 left to play. Season is far from ruined. That's just the usual anti-Knicks propaganda.

I feel you, but this was the stretch for us to make a run and put space between ourselves and the guys fighting for an 8th seed...with Melo healthy, 2-6 is at minimum 4-4 imo but I think it's probably better than that.

 

[storyteller]

Short Version: Three starters didn't play but really it was two starters because Galloway at least made a decent case for why he should start over Calderon. He wasn't spectacular defensively, but the team defense as a whole was surprisingly solid for most of the night, especially in a second to third quarter stretch. There were a lot of injuries, but Fisher perplexed me here. With three of his guys out, he still couldn't find more than 25 minutes to play RoLo while we got murdered on the boards. He let certain guys flounder; with KOQ getting enough minutes to go from bad to solid to doing way too much and ruining it...AA isolating against consistent athletic defensive minded guys who blocked him repeatedly...and Grant left with Sasha as the next best ball handler on the floor for a long stretch where he struggled as bad as any game we've seen. Shout out to the heart from these cats though, they played hard and kept the game within reach which is as much as you can ask for from a squad missing it's two best players against one of the top teams in the East (I'll be it a pretty clearly flawed squad).

AA: So the good is that he looked like he made more of a conscious effort to playmake for others at times. Defensively he wasn't glaringly bad like he had been in a couple of the previous games. He actually cut back on forced shots a bit too and did that in a game where he probably had the green light every time down. The bad was that he had no way of getting good looks against the more athletic wings that were guarding him. He must have been blocked 5 times last night, even on fade aways and step backs. 20 points on 7 of 17 and he only got 3 FTA's in spite of being an offensive focal point. He'd probably thrive off the bench against back-up defenders and in a position where he doesn't need to do too much other than score. His defense has been shaky, he's not a great playmaker and if he's not getting mismatches; he's gonna have a tough night. Coming off the bench would change that and he'd be able to placate some of the pressure to create for Grant.

RoLo: 7 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks in just 25 mins on 3-5 attempts. I spent all night wondering why he wasn't out there more. The guys was playing pretty well. He lost a couple of back door steals to sneaky double teams, but you can live with that when the guy is our only respectable presence inside and he's rebounding at a strong rate. I can't really hate much on him because I really felt he was head and shoulders above the other bigs and he could have used 10 more minutes to help us.

Galloway: This guy has gotten his swagger back. If he could just get the three point stroke back, his rights to a starting spot should be fairly undeniable. He's a better defender than Jose, though he got victimized in a mismatch against Derozan at points (the guy was just too big and athletic for LG). He won't blow you away with creativity, but he also won't hurt you with many forces. He really just made plays to keep the team in the game whenever out there. His long second half absences were glaring and he seemed to be one of the only composed players all night with the leaders in suits. 12, 4 boards and 2 assists in 31 mins. It's not a crazy standout stat-line, but you had to watch to feel his impact fully. I'm really excited to see what he can do with a true start; as in getting good minutes with KP and Melo opening everything up and taking the pressure to do it all off of him.

Lance: Another guy who did well with his minutes but seemed to be forgotten on the bench, or maybe rested since he had soreness take him out of some games recently? He still ain't creating for anyone but himself and he's an absolute bust on the boards; but he's a quality wing defender on a team that needs that and that horrendous looking floater goes in at a comically effective rate. I laugh just thinking about how pissed other team fans would be watching him nab an and-one off that ugly thing but it happens to 'em all like D-Will dunking or KP with the putback. 7 and 2 but he's another guy who outplayed his stat-line.

KOQ: This isn't the Knick who should get 13 attempts when players are injured. But he was put into a central role as our post guy pretty often. He forced a lot and it was pretty frustrating, he's still pretty damned slow on rotations but he mixed in some fun moments. The guy is actually pretty solid in elbow and baseline face ups, where his passing is the big difference maker. He's able to hit the midrange when given too much space too. He really should limit the post ups though and his defense has to get better. There's potential there, but he needs the mental game to improve.

Grant: I thought he was holding his own up until he missed two FT's in a row. His mental game drained entirely there and he really struggled to get it back. He had bad TO's, was afraid to pull the trigger and couldn't get whistles on contact when he drove. What I liked was that he fought, probably because he had to. The kid was out there with a squad of Sasha/Dwill/Amundson/Seraphin...that's a recipe for disaster no matter what PG is in unless they feel like giving it to Dwill and running away (since at least he'll try to draw a foul and won't just give the rock back). He closed strong, but doing numbers in meaningless minutes ain't gonna cut it. The tools are there and with reps, I'm still confident in this one.

Seraphin: Played 15 minutes which is about 10 too many imo when RoLo only rocks for 25. Wasn't terrible, but didn't do anything that I deemed worth typing about either.

D-Will: When he's matched in the athleticism department, he tends to have more trouble. That happened last night. He couldn't get the fouls or breakaways that have helped in previous match-ups. He also didn't have the rebounding tenacity of previous games.

Lou: He really shouldn't be out there if the other big isn't a stretch player. That's not his fault, he just doesn't have range or ball handling to space the floor. He's a big hustle guy, and that means spot minutes as the man in the middle...not the second big who floats outside the paint. Set up to fail...and I'd be fine trashing his game, but he really didn't stand a chance here.

Sasha: Had the second worst +/- last night even though he was 5/10 for 13 points. That's because his defensive play is seriously ugly. He's not a good passer, he looks for his shot as much or more than AA and outside of being pretty good at chasing rebounds...he could make 10 3 pointers and still be a frustrating player to watch out there. What's worse is that Fish now has justification to try and force feed this dude to rotations; like he tried when Melo went from a good 27 minute game to a nightmare 52 minutes that saw him limp off the floor and never look right since.

Fish: Some of the weirdest personnel combinations I've seen. No semblance of spacing was considered at times. LG rested too much, RoLo needed more minutes, KOQ and Grant needed to be pulled aside and spoken to at times...just things I didn't like. He had another TO to close a quarter that wound up being an AA isolation instead of any kind of creative play. Idk, he had shown improvement in early January but you take Melo off the floor and I think he flounders as bad as Grant without a second ball handler to alleviate him.

Random: The Raptors look to me, like a team that won't sustain it in the post season...idk, nothing about their play is aesthetically pleasing unless Derozan gets driving space.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Porzingis' agent steered him away from Sixers before draft
by William Lou Jan 29, 11:58 AM


The New York Knicks might have never drafted Kristaps Porzingis if it weren't for the efforts of his agent, Andy Miller.

Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Miller gave the rebuilding Philadelphia 76ers the cold shoulder prior to last summer's draft.

Sixers general manager Sam Hinkie made multiple trips overseas to scout Porzingis throughout the 2014-15 season, but when it came time for pre-draft workouts, Hinkie was kept at a distance.

The Sixers were denied a workout, a sit-down, and even a physical for the 7-foot-3 Latvian sensation. It resulted in a tense moment between Miller and Hinkie during a private workout for Porzingis in front of a host of general managers in Las Vegas.

"You said that I would get a meeting with him here," Hinkie told Miller.

"I said, 'I'd try,' and it's not going to work out, Sam," Miller responded.

Miller couldn't stop the Sixers from drafting Porzingis, though. He wanted to guide his client to New York - Porzingis' dream destination - and by withholding enough information, the Sixers ultimately drafted Jahlil Okafor instead.

It's unclear why Miller played kept the Sixers out of the mix.

The Los Angeles Lakers, owners of the second pick, were granted a workout with Porzingis, so it couldn't have been that Porzingis only wanted to go to New York. Perhaps the dour reputation of Hinkie's aggressive rebuild, or the glut of frontcourt players already in place in Philadelphia, pushed Miller and Porzingis to look beyond the City of Brotherly Love.

Porzingis went on to lead a revival for the Knicks at the Garden whereas the Sixers, despite an improved showing following the arrival of Ish Smith, own the worst record in the league at 7-40.







Porzingis' agent steered him away from Sixers before draft

 

[I.V.]

Speaking of Comic book characters...

I'm going to to take the bat signal out and ask for the perspective of one of this forum's sages...

@I.V. Thoughts on Jeff Teague and, if you think he'd be a positive addition to the Knicks, what would you give up for him?

This is hard for me, because I think Teague is a good player, but after next season he's going to be VERY expensive to keep.

I would be open to trading for him, as long as it's not mortgaging the future. Which kind of makes me wonder what we could give them. I don't want to give up future 1st's, Maybe some accumulated 2nds? Seraphin, Lance, (Obviously Jose) -- all of those guys. People seem to have soured on a guy like Jerian Grant already... so maybe some of you would be willing to make the swap of 4 years of Grant's growth for a season and a half (maybe) of Teague? I think that's a judgement you have to make on your own.

I don't necessarily see Jeff Teague as the kind of player that will drastically change the direction of our team. That being said, he IS a talent, and this team has a lack of talented individual players. He's shooting nearly 40% from 3 this year...right now, that looks like an outlier, but if was at like 38ish for the next year or two... that is a big improvement, because it is combined with a guy that can create off the dribble.

So it is hard for me to say... we don't have a ton of pieces that I consider untouchable, but I also don't want to be in the position of giving up a future 1st and two future 2nds for a guy that might be gone after next season.

I also REALLY don't believe they should give up Hernangomez's rights. He's big, skilled, and can do all of the things we LIKE that amundson does (effort, hustle, throw his body around) except he can also score well out of the PnR, and knows how to move off the ball, constantly toward the hoop, constantly finishing through contact. Plus he's young and cheap, man. YOUNG. AND. CHEAP.

If they ended up packaging Calderon and Jerian Grant (or a similar set of pieces) for Teague, I think that's a reasonable deal. But I do think it is important to remember that he's gonna be 28 this summer, when we go to re-sign him - in the MOST EXPENSIVE FREE AGENT PERIOD IN HISTORY- he'll be 29 and looking for a 4-5 year deal at 18+ million per.

That is the same summer that Steph Curry and Russell Westbrook will be free agents. And Blake Griffin, and a bunch of other restricted players (Gobert/Giannis/etc)

So my short answer is I like Teague, and I think the Knicks should pursue him. My longer answer is - while they should pursue him, they should not overpay for him now, because you have to overpay for him again in a year and a half.

But as a guy who just wants to watch the knicks play well right now... it's hard to not beg them to pull the trigger.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

If the Knicks continue to lose ... Blake for Melo might actually become a thing by the Trade Deadline

 

[RickyGQ]

Porzingis' agent steered him away from Sixers before draft
by William Lou Jan 29, 11:58 AM


The New York Knicks might have never drafted Kristaps Porzingis if it weren't for the efforts of his agent, Andy Miller.

Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Miller gave the rebuilding Philadelphia 76ers the cold shoulder prior to last summer's draft.

Sixers general manager Sam Hinkie made multiple trips overseas to scout Porzingis throughout the 2014-15 season, but when it came time for pre-draft workouts, Hinkie was kept at a distance.

The Sixers were denied a workout, a sit-down, and even a physical for the 7-foot-3 Latvian sensation. It resulted in a tense moment between Miller and Hinkie during a private workout for Porzingis in front of a host of general managers in Las Vegas.

"You said that I would get a meeting with him here," Hinkie told Miller.

"I said, 'I'd try,' and it's not going to work out, Sam," Miller responded.

Miller couldn't stop the Sixers from drafting Porzingis, though. He wanted to guide his client to New York - Porzingis' dream destination - and by withholding enough information, the Sixers ultimately drafted Jahlil Okafor instead.

It's unclear why Miller played kept the Sixers out of the mix.

The Los Angeles Lakers, owners of the second pick, were granted a workout with Porzingis, so it couldn't have been that Porzingis only wanted to go to New York. Perhaps the dour reputation of Hinkie's aggressive rebuild, or the glut of frontcourt players already in place in Philadelphia, pushed Miller and Porzingis to look beyond the City of Brotherly Love.

Porzingis went on to lead a revival for the Knicks at the Garden whereas the Sixers, despite an improved showing following the arrival of Ish Smith, own the worst record in the league at 7-40.







Porzingis' agent steered him away from Sixers before draft

Does the NBA have an Agent of the Year award?

 

[puggle]

They need this game bad tonight. Please Robert Randolph, no bad juju for one Friday night

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

If the Knicks continue to lose ... Blake for Melo might actually become a thing by the Trade Deadline