Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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I'm going to be tight as fukk if in 7 years, Melo is not being presented with his jersey hung in the rafters with Porzingis standing by his side giving him a speech of thanks for helping him in this leage.


:francis: wonder if the NY media hacks will jump on the "When I'm by myself" thing.
 

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Lance Thomas hasn't been good for a while now. He's been solid thanks to hustle and defense, but he has been mired in a shooting slump that he's somewhat hidden by having one hot quarter in a couple of games to pick up the FG% to respectable.
Can't disagree about Thomas, he's unfortunately playing the way he did back in December. I don't think he's really doing anything different, the shots just aren't falling.

I think I'd switch up the bench rotations a bit and have Williams be the first man off the bench instead of Thomas. He could be a complete non factor sometimes in a grind it out halfcourt game but the easy transition points he can get for the team are just valuable. He's the one guy who consistently runs the floor and can finish.
 

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:francis: wonder if the NY media hacks will jump on the "When I'm by myself" thing.

They sure as hell would if Melo had said it about KP and used it to indict Phil. I think in this case it's a rookie giving big praise to his leader, so they'll leave it be.

Can't disagree about Thomas, he's unfortunately playing the way he did back in December. I don't think he's really doing anything different, the shots just aren't falling.

I think I'd switch up the bench rotations a bit and have Williams be the first man off the bench instead of Thomas. He could be a complete non factor sometimes in a grind it out halfcourt game but the easy transition points he can get for the team are just valuable. He's the one guy who consistently runs the floor and can finish.

The other factor of Williams' game that is oft overlooked is that his ability to draw fouls means potentially getting opposing F's into foul trouble. There's an added value there. Lance when he's playing top notch defense can make a player a non-factor offensively (but key word is "when" because even his defense has gotten exaggerated), but if D-Will is drawing fouls he can literally take a player off the floor the way that Sullinger took KP off the floor the other night.
 

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Eastern Conference

Frontcourt:

1 LeBron James (Cle) 830,345
2 Paul George (Ind) 569,947
3 Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 368,336
4 Andre Drummond (Det) 361,307
5 Pau Gasol (Chi) 294,172
6 Chris Bosh (Mia) 266,817
7 Kristaps Porzingis (NYK) 248,783
8 Kevin Love (Cle) 241,700
9 Hassan Whiteside (Mia) 226,039
10 Giannis Antetokounmpo (Mil) 60,953
11 Jonas Valanciunas (Tor) 45,743
12 Marcin Gortat (Was) 34,747
13 Joakim Noah (Chi) 34,274
14 DeMarre Carroll (Tor) 31,861
15 Paul Millsap (Atl) 29,576

Guards:

1 Dwyane Wade (Mia) 736,732
2 Kyrie Irving (Cle) 399,757
3 Kyle Lowry (Tor) 367,472
4 Jimmy Butler (Chi) 356,561
5 John Wall (Was) 281,936
6 DeMar DeRozan (Tor) 262,683
7 Derrick Rose (Chi) 217,986
8 Jeremy Lin (Cha) 155,475
9 Isaiah Thomas (Bos) 111,838
10 Reggie Jackson (Det) 57,736

Western Conference


Frontcourt:

1 Kobe Bryant (LAL) 1,533,432
2 Kevin Durant (OKC) 774,782
3 Draymond Green (GS) 499,947
4 Kawhi Leonard (SA) 487,626
5 Blake Griffin (LAC) 396,630
6 Anthony Davis (NO) 326,070
7 Tim Duncan (SA) 303,498
8 Zaza Pachulia (Dal) 299,584
9 DeMarcus Cousins (Sac) 267,087
10 Enes Kanter (OKC) 261,608
11 LaMarcus Aldridge (SA) 176,956
12 Dwight Howard (Hou) 155,975
13 DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 133,484
14 Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 128,962
15 Harrison Barnes (GS) 113,607

Guards:

1 Stephen Curry (GS) 1,206,467
2 Russell Westbrook (OKC) 609,901
3 Chris Paul (LAC) 410,284
4 Klay Thompson (GS) 386,053
5 James Harden (Hou) 319,596
6 Rajon Rondo (Sac) 157,298
7 Manu Ginobili (SA) 144,712
8 Andre Iguodala (GS) 142,047
9 Tony Parker (SA) 123,136
10 Damian Lillard (Por) 105,797
 
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not trying to bring hate or anything into yall's thread, but melo doesn't really deserve to get the start over Drummond. :mjcry:


I know Drummond will make it in anyways, but a guy averaging 18/16 should get in. Oh well, Melo should still be fun in the game.
 

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I'm going to be tight as fukk if in 7 years, Melo is not being presented with his jersey hung in the rafters with Porzingis standing by his side giving him a speech of thanks for helping him in this league.
honestly with the way melo been playing it was obvious that he was/is "the guy" who helps smooth the offense out. Plus he's the person who shows the most faith in porzingis.

But I noticed it after he left the game against the Celtics, ball movement slowed to a halt and the rhythm was just off.
 

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I'm going to be tight as fukk if in 7 years, Melo is not being presented with his jersey hung in the rafters with Porzingis standing by his side giving him a speech of thanks for helping him in this league.


This pretty much confirms that Melo makes the game easier for Porz, and that trading away Melo & building around Porz right now would be dumb.

*EDIT* We got Melo starting in the all-star game, we did it :wow: #KnicksToThe6
 

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I hate TrashSPN, but there's an interest in this topic, so here's a pretty good article on it:

Loss to Nets shows how important Carmelo Anthony is to Kristaps Porzingis

“None of this is to suggest Porzingis can't survive without Anthony. Two of the rookie's best games this season have come with Anthony sidelined (24 points, 14 rebounds, 7 blocks vs. Houston and 23 points, 13 rebounds and 4 assists vs. Cleveland).

But on Wednesday, Anthony's absence allowed Brooklyn to focus its defense on Porzingis.

"I could feel the pressure from the beginning," he said afterward. "They were really getting into my jersey and playing tighter defense."

Thaddeus Young wouldn't leave the rookie alone. With Anthony out, Young -- and the rest of the Nets' front line -- didn't have to.

Thirteen of Porzingis' 17 shots [75%] were taken with a defender within 3.5 feet of him Wednesday, per NBA.com. (For perspective here, 55 percent of Porzingis' attempts this season have been taken with a defender at least within four feet of him).

Would things have been different if Anthony were out there? Probably.

"He kind of creates a lot of situations for us. He has the ball. He's getting the defense to be tighter and we can get wide-open shots," Porzingis said. "... I could tell the difference between when Melo's on the court and when I'm by myself or with Arron [Afflalo] or Derrick [Williams]. I got to be ready for that."

The truth is, Porzingis doesn't really have to be ready for that. Anthony probably will be back on the court Saturday against Memphis. And, if the Knicks are lucky, the star forward will be relatively healthy for the rest of the season.

So Porzingis doesn't have to get used to life without Anthony just yet. Nights like Wednesday show just how much the rookie needs him.”

Before all this, he uses a lot of on/off court stats that I consider misleading for reasons I've noted ad-naseum, but if you wanna read the whole thing anyway, go here: Loss to Nets shows how important Carmelo Anthony is to Kristaps Porzingis
 

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Boston won last night, but Toronto is punking Orlando right now. Orlando has lost 5 of their last 6 and Boston has lost 4 of their last 6. I hope it's not just fatigue, injury, or some other unsustainable reason with those 2 teams and NY can beat 1 of them for that 8th spot.
 
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Let's keep voting!!!! :damn: :damn:


#KnicksToThe6


Eastern Conference

Frontcourt:

1 LeBron James (Cle) 830,345
2 Paul George (Ind) 569,947
3 Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 368,336
4 Andre Drummond (Det) 361,307
5 Pau Gasol (Chi) 294,172
6 Chris Bosh (Mia) 266,817
7 Kristaps Porzingis (NYK) 248,783
8 Kevin Love (Cle) 241,700
9 Hassan Whiteside (Mia) 226,039
10 Giannis Antetokounmpo (Mil) 60,953
11 Jonas Valanciunas (Tor) 45,743
12 Marcin Gortat (Was) 34,747
13 Joakim Noah (Chi) 34,274
14 DeMarre Carroll (Tor) 31,861
15 Paul Millsap (Atl) 29,576

Guards:

1 Dwyane Wade (Mia) 736,732
2 Kyrie Irving (Cle) 399,757
3 Kyle Lowry (Tor) 367,472
4 Jimmy Butler (Chi) 356,561
5 John Wall (Was) 281,936
6 DeMar DeRozan (Tor) 262,683
7 Derrick Rose (Chi) 217,986
8 Jeremy Lin (Cha) 155,475
9 Isaiah Thomas (Bos) 111,838
10 Reggie Jackson (Det) 57,736

Western Conference


Frontcourt:

1 Kobe Bryant (LAL) 1,533,432
2 Kevin Durant (OKC) 774,782
3 Draymond Green (GS) 499,947
4 Kawhi Leonard (SA) 487,626
5 Blake Griffin (LAC) 396,630
6 Anthony Davis (NO) 326,070
7 Tim Duncan (SA) 303,498
8 Zaza Pachulia (Dal) 299,584
9 DeMarcus Cousins (Sac) 267,087
10 Enes Kanter (OKC) 261,608
11 LaMarcus Aldridge (SA) 176,956
12 Dwight Howard (Hou) 155,975
13 DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 133,484
14 Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 128,962
15 Harrison Barnes (GS) 113,607

Guards:

1 Stephen Curry (GS) 1,206,467
2 Russell Westbrook (OKC) 609,901
3 Chris Paul (LAC) 410,284
4 Klay Thompson (GS) 386,053
5 James Harden (Hou) 319,596
6 Rajon Rondo (Sac) 157,298
7 Manu Ginobili (SA) 144,712
8 Andre Iguodala (GS) 142,047
9 Tony Parker (SA) 123,136
10 Damian Lillard (Por) 105,797


:wow: :wow:

4 more days before the voting ends!

Let's keep voting til then!

:damn: :damn:

not trying to bring hate or anything into yall's thread, but melo doesn't really deserve to get the start over Drummond. :mjcry:


I know Drummond will make it in anyways, but a guy averaging 18/16 should get in. Oh well, Melo should still be fun in the game.


Kick rocks, fakkit :camby:
 

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So is Melo a leader or not? :ohhh:

Cause all I ever was he's not a leader, only Chandler and Amar'e were
Melo is a leader.

He's always maintained that.

Instead of screaming at people on the court and making it public, he spoke softly in private.

There is a reason why he's so beloved by players across the association. I'm actually surprised he never mad a run at being head of the NBPA.
 
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