Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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"One of the most common complaints echoed by many fans of the New York Knicks is that Carmelo Anthony "never gets any calls."

In other words: There is a rather widely-held belief among the Knicks faithful that Anthony is not as favored by referees as some of his superstar peers. So let's put that to the test.

In the space below, we're going to investigate this claim to see whether or not it has any merit, and if it does, why that might be the case.

What We Will (And Won't) Be Using
Before we get started, it's important to note that this investigation will not include any videos or screenshots of missed calls, followed by a loud proclamation that, "[INSERT STAR PLAYER HERE] WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE GOTTEN THAT CALL!"

First of all, it's impossible to prove. Second of all, it's even more impossible to disprove. Once that thought is in your head, neither I nor anybody else will ever be able to convince you otherwise. Third of all, it's anecdotal evidence, and that's not the best way to go about this type of investigation (because, as some studies have shown, there is a larger chance that anecdotal evidence may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative examples).

Besides, you can grab any number of videos or screenshots of calls that should have been, but weren't made for nearly any star player in the league. It's just as common an issue for Cleveland Cavaliers fans and scribes and LeBron James, for example, and LeBron is often one of the players used in the [INSERT STAR PLAYER HERE] exclamation from above.

Refs can't call everything, after all.

Instead, we're going to look at how often the Knicks' franchise player does get calls, relative to his star peers around the league. If he comes up lacking in that area, we're going to search for explanations.

Defining 'Superstar'
First thing's first: We have to come up with a sample to compare Melo's foul-drawing to. It's a subjective term, but one that is important to hammer down early so we know what our basis is for argument purposes.

Being that the league's top scorers are the players most often considered stars by fans, that seems like a fair group to use. It's not the only way to define a star in this league, but it is one of the more common—especially as it pertains to drawing fouls.

In every statistic cited below, we'll be comparing Anthony's foul-drawing capabilities to that of the other 29 players in the league's top 30 in points per game as of Thursday, Jan. 7.

So, how does Carmelo compare to his peers? Let's use a few different ways to measure fouls.

The Numbers
This season, Anthony has drawn an average of 4.6 fouls per game, per NBA.com's media statistics database (subscription required), the 18th highest mark in the group. Regularizing the foul-drawing stat per 36 minutes to account for the different playing time loads each player has shouldered, Carmelo's total moves to 4.8 fouls, per the same database, which bumps him up one slot to 17th among this group of 30 players.

By way of comparison, DeMarcus Cousins leads the group with 8.3 fouls drawn per game. He's joined in the top five by James Harden (7.3), Anthony Davis (5.7), LeBron James (5.7) and Blake Griffin (5.6).

Cousins also leads with 9.0 fouls drawn per 36, and he's joined by Harden (6.9), Griffin (5.8), Russell Westbrook (5.8) and both James and Isaiah Thomas (5.7).

The average for the group is 4.7 fouls per game and 4.9 fouls per 36 minutes, putting Anthony's figures slightly below average. His per-game rate is on par with players like Damian Lillard (4.7) and Kevin Durant (4.5), while his per 36 rate is comparable to Stephen Curry (5.0) and Brook Lopez (4.6).

Not all players get the ball as often during games, or hold onto it for quite as long when they do get it. It stands to reason that the more often you have the ball, the more chances you have to draw a foul. Using the SportVU player tracking data from NBA.com, we can adjust Anthony's fouls drawn totals for both his number of touches and his time of possession.

Adjusting Anthony's fouls drawn totals for his number of touches per game, he draws a foul once every 14.1 touches, 13th best among the group. Adjusting his fouls drawn totals for how many seconds the ball is actually in his hands during a given game, Anthony draws a foul once every 41.7 seconds of possession, which also ranks 13th.

By way of comparison, the top five of in touches per foul drawn is made up of Cousins (7.6), Andrew Wiggins (8.7), Harden (11.4), Jimmy Butler (12.0) and Lopez (12.1). The top five in seconds of possession per foul drawn is Cousins (15.2), Davis (20.0), Wiggins (21.5), Lopez (21.8) and Paul Millsap (21.2).

The average for the group is 16.3 touches per foul drawn and 59.0 seconds of possession per foul drawn, putting Anthony slightly above average in the former category and pretty firmly above average in the latter. His touches per foul drawn rate is on par with that of James (13.2) and Kawhi Leonard (14.7) while his seconds of possession per foul drawn rate is comparable to Butler (41.1) and exactly equal to that of Klay Thompson (41.7).

Of course, not all fouls are created equal. Fans generally don't care much about non-shooting fouls. They care about the fouls that result in their team's star heading to the free-throw line.

By multiplying Anthony's 5.8 free-throws per game (15th among this group) by 0.44 (the common estimator for shooting fouls used by Basketball-Reference, among other sites) and dividing that figure by his total number of fouls drawn, we can figure out what percentage of Anthony's fouls drawn have sent him to the line.

Using this calculation, we discover that 55.5 percent of the fouls drawn by Carmelo this season have been shooting fouls. The top five is made up of DeMar DeRozan (68.4 percent), Durant (66.5 percent), Wiggins (62.3 percent), Harden (62.1 percent) and Butler (61.1 percent).

Melo's rate ranks 14th among the group, slightly above the sample average of 54.8 percent and on par with players like Chris Bosh (56.1 percent) and Curry (55.2 percent).

Of course, since free throws are what fans care more about, we can adjust the figures for touches and seconds of possession as well. Here, Anthony ranks 12th (touches per free-throw attempt) and 13th (seconds of possession per free-throw attempt), basically on par with where he ranked in those stats when adjusted for fouls drawn.

This makes sense, given that he's been slightly above average at turning fouls into free-throws.

What Does It All Mean?
At this point, we can determine that Carmelo has drawn fouls this season at a rate that is basically average for a top scorer. He doesn't rank in the top 10 in any of the measurements above, but he doesn't rank in the bottom 10 in any of them, either. In fact, he ranks between 12th and 18th in every one of them. That's three spots on either side of average.

This naturally invites the question of why he doesn't rank higher. Why isn't he in that top 10?

After running correlations for a few different statistics (dribbles per touch and three-point rate both had slight negative correlations to fouls drawn and free-throw attempts within the sample, but Anthony ranked low in those stats anyway so he wasn't negatively affected; seconds per touch had basically no correlation at all and Carmelo ranked low relative to the rest of the sample there as well), there was one that finally popped

Shot location.

More than anything else, both fouls drawn and free-throw attempts were closely correlated with the percentage of a player's shots that come within five feet of the rim. This makes perfect sense. We know, per a study done by 82games.com, that 90 percent of fouls and 62 percent of shooting fouls occur in the paint, and that shooting fouls are more likely to occur close to the rim.

Only 26.8 percent of Anthony's shots this season have been attempted within five feet of the rim, per NBA.com. That figure ranks 21st among the top 30 scorers in the league, on par with Brandon Knight (27.1 percent) and Curry (25.7 percent), and 4.7 percent below the sample average of 31.5 percent of shots.

Want To Draw More Fouls? Here's How
Basically, what it comes down to is this: Most fouls occur on shot attempts close to the rim.

Anthony doesn't take very many shots near the rim; therefore, the 31-year-old doesn't draw quite as many fouls as other players who spend more time near the basket.

This is hammered home by the fact that the 31-year-old has drawn 0.96 fouls per shot attempt within five feet of the rim, tied for the ninth-highest rate of the 30 players in the sample. The top five comprises George (1.46), Hayward (1.39), Harden (1.20), Bosh (1.14) and Kyle Lowry (1.10). (For what it's worth, LeBron ranks 30th, at 0.61. Maybe he really is the one that gets robbed.)

It's worth nothing that this is the only foul-drawing statistic in which Melo ranks inside the top 10, and it's the most closely correlated to foul-drawing itself. It stands to reason, then, that if Anthony simply attempted to get near the basket more often, he'd wind up drawing more fouls.

Barring that, he seems likely to get calls at a merely average rate for a top scoring star. This should at least give Knicks fans the numbers they need to back their collective stance.

Just remember how much better the stance would be if the superstar spent more time at the rim at this point in his career.

*Statistics are accurate heading into NBA games on Thursday, Jan. 7.

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Our X factors tonight will be AA being able score & controlling the boards. He should be able to post up Green & take advantage of that matchup. Also our bench particularly Dwill needs to have a good game. No switching on defense either which will open up SA's 3pt game & they'll shred us from there if they get going.

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Honestly,

Attack the basket...Attack the Basket...Attack the Basket...

Post Ups & Pick & Rolls...

Then talk jumpers.

This is a game against a top tier team with NO HOME LOSES.


Let's win this shyt. Or keep it respectable.

Great post. Especially the bolded. All I ask from SA is please don't blow them out :sadcam: ............and by all means, lose the game. :sas1::ld:
 
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"One of the most common complaints echoed by many fans of the New York Knicks is that Carmelo Anthony "never gets any calls."
What Does It All Mean?
At this point, we can determine that Carmelo has drawn fouls this season at a rate that is basically average for a top scorer. He doesn't rank in the top 10 in any of the measurements above, but he doesn't rank in the bottom 10 in any of them, either. In fact, he ranks between 12th and 18th in every one of them. That's three spots on either side of average.

This naturally invites the question of why he doesn't rank higher. Why isn't he in that top 10?

After running correlations for a few different statistics (dribbles per touch and three-point rate both had slight negative correlations to fouls drawn and free-throw attempts within the sample, but Anthony ranked low in those stats anyway so he wasn't negatively affected; seconds per touch had basically no correlation at all and Carmelo ranked low relative to the rest of the sample there as well), there was one that finally popped

Shot location.

More than anything else, both fouls drawn and free-throw attempts were closely correlated with the percentage of a player's shots that come within five feet of the rim. This makes perfect sense. We know, per a study done by 82games.com, that 90 percent of fouls and 62 percent of shooting fouls occur in the paint, and that shooting fouls are more likely to occur close to the rim.

Only 26.8 percent of Anthony's shots this season have been attempted within five feet of the rim, per NBA.com. That figure ranks 21st among the top 30 scorers in the league, on par with Brandon Knight (27.1 percent) and Curry (25.7 percent), and 4.7 percent below the sample average of 31.5 percent of shots.

Want To Draw More Fouls? Here's How
Basically, what it comes down to is this: Most fouls occur on shot attempts close to the rim.

Anthony doesn't take very many shots near the rim; therefore, the 31-year-old doesn't draw quite as many fouls as other players who spend more time near the basket.

This is hammered home by the fact that the 31-year-old has drawn 0.96 fouls per shot attempt within five feet of the rim, tied for the ninth-highest rate of the 30 players in the sample. The top five comprises George (1.46), Hayward (1.39), Harden (1.20), Bosh (1.14) and Kyle Lowry (1.10). (For what it's worth, LeBron ranks 30th, at 0.61. Maybe he really is the one that gets robbed.)

It's worth nothing that this is the only foul-drawing statistic in which Melo ranks inside the top 10, and it's the most closely correlated to foul-drawing itself. It stands to reason, then, that if Anthony simply attempted to get near the basket more often, he'd wind up drawing more fouls.

Barring that, he seems likely to get calls at a merely average rate for a top scoring star. This should at least give Knicks fans the numbers they need to back their collective stance.

Just remember how much better the stance would be if the superstar spent more time at the rim at this point in his career.

*Statistics are accurate heading into NBA games on Thursday, Jan. 7.

Does Carmelo Get 'Superstar Calls'?

No offense, but the whole article is nonsense and the author doesn't watch NY's games. It isn't about "Superstar calls", "shot location", and nothing else. How they gonna try to tell 'Melo how to get calls when he often gets knocked to the ground, headband knocked off or sideways with no call? Other kats, all you have to do is breathe on them and they get a call. All they have to do is drive or flop and they get a call.
 

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No offense, but the whole article is nonsense and the author doesn't watch NY's games. It isn't about "Superstar calls", "shot location", and nothing else. How they gonna try to tell 'Melo how to get calls when he often gets knocked to the ground, headband knocked off or sideways with no call? Other kats, all you have to do is breathe on them and they get a call. All they have to do is drive or flop and they get a call.

None taken because I didn't agree with parts of it as well. I compare Melo to how the refs reffed Shaq back in the day (to a smaller degree). Both are physical players that didn't get calls at times because of that.
 

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Both Tommy Beer and Chris Herring are trash. Beer called a wide open shot off a screen that 'Melo took a force:

Herring said, "when 'Melo's not scoring, he's not helping his team". He said all 'Melo does is score. He wrote a back-handed article showing that 'Melo passes, but tried to downplay that part and claimed he doesn't pass. It's called "Assisted Living May Not Be Best for Melo": Assisted Living May Not Be Best for Melo

He wrote a back-handed article about 'Melo's defense with a back-handed title called "Carmelo Anthony Is Among NBA's Best Defenders—but Are the Numbers Lying?"

@ThomasCDee on Twitter is always having to defend 'Melo and the Knicks to Herring. Tommy even went to far as to call him anti-Knicks.
 
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None taken because I didn't agree with parts of it as well. I compare Melo to how the refs reffed Shaq back in the day (to a smaller degree). Both are physical players that didn't get calls at times because of that.

Shaq averages over 9 fta's per game for his career (and not because of "hack-a-Shaq"), so no it's not because 'Melo is physical. That's the excuse the league wants people to believe. He's been treated much worse in NY than in Denver. And it's gotten progressively worse. He didn't used to be knocked down with his headband flying off with no call. It's because he's the only one in the East whose skills make the guy they're pushing (Lj) look bad. Paul George has only shot above 44% once in his career, so he's not a threat, and everyone else is in the West. So, the idea is to bury 'Melo's abilities by any means necessary. That means, treat him like he's so trash that he doesn't deserve fair calls, let alone, Superstar ones, demonize his abilities by twisting his ability to make tough shots into "he takes bad shots" narratives, etc. They don't say that when Lj takes shots off of one foot. They worship him for it. They worship KD for shooting over double-teams, but Breen called it a bad shot when 'Melo did it against the bulls in 2012 when 'Melo hit the game-winners in regulation and OT. I've been waiting all my life for someone to explain to me how a 45% career shooter "takes bad shoots". If 'Melo "takes bad shots", then tell me what kind of shots Paul George takes.

They lie on him and say he doesn't pass. They lie and say all he does is score. Clyde said he "only" averages 3 assists. They never said that about KD and most of the time, that's all he averages. Same with Dirk. They lie and say he doesn't play defense. Breen and others are even lying this season about that. They say nothing about KD's and Curry's trash defense. They train you to worship those 2. They (Breen) attribute 'Melo rebounding to strength and not effort, even though he has more offensive rebounds than KD and Lj combined. When they showed that he passed someone in scoring in the Detroit game, Clyde immediately said, he's not great because he hasn't won, so that we wouldn't think much of him breaking the records of legends. Then Breen went into this lecture about how the "he's not great because he hasn't won" narrative only applies to 'Melo and not Ewing because 'Melo "only" went to the WCF once and not the Finals. He said 'Melo isn't and has never been good enough to lead his team to a ch'ip. Cylde indirectly said 'Melo doesn't wanna be on a winning team because he hasn't jumped ship to one like Lj did and didn't give up 11 million dollars like West did, even though 'Melo gave up much more than 11 million by giving up 5 million in cash and not renegotiating his contract when the cap will go up twice. He's locked in for 4 years. There's more, but I've made my point.
 
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Before we get started, it's important to note that this investigation will not include any videos or screenshots of missed calls, followed by a loud proclamation that, "[INSERT STAR PLAYER HERE] WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE GOTTEN THAT CALL!"

Article loses all merit right there. No two shots are the same, so measuring by FGA's, distance of FGA's and total fouls/Free Throws is a nice statistical play but is similar to taking total seasons played, total number of rings and concluding that Robert Horry is top 5 all time.
 

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Should there be a Knicks-Spurs game thread... @NY's #1 Draft Pick @KnickstapeCity ? :lupe:

Nothing would be better than a bunch of bums coming in to troll about how bad the knicks are and the Knicks keeping it close or actually winning. :blessed:

No Cowboys in Latvia, Those Spurs are Useless Knicks-Spurs Game Thread
 

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Article loses all merit right there. No two shots are the same, so measuring by FGA's, distance of FGA's and total fouls/Free Throws is a nice statistical play but is similar to taking total seasons played, total number of rings and concluding that Robert Horry is top 5 all time.

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Should there be a Knicks-Spurs game thread... @NY's #1 Draft Pick @KnickstapeCity ? :lupe:

Nothing would be better than a bunch of bums coming in to troll about how bad the knicks are and the Knicks keeping it close or actually winning. :blessed:

No Cowboys in Latvia, Those Spurs are Useless Knicks-Spurs Game Thread
I don't think so breh. Let's keep it in our thread I don't think we deserve any game threads yet. We're not there. That's a dope thread title though.
 
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