Pro-Palestinian groups have more demands for Democrats

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I like how you cite a sham right-wing Israeli think tank that's financed by the Adelsons as if they're credible. You're using the same logic of erasure and historical distortion as idiots use to deny the Holocaust.



THATS A PROFESSOR GIVING U THE FACTS

NOT DEYING THE NAKBA, JUST EXPLAINING HOW IT WENT DOWN

WAS JUST BUILDING ON THIS WIT A PALESTINIAN BROTHER YESTERDAY
 

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we say this but the reality is the candidate can shape public opinion even if it goes against its own party.

Trump ran exclusively on a PRO RUSSIA stance. This is everything the warhawk republicans stand against. He didn't give a shyt.

To say there was no choice in fully supporting Israel is a joke.
I never said anything of the sort. Perhaps try reading things with the intention of comprehending what's being said.

You get two choices in a Presidential election. That's it. One choice is a psychopath who has a son in law who Netanyahu used to stay in his room when he was a kid because their families are close friends. A son in law who said we can build beach front property in Gaza. That same psychopath leads a party where numerous members signed bombs about to be dropped on women and children. A party where most of its voters support what's happening there. Such a party can't be convinced to recognize the humanity of Palestineians.

Then you have the second choice - which to be sure has been monstrous on Gaza. However, you would have a new leader who may have been swayed to alter course, given most of her constituents support Palestine. Additionally, such a leader would be far less likely to give up the West Bank, press for aid, etc.

Given these two bad choices on the issue - only one has even the possibility of charting a different path. The other is lead by someone who wants to build casinos on graveyards and took 100 million to allow the West Bank to be colonized.
 

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Nobody is owed anyone’s votes. How many of these threads do we see about Hispanics, Gen Z, Union members, and every other group who voted against their best interest? How many articles asking White people to reflect on their own communities and how Trump got elected because of them?


Also why are Democrats obliged to acquiesce to the MAGAts and White “moderates” when they would never vote for them? They did everything they could to appease to White “moderates” and Independents and got nothing in 2024. Easier to write a hit piece on a group of voters you ignored and didn’t get their votes than to self reflect on the voters whose vote you didn’t get and yet gave all your attention to.

They’ll take the Liz Cheney approach in 2028 if they get their way. You had Elissa Slotkin go up there and knob slob Reagan like she was Nancy!

Steve Bannon was a right wing mastermind in 2016-2024 who was dangerous but now he’s cool to be on a podcast with the governor of the bluest and most populous state in the US, right? Trump is a fascist but Democrats will vote to confirm his cabinet members and vote for their bills, no?

They’ll do everything they can to get you mad at people who traditionally voted Democrat, while they court conservatives and “moderates” who showed several months ago they wouldn’t vote for them no matter how hard they tried to move to the “center” or whatever buzzword the consultant class is using now.

We’ll have 10 threads on how trans people lost us the election and how the Democrats should adopt more moderate views because it’s a popular position but won’t even give the time of day to considering caring about Palestine despite its popularity and how much more consequential it is.


The only time you’ve ever seen wide swathing bipartisanship in the House recently was when they passed the bill on expanding the definition antisemitism to include criticizing Israel. You had Schumer, Johnson and Jeffries all smiling and holding hands at a rally supporting Israel. It’s going to be the path of least resistance for them to continue business as usual and demonizing pro-Palestine voters with articles like this than it is to take an honest look at their priority and party.


On the flip side, anyone who believed Trumps promises are retarded. I voted for Kamala despite being pro-Palestinian because I can’t do anything for Palestinians if my own country is in disarray. It’s cliche but they tell you to put your own oxygen mask on first before helping others for a reason. I could see why people disagree with my viewpoint though, because it can imply that candidates are owed certain voting blocs and they can stomp on them and disrespect them with no consequence. That ends up being a matter of pride though, which you should try and get out of the way when deciding to vote, especially in such a consequential election.

My entire point being, you can slice the pie of voters any which way and choose to blame a certain group. If White moderates voted for Kamala and more Hispanic voters she could’ve won without Pro-Palestine votes. If pro-Palestine voters and the Unions all backed Harris, she could’ve won without all the Hispanic vote. You can also choose to blame the candidates for not playing to their own base too. That’s all a pointless exercise.

If the numbers are there for adopting a more pro-Palestine position as Democrats, they should do it. They shouldn’t stick it to the pro-Palestine voters because they think they’re somehow solely responsible for the results of the 2024 election and want to punish them.
 
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THATS A PROFESSOR GIVING U THE FACTS

NOT DEYING THE NAKBA, JUST EXPLAINING HOW IT WENT DOWN

WAS JUST BUILDING ON THIS WIT A PALESTINIAN BROTHER YESTERDAY
That's a man engaging in historical revisionism. They have a history of doing this.


Overall, we rate the JCFA as Right Biased due to its consistent alignment with Israeli government perspectives and selective framing of regional issues. We also rate them as Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing practices such as reliance on vague or unidentified sources and occasionally misleading presentation of information.

The Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs (JCFA) positions itself as a counter to what it describes as misinformation or propaganda against Zionism, often framing criticism of Zionist ideology and the Jewish state’s policies as part of a broader pattern of antisemitism. This perspective aligns with PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s stance, as he frequently accuses critics of Israel or its policies of engaging in antisemitism. By echoing these views, JCFA exhibits a right-leaning bias, closely reflecting Netanyahu’s framing of anti-Zionism as inherently antisemitic.

An example of this approach is the article titled “The Thin Line Between Legitimate Criticism of Israel and Antisemitism.” This piece argues that terms like “apartheid,” “ethnic cleansing,” and “illegal occupation” are not only factually and legally inaccurate but are used to vilify Israel and blur the distinction between criticism of policy and antisemitism. The article emphasizes that such language, as it calls” internationally recognized buzz words,” delegitimizes Israel while fostering global biases against the Jewish state.

Critics of this perspective argue that equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism can suppress legitimate discourse. They assert it’s possible to critique a nation’s policies without harboring prejudice against its people. For instance, an article in The Nation discusses how some political figures conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism, potentially stifling free speech and legitimate criticism of Israeli policies.

In addition to addressing Zionism, JCFA also reports on “regional security issues, as seen in “Hamas Recruits Thousands of New Fighters in Gaza.” The article references a 2021 poster for Hamas’ “Liberation Pioneers Camp” but presents the information as if it reflects ongoing events in 2025. It transitions from discussing the dated poster to claiming that Hamas has recently recruited thousands of fighters, citing “security sources” without identifying or linking to these sources. By relying on vague attributions and blending dated material with contemporary assertions, the article creates a misleading narrative that exaggerates the immediacy of Hamas’s activities while failing to meet transparency standards in sourcing.
 
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THEYRE NOT A DISTINCT PEOPLE HOMIE

HAVE U EVER SEEN A "PALESTINIAN" DNA TEST? IT IS INTERCHANGEABLE WITH A JORDANIAN ONE. "PALESTINE" AND JORDAN WAS LITRTALLY ONE AT ONE POINT. THEY MOSTLY HAVE A MIX OF ARABIAN PENINSULA, JORDANIAN, LEBANESE, EGYPTIAN IN THEM.

BRUH, I LITERALLY JUST POSTED THE PLO LEADER SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING.. U GUNA DENY WHAT THEIR OWN LEADERS ADMIT??

THAT LAND WAS NAMED PALESTINE BY THE ROMANS WHEN THEY CONQUERED IT SIMPLY TO SPITE THE JEWS BY RENAMING IT AFTER THE JEWS' ENEMY

THIS IS ALL FACTS.

HILARIOUS TO USE A SOURCE CALLED "DECOLONIZE PALESTINE" AS YOUR REFERENCE LMAOOOO

AS IF ARABS ARENT SOME OF THE BIGGEST COLONIZERS IN HISTORY
The same recycled arguments that ignore history. :russell:

The Zuheir Mohsen quote that y'all like to misrepresent was emphasizing Arab unity over national borders, not denying Palestinian existence. And screaming "Arabs are colonizers" doesn't justify Zionist settler colonialism.

Citing actual sources that provide legitimate references >

The roots of contemporary Palestinian identity have been outlined in many works, but we believe that Rashid Khalidi’s wonderful book, Palestinian Identity, has one of the more exhaustive and detailed explorations of the subject. According to Khalidi, Palestinian national identity can be traced back to Ottoman times, but it arguably started crystallizing in its modern form during the WW1 period. It is important to keep in mind that nationalism as a whole first touched the region around that period. While the mandatory period did see a rise of Palestinians identifying with the idea of a greater Arab nation, this did not preclude regional Palestinian identity and sense of belonging. It is not a contradiction to identify both as an Arab and a Palestinian, as was the case for many.

There are multiple elements that coalesced to create this proto-Palestinian identity, the first of which was the significant religious attachment to Palestine as a holy land by the people living there. Of course, Palestine has been an important religious nexus throughout history, but this feeling of attachment was particularly strong among those living there. Another element is the distribution of Ottoman administrative boundaries and the special status afforded to Palestine. According to Khalidi:

from 1874 onwards, the sanjaq of Jerusalem, including the districts of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron, Beersheeba, Gaza, and Jaffa, was a separate unit administered independently from any other Ottoman province.

Previously, Jerusalem was the capital of the larger province (Vilayet) of Palestine (Filastin) which includes the vast majority of what is now considered Palestine.

A third element is the fierce local loyalties and attachments, especially in the larger cities. Khalidi dubbed this “Urban Patriotism”. Nabulsis, Gazans, Jerusalemites, etc. all took pride in their cities and their local histories. Evidence of this can be seen in Palestinian family names, such as “Al-Nabulsi” (of Nablus) or “Al-Khalili” (of Hebron) and many other cities, towns and villages. With modernization and the spread of transport, communication, education, and notions of nationalism throughout the region, this local attachment evolved to include areas outside of the direct city or town and came to resemble what we understand today as nationalism more closely.

It is important to emphasize that all of this preceded any encounter with Zionism. This is important to understand, because there is a common assertion that Palestinian identity grew as a consequence of Zionist colonialism of Palestine, even though no such claim is made for the neighboring countries which all developed identities and nationalisms of their own. It is worth noting, however, that for Palestinians, the Zionists were yet another imperial or colonial force in a history full of such forces, be it the Ottomans who the Palestinians rebelled against, the British, or any other.

However, this does not mean that Palestinian identity was not influenced at all by its encounters with European or Zionist colonialism. For example, Najib ‘Azuri, in response to Zionist goals in Palestine, wrote in 1908 that the progress of “the land of Palestine” depends on expanding and raising the status of Jerusalem.

Evidence of early Palestinian identification and attachment to the land is abundant. One need not look only at some of the larger indicators, such as the founding of the Filastin (Palestine) newspaper in Jaffa in 1911, but also at the smaller ones, such as a group of Palestinian immigrants to Chile founding a football club and naming it Deportivo Palestino in 1920. That’s pretty impressive for an identity that allegedly did not exist!

This talking point becomes even more egregious when you consider how hard Israel has worked to co-opt and appropriate Palestinian identity and cultural markers, such as the Kuffiyeh, Dabkeh and even Palestinian cuisine [You can read more about this here]. It simultaneously seeks to sever the ties of the indigenous people to the land while stealing indigenous identity markers in an attempt to self-indigenize its settler population. Ultimately, all these claims aim to whitewash the crimes committed against Palestinians by implying that they shouldn’t have been there in the first place, that they do not belong, and that the settlers are more worthy of the land.

But even if you swallow this premise wholly, and come to internalize it. What then? Does the national identification (or lack thereof) of the Palestinians mean that they were legitimate targets for ethnic cleansing? Even if we accept the ridiculous and false premise that the Palestinians were “just Arabs” without a distinct national identity, how does this justify the destruction of hundreds of villages and the subjugation of millions?

It doesn’t, and it can’t.
 

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That's a man engaging in historical revisionism. They have a history of doing this.


IF U DONT WANA BELIEVE THE PROFESSORS ASSERTATION, ILL BE YOUR SOURCE HOMIE

MY FAMILY, "PALESTINIAN JEWS", WERE IN BRITISH MANDATE AT THE TIME

THESE PEOPLE WHO U CAPE SO HARD FOR ARENT WHO U THINK THEY ARE
 

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The same recycled arguments that ignore history. :russell:

The Zuheir Mohsen quote that y'all like to misrepresent was emphasizing Arab unity over national borders, not denying Palestinian existence. And screaming "Arabs are colonizers" doesn't justify Zionist settler colonialism.

Citing actual sources that provide legitimate references >


JEWS RIGHT TO RETURN TO THE LAND WHERE ALL THEIR HISTORY IS, BY LEGAL PURCHASE, SHOULDNT BE DENIED BECAUSE A COLONIZING NATION SETTLED THERE... THERE WAS NEVER A PALESTINE. IF THERE WAS, WHO WAS THE KING? PRESIDENT? PRIME MINISTER? THE ARABS FIRST CHANCE AT A SOVEREIGN NATION CAME ONLY AFTER THE JEWS WHO WERE KICKED OUT RETURNED FROM EXILE... BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WASNT ENOUGH FOR THE AGGRESSIVE ARAB NATIONS. THEIR DREAM WAS FOR AN ALL MUSLIM MIDDLE EAST.. AND EVENTUALLY, FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO COWER TO ISLAM.
 

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Your claim is a Zionist myth meant to delegitimize Palestinian existence. Yes, Palestinians identified as Arabs, just like Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians did, because modern national identities evolved over time, but that doesn't mean they weren't a distinct people with a deep connection to the land. Historical records from Ottoman and British rule refer to the local Arab population as "Filastinians" (Palestinians), and newspapers, documents, and literature from the 19th and early 20th centuries prove that Palestinians saw themselves as belonging to Palestine long before the 1960s.

The fact that Palestinians asserted their identity in opposition to Zionist displacement doesn't mean they made it up; it means they were resisting dispossession.

Again, documented history > your Zionist bullshyt.

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@Pull Up the Roots




^ 1956


WHERES THE "PALESTINE" REPRESENTATION HERE?


JUST ADMIT YOUVE BEEN DUPED



NOTICE HOW THE MAN FROM JERUSALEM SAYS HES JORDANIAN.. THEN 20 YEARS LATER HE WILL CLAIM HES "PALESTINIAN"

BRITISH MANDATED PALESTINE WAS A NAME GIVEN TO THE CONTROLLED TERRITORY, NEVER A PEOPLE


YALL GONE LEARN TODAY
 
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IF U DONT WANA BELIEVE THE PROFESSORS ASSERTATION, ILL BE YOUR SOURCE HOMIE

MY FAMILY, "PALESTINIAN JEWS", WERE IN BRITISH MANDATE AT THE TIME

THESE PEOPLE WHO U CAPE SO HARD FOR ARENT WHO U THINK THEY ARE
You're not a source. You claimed the KKK was created to chiefly oppose Jews. You claimed the civil rights movement wouldn't have been a success without Jews. All you know how to do is lie and engage in historical revisionism. Documented evidence was provided, not hasbara instagram accounts, not youtube videos and not manipulated studies from people bankrolled by Sheldon and Miriam Adelson.
 
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