Probably the best "Black in America" article I ever read...

[Spin]

booker t washington's vision was shortsighted and self-destructive. how can we possibly pull ourselves up from bootstraps when we're not even allowed to wear boots?

Before I answer that, let me ask you something. In the last 50 years what have we accomplished as a community besides being able to sit down in a restaurant with next to a white person?

Booker T was ahead of the game and it's sad that he isn't more talked about today. This same guy was going to the richest men of the day (Rockefeller, etc) and getting funding for his school. I remember reading in his book the difference in the kids that went to his school vs a black school in DC I believe it was. The kids at his school had hands on training besides just book knowledge. When he interacted with the kids from DC, they didn't wan't to get their hands dirty with any physical labor. Like today, you have kids that might be book smart but don't want to do shyt. This is true no matter what race a person is.

Booker T was fully aware of discrimination and even was supporting racial equality movements on the low. However, he knew that you still needed to bring your A game to the table. If you become good enough at something, there is little a person can do to stop you even if they don't like you. Malcolm X realized latter in his life that race alone wasn't the only thing holding blacks back. Yes there is always going to be ignorant a$$holes, but they're just time wasters. If you let them waste your time and energy, you have let them win.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Dawson describes a political culture that consigns black people to the “bottom of the social order” and to lives of “crippling disadvantage.” focus on changing cac demonic ways through politics.

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Today’s racial inequalities are the fault of a black culture that encourages the most talented to squander their time and energy mastering esoteric social theories that blame others for their problems, rather than learning the practical skills that will help them solve those problems themselves. He complains that a malcontented “intelligentsia have demanded an equality of outcome and of social recognition, irrespective of the skills, behavior or performance of the group to which they belong or on whose behalf they spoke.” Focus on self, but basically ignore all racial politics and external issues - and blame the victims for the continuation of the crimes. .

both of these thoughts are wrong , right??

Nope.....Anytime you're in favor of teaching skills that ensure your survival and the welfare of your community is life preservation instincts 101..

All of my older uncles and Grandfather knew how to repair cars, appliances, houses, and grow food...That's one of the main things that's needed to become independent....

Cats talking about economic empowerment and we don't even own a grocery store.....

I can fish, raise livestock, and grow vegetables(not a fan of hunting). My Grandfather made sure I would at least be competent in these areas if ish was to go down for real.....

 

[Blackking]

Nope.....Anytime you're in favor of teaching skills that ensure your survival and the welfare of your community is life preservation instincts 101..

All of my older uncles and Grandfather knew how to repair cars, appliances, houses, and grow food...That's one of the main things that's needed to become independent....

Cats talking about economic empowerment and we don't even own a grocery store.....

I can fish, raise livestock, and grow vegetables(not a fan of hunting). My Grandfather made sure I would at least be competent in these areas if ish was to go down for real.....

but can u repair cars ? n we are dealing w some other forces at play.

Anyway, nothing will go down. You don't need all that fishing and growing... because Americans love luxuries more than they love freedom. whites aren't gonna do anything about wealth gaps, for the same reason black aren't gonna do anything about justice system or urban education disparities. IT would take way too much of an effort.

I grow..veggies and other things... there are a couple of poster right on this site that have huge gardens. But on a mass scale, black live in urban communities and are not independent.

 

[Blackking]

Booker T was ahead of the game and it's sad that he isn't more talked about today. This same guy was going to the richest men of the day (Rockefeller, etc) and getting funding for his school. I remember reading in his book the difference in the kids that went to his school vs a black school in DC I believe it was. The kids at his school had hands on training besides just book knowledge. When he interacted with the kids from DC, they didn't wan't to get their hands dirty with any physical labor. Like today, you have kids that might be book smart but don't want to do shyt. This is true no matter what race a person is.

Booker T was fully aware of discrimination and even was supporting racial equality movements on the low. However, he knew that you still needed to bring your A game to the table. If you become good enough at something, there is little a person can do to stop you even if they don't like you. Malcolm X realized latter in his life that race alone wasn't the only thing holding blacks back. Yes there is always going to be ignorant @ssholes, but they're just time wasters. If you let them waste your time and energy, you have let them win.

you screenname is spin.. u just spinned Booker T.

He did some good things...wasn't a sellout, imo....I feel like white and black liberals made up the idea of him being a sell out.....

but

There is a GOOD Reason white tea party members, and GOP conservatives point to people like Booker T Washington when they wanna point out a old black intellects that blacks should look to. It's a half philosophy ignoring the realities of the world. There are factors at play - some of those factors aren't merely excuses. It's part of the mental brain washing as much as being socially dependent. Eventually, it will be that blacks choose to be in urban communities with limited resources and a criminal justices and political system that are anti black. Eventually it will seem that all the self hate and mental issues that blacks deal with in communities are purely genetic and not because we were never meant to be americans.


Malcolm X always realized that race wasn't the only thing holding blacks back. Self reliance and independence is a central theme of the NOI and X after the NOI. The main attack X did was the attack on ignorance within our communities and reliance on white institutions.

The majority of people who focus on personal development and self reliance ONLY... without a focus on the racial politics of America end up at white corps, white dominated political parties, and in white social circles and detached from the masses of their own people............. so they eventually become under attack by black liberals, urban blacks, black revolutionaries, pro black people, and afrocentrist.... and the continuation of the divide and conquer happens because we wanted to pretend that this isn't all planned out against.

im a black social and fiscal conservative... but I'm just sayin....

 

[Spin]

you screenname is spin.. u just spinned Booker T.

He did some good things...wasn't a sellout, imo....I feel like white and black liberals made up the idea of him being a sell out.....

but

There is a GOOD Reason white tea party members, and GOP conservatives point to people like Booker T Washington when they wanna point out a old black intellects that blacks should look to. It's a half philosophy ignoring the realities of the world. There are factors at play - some of those factors aren't merely excuses. It's part of the mental brain washing as much as being socially dependent. Eventually, it will be that blacks choose to be in urban communities with limited resources and a criminal justices and political system that are anti black. Eventually it will seem that all the self hate and mental issues that blacks deal with in communities are purely genetic and not because we were never meant to be americans.


Malcolm X always realized that race wasn't the only thing holding blacks back. Self reliance and independence is a central theme of the NOI and X after the NOI. The main attack X did was the attack on ignorance within our communities and reliance on white institutions.

The majority of people who focus on personal development and self reliance ONLY... without a focus on the racial politics of America end up at white corps, white dominated political parties, and in white social circles and detached from the masses of their own people............. so they eventually become under attack by black liberals, urban blacks, black revolutionaries, pro black people, and afrocentrist.... and the continuation of the divide and conquer happens because we wanted to pretend that this isn't all planned out against.

im a black social and fiscal conservative... but I'm just sayin....

Tea Party and others that want to use Booker T as an example usually don't fully understand the man. They take one little aspect that he was "self reliant" and use that to say "You see, you can be like him." Like I said Booker T was well aware of the movements of his time and was funding them on the low. He knew this would blow his cover if that became well known. He understood it was a game to play. Sadly for the specific reason you mentioned about Booker, he isn't usually high on peoples list. One man can't be everything which is why there will always be the Booker/W.E.B. Du Bois, MLK/Malcolm, Freud/Jung, Ying/Yang relationships.

I probably wasn't as clear about Malcolm, but what I meant to point out is he realized it was a game. A game even within the NOI that was trying to play him. He basically worshipped Elijah until he came to terms that Elijah wasn't a "holy" man. Believing 100% of anything is a recipe for disaster. There is always some evil in good and always some good in evil. They're both man made concepts at the end of the day.

Adam Clayton Powell is another one who learned how to play the game. He used his charisma and influence he gained from the church and became a powerful congressman. He didn't come off as combative. He used laughter and wit to drive home his points. He had his problems with alcohol and basically was a loner, but he had balls.

 

[Prince Akeem]

I believe black folk should self-improve THEN come to the table with something. fukk all this coming to the table with nothing but demanding shyt to change. We got no leverage to put on these cacs.

Alot of our problems are tied to economics...If we could fix that,everything else will fall into place.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

but can u repair cars ? n we are dealing w some other forces at play.

Anyway, nothing will go down. You don't need all that fishing and growing... because Americans love luxuries more than they love freedom. whites aren't gonna do anything about wealth gaps, for the same reason black aren't gonna do anything about justice system or urban education disparities. IT would take way too much of an effort.

I grow..veggies and other things... there are a couple of poster right on this site that have huge gardens. But on a mass scale, black live in urban communities and are not independent.

This post makes me sad....Mostly because I know its true........And as far as repairing cars....anything domestic and made before 1988 gives me a 50/50 shot....

Anything with automatic windows and shyt.....

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I'm not sure what you mean by self-destructive. It sounds like you're just making up words. How exactly is encouraging people to learn a trade or to get educated consider self-destructive?

Don't get me wrong I think its a very good thing that we have the civil rights we have today. I don't think it should absolutely be Booker T Washington or absolutely WEB De Boise. We should focus on both. But I think it would be better if we put more of an emphasis on Booker T Washington's stance of furthering ourselves by learning skills so we can be functional members of society. Now that we have followed De Boise and his call against racial discrimination, what have we accomplished? When is it going to end?

You realize racism is never going to end right? Of course you do. So its pointless for black people to sit and cry about how they're being discriminated against left and right. What sense does that make? If there is ANYTHING that will reduce racial discrimination to an all-time low, it would be by the process of blacks becoming successful in this country so any stereotype someone tries to make about black people would be seen as outdated and absurd. Right now you can make lots of stereotypes about black people that, although do NOT apply to every individual, are often true about most blacks.

For instance if someone sees a black female with a baby they can make a reasonable assumption that the child will grow up without a father. Now does this apply to every individual, no of course not. But it DOES apply to 70% of black children out there, and so the generalization has some merit to it.

Another example is if someone is walking home at night and they see a black person walking toward them in the middle of the night with a hoodie on and sagging pants. This person might become frightened and walk to the other side of the street, for fear of this black man robbing him. Now this black man may get offended because the white person stereotyped him instead of getting to know him as an individual (lol). But at the end of the day, there is some merit to this generalization when you consider the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the population and account for half of all murderers.

So these generalizations aren't fabricated out of thin air by the white man, they're basing it off what they see in statistics, in real life, and what's on tv. Oh so then you may say ok anything you see on tv is obviously propaganda that people shouldn't take seriously. Ok well then if that's true then why do you have all these forms of entertainment like music, movies, and reality tv shows where black people EMBRACE this kind of degenerate culture? They don't speak down on it and say "hey that's not what black people do." They take pride in breathing life into what SHOULD be age-old stereotypes.

I think in the future, these stereotypes will be outdated but if and only if black people manage to rise above to something greater. I wouldn't necessarily say that hip hop entertainment needs to go away. But rather people should understand that it is nothing more than entertainment. Some people seriously don't understand that. They think the ultimate goal in life is based off materialism and objectifying women. But we can't have this dialouge anywhere. We can't criticize the black community in any shape or form without being accused of racism.

And if you don't believe me, name ONE person who criticizes the black community who does not come across as a racist. It can not be done.

This is a complete mess, but I thought this line was especially funny, since it exposed you as a white boy posing as a black person (as if your overall insulting tone didnt make that clear enough):

We can't criticize the black community in any shape or form without being accused of racism.

At any rate, the conservative canard about the black murder percentages being 50% of the overall rate appears on surface as simple statistical inferences guiding reasoned reactions on black criminal pathologies...but when you broaden those statistics to the population at large (40 plus million), and the raw murder numbers (4-5k), you get a clearer picture that the black murder rate makes up less than 1% of the black population. This isnt even addressing the idea that black dysfunction would hold if pervasive discrimination in all sectors and institutions were eliminated...perhaps having children out of wedlock and criminal activity is in our nature! Its been argued before...

 

[theworldismine13]

This is a complete mess, but I thought this line was especially funny, since it exposed you as a white boy posing as a black person (as if your overall insulting tone didnt make that clear enough):



At any rate, the conservative canard about the black murder percentages being 50% of the overall rate appears on surface as simple statistical inferences guiding reasoned reactions on black criminal pathologies...but when you broaden those statistics to the population at large (40 plus million), and the raw murder numbers (4-5k), you get a clearer picture that the black murder rate makes up less than 1% of the black population. This isnt even addressing the idea that black dysfunction would hold if pervasive discrimination in all sectors and institutions were eliminated...perhaps having children out of wedlock and criminal activity is in our nature! Its been argued before...

bruh, stop it, its not canard, the black murder rate is horrendous, 1% is absolutely unacceptable, do you know the pain and suffering behind that 1%??? how the fuk is 1% painting a clearer picture? its actually disgusting to trivialize black death in that manner

and waiting for white people to stop being racist is also a waste of time

 

[bigDeeOT]

This is a complete mess, but I thought this line was especially funny, since it exposed you as a white boy posing as a black person (as if your overall insulting tone didnt make that clear enough):...

Google my username as others have done in other threads trying to stalk me. I am black.

The fact that you're so convinced I'm white is a symbolism of how close minded you are. You refuse to believe that someone can come to these conclusions unless they are non-black. This once again proves what I have stated earlier in other threads, black people have a group think mentality. We're all crabs in a bucket and if you try and climb out or have a dissentening opinion, you're either a sell out or you weren't black to begin with. Brother how do you not see the logical fallacy in this type of mental juggling? Its textbook definition of denial

At any rate, the conservative canard about the black murder percentages being 50% of the overall rate

So statistics are false if you don't like them? Ok, provide me with some credible non-"conservative" statistics so I can see the light of day.

appears on surface as simple statistical inferences guiding reasoned reactions on black criminal pathologies...

Uhhh what?

but when you broaden those statistics to the population at large (40 plus million), and the raw murder numbers (4-5k), you get a clearer picture that the black murder rate makes up less than 1% of the black population.

So what's your point? That not every black person is a murderer? The point is, the rate of violent crime is a lot higher in black communities than in any other community and its not even CLOSE. So therefore if we want to reduce violent crime in this country it makes sense to voice concerns regarding how the BLACK community is contributing to the problem.

This isnt even addressing the idea that black dysfunction would hold if pervasive discrimination in all sectors and institutions were eliminated...perhaps having children out of wedlock and criminal activity is in our nature! Its been argued before

I absolutely do think if racism ended today, black people would hardly move an inch from the position we're in today. That's not to say it is in our nature, but rather it is in the culture we have today. Within the ghetto you have a culture of violent crime. And outside the ghetto you have a culture of blacks playing the victim mentality (blame it on whitey) so there will NEVER be progress because blacks don't want to take accountability for a single thing.

And if you don't believe me, take a look at the past 50 years. Ever since the creation of the welfare state, blacks have held strong to the notion that the plight of black america was due to the white man holding them down. Back in the 40's and 50's, the out of wedlock pregnancy rate was only like 20%. The black family was INTACT back then and that's when we had the KKK and Jim Crow in full effect. Now we've had 50 years of blacks persistently playing the race card and we've gone BACKWARDS, by ANY meausure of social standards.

The only way blacks will get anywhere in this country is for us to take accountability for what's ours, like black degenerate culture. If M.L.K or W.E.B. Du Boise was alive today they'd commit suicide out of sheer embarrassment of the so-called black community.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

bruh, stop it, its not canard, the black murder rate is horrendous, 1% is absolutely unacceptable, do you know the pain and suffering behind that 1%??? how the fuk is 1% painting a clearer picture? its actually disgusting to trivialize black death in that manner

and waiting for white people to stop being racist is also a waste of time

Who is trivializing anything you fukking nitwit? Im putting the statistics used to smear the black population at large, in their proper perspective...sorry that bothers you.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Google my username as others have done in other threads trying to stalk me. I am black.

The fact that you're so convinced I'm white is a symbolism of how close minded you are. You refuse to believe that someone can come to these conclusions unless they are non-black. This once again proves what I have stated earlier in other threads, black people have a group think mentality. We're all crabs in a bucket and if you try and climb out or have a dissentening opinion, you're either a sell out or you weren't black to begin with. Brother how do you not see the logical fallacy in this type of mental juggling? Its textbook definition of denial


So statistics are false if you don't like them? Ok, provide me with some credible non-"conservative" statistics so I can see the light of day.


Uhhh what?




So what's your point? That not every black person is a murderer? The point is, the rate of violent crime is a lot higher in black communities than in any other community and its not even CLOSE. So therefore if we want to reduce violent crime in this country it makes sense to voice concerns regarding how the BLACK community is contributing to the problem.



I absolutely do think if racism ended today, black people would hardly move an inch from the position we're in today. That's not to say it is in our nature, but rather it is in the culture we have today. Within the ghetto you have a culture of violent crime. And outside the ghetto you have a culture of blacks playing the victim mentality (blame it on whitey) so there will NEVER be progress because blacks don't want to take accountability for a single thing.

And if you don't believe me, take a look at the past 50 years. Ever since the creation of the welfare state, blacks have held strong to the notion that the plight of black america was due to the white man holding them down. Back in the 40's and 50's, the out of wedlock pregnancy rate was only like 20%. The black family was INTACT back then and that's when we had the KKK and Jim Crow in full effect. Now we've had 50 years of blacks persistently playing the race card and we've gone BACKWARDS, by ANY meausure of social standards.

The only way blacks will get anywhere in this country is for us to take accountability for what's ours, like black degenerate culture. If M.L.K or W.E.B. Du Boise was alive today they'd commit suicide out of sheer embarrassment of the so-called black community.

Yeah....im not getting into it with you....the fact that you crudely refer to black people in the second-person is a dead giveaway that you're full of sht (lol, you try to maintain this "us", but you continually lose your way)... What kind of black person claims that blacks "play the race card"? In any event, you have a woeful, ahistorical, fact-free apprehension of facts, logic, and reason, which powers your ridiculous premises . Go bother others...

 

[bigDeeOT]

Who is trivializing anything you fukking nitwit? Im putting the statistics used to smear the black population at large, in their proper perspective...sorry that bothers you.

LOL

 

[bigDeeOT]

Yeah....im not getting into it with you....the fact that you crudely refer to black people in the second-person is a pretty dead giveaway that you're full of sht (lol, you try to maintain this "us", but you continually lose your way)... What kind of black person claims that blacks "play the race card"? In any event, you have a woeful, ahistorical, fact-free apprehension of facts, logic, and reason, which powers your ridiculous premises . Go bother others...

So you're saying you can't reply to a single one of my arguments? Checkmate.

 

[theworldismine13]

Who is trivializing anything you fukking nitwit? Im putting the statistics used to smear the black population at large, in their proper perspective...sorry that bothers you.

you are trivializing it, facts are facts, and the fact is this 1% figure you are referring to is horrendous and it does point to serious problem specifically with the black community, its not a smear, its a serious a problem that needs to be addressed by black community