Private Schools Have Become Truly Obscene

[No1]

Again the focus of the article revolves around the concentration and degree of advantages, you bringing up the Operation Varsity Blues cheating scandal is a red herring. You are conflating an outlier situation(in this context) that involved cheating, celebrity, and federal investigation vs actions that are prevalent, legal and involve people that are generally not famous--no one would expect them to be covered to the same extent, nor discussed in the same manner.

I'll acknowledge that the main point of the article and the scandal both showed the level of advantage present at the top, but the scandal from a values standpoint revolved around the role of dishonesty along with the advantage, not advantage per se or degrees of advantage. Even with the similarities, the scandal is not relevant to the article nor the points I have presented in this discussion.

And so, no. The scandal and the discussion afterward aren't representative of a prevalent conversation on the issues present in this thread.



I'm struggling to follow your line of thought so elaborate. Are you referring to the discussion of a) The role of Black kids getting into Stuyvesant and other specialized schools or b) The disparity between Stuyvesant and elite private schools?

Because the main part of the article I highlighted and afterward commented on was about issue b. And again given the accompanying notoriety, narratives, and competitiveness of Stuyvesant I am surprised that elite private schools still have exponential advantages over them. I don't think that piece of information along with the Black Ivy information is intuitive, common knowledge, or of little to no utility offline, on this forum, or in HL.

You’re arguing with a dude who is anti-affirmative action and defends every single form of people trying to succeed at the subjugation or disadvantage of others as just doing what any self-interested person would do. He’s one of the most pedantic posters on the board. Stop wasting your time.

 

[get these nets]

You’re arguing with a dude who is anti-affirmative action and defends every single form of people trying to succeed at the subjugation or disadvantage of others as just doing what any self-interested person would do. He’s one of the most pedantic posters on the board. Stop wasting your time.

You are revising history here. The very first time I became aware of who you were was when you tagged me in a thread here.

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/39149741/

Since then, the issue has played out publicly close to how I said it would.
And your smug attitude has vanished.

Acknowledging the social and political climate and reality is different than "wishing" that Affirmative Action goes away.

But whatever you have to do to protect your ego, go right ahead.

(Not) sorry to disturb the Echo Chamber.

 

[ogc163]

 

[Insensitive]

Grade inflation at elite schools is another way they game the system. The Ivys inflate grades too. It’s all a cycle.

If you get your child(ren) into one of these high schools, you have set your family up for generations.

Especially if your kid is hungry.

They'll be in college courses with the next senator/governor/president/filmmakers/Hedge fund managers etc.
The shakers and movers of the world who'll go on to influence our daily lives in ways that the average
person can't wrap their heads around.

Too have TRUE equity (in schools as it pertains to a chance at educational attainment)*** we'd
have to do away with the notion that "elite" = MONEY. Tying everything in life purely to how much money
someone can pump into you, completely wrecks any idea of equity or even the idea of a meritocracy.


California levels the playing field somewhat because we've got newer universities and elite level state universities that
allow students to compete with the east coast and it's Ivy League but it's still not enough when the sort of networking
you can do at those "old money" Universities is next level, UCLA/Berkeley/Stanford/USC for example can compete but what about all
the other universities at the state level ? And when we break it further down from pre-k on up to highschool the disparities become even
more apparent (which this article excellently points out).

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Now,this fight for a new system that you've mentioned before. How realistic is it that the system ever gets overhauled and replaced? What will provide the impetus for that to occur? And why/how will those looking to create a new system succeed, where others have failed?

If you cannot answer these questions, then you are hoping that this system is replaced, with no practical reason to believe that it will. In that case, it would be you who fails to understand the fundamental realities of American life.

The impetus is that the current system is less than ideal for the vast majority of Americans. This isn't a system where 90% are enjoying the fruits and 10% are getting screwed. We're talking about a system where only about 1% have the top opportunities, the next 9% fight over the scraps, and the remaining 90% are on an entirely different tier with clear room for improvement. We're not talking about an impoverished minority fighting for equality. We're talking about changes that would benefit nearly everyone.

And on top of that, there of course is the fact that it has already been done in other nations. But cue the old conservative go-to mantra: "Who cares if it works other places, it couldn't work here in America!" as if America is a special snowflake with no logical connectivity to the rest of the world.

 

[Houston911]

I briefly taught at one of the schools mentioned in the article. Until you're there it's difficult to fathom how large the advantages those kids have. The school library was five stories tall, and there was an entire section devoted to books written by students who had attended the school (several of which were well-known classics). They were putting the finishing touches on a science building that cost approximately $50 million to construct. Average class size was about 10 students and all classes were discussion-based with no lectures. I think tuition is currently around $50,000-60,000 per child.

Someone is suggesting, "But how does this effect everyone else?" and the answer is that elite education is a limited resource in America. 1/4 of Harvard students attended elite American schools like this, and another big chunk are international students who attended similar schools overseas. Most of the remainder attended the next lower tier of private schools or those rare ultra-elite public schools. The parents of those children wish to monopolize those slots as much as possible, and they're not going to do jack shyt to seriously help other kids have a chance if it impedes on their monopoly.

Finland got it right. You're allowed to run a private school in Finland, but you're not allowed to charge tuition and you have to accept any student in your area who wants to attend. Feel free to teach your own way and you'll get government funding for it but you can't make it exclusive to just the rich kids. So all the wealthy kids in Finland attend the same school system as everyone else. And guess what? Finland has one of the best school systems on the planet, with a 99% graduation rate, a 95% higher education entry rate, and some of the highest scores in the world on international exams like PISA. Cause the entire society has an investment in the same education system, instead of having tiers for the haves and the have-nots.

Is that really a surprise?

wow at a 5 story library

How difficult is it to land a teaching gig at these top tier schools?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Too much to talk about

 

[dtownreppin214]

@ogc163 is Dalton the top private school in NYC?

 

[chineebai]

My nephew got into trinity. Besides a pretty grueling interview process they will go through the parents finances with a fine tooth comb. The competition to get into private school is insane if you're just a regular person like my family. The tuition is based on your income and assets with income weighing a lot more. I think a portion of the schools admission is set aside for lower income families so it's very difficult to get in.

Top private schools will be like 59k a year. shyttier private schools are like 35k a year. But you do get financial aid for some.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

This ignores the increase in the population of students. I'd imagine the percentage change isn't that impressive.

Regardless, kids taking more difficult classes is not grade inflation. I took Honors and few AP classes in HS and they were appreciably harder than the regular classes. If you have to put in more effort that should warrant a grade adjustment. Anecdotal evidence but most of the kids in those higher classes with me went on to great schools and careers afterwards, outside of Zaid Jilani ().

It's funny when you look back at this stuff and apply it to how you grew up. I was fortunate to be a part of gifted and accelerated math programs in grades 4-8 while living in south florida. I moved to Georgia in 9th grade, attended one of the worst schools in the county, and didn't take another honors class until JR year and never took an AP class. I told myself I was DONE working hard af in school and was going to enjoy life. Looking back I was fukking with the trajectory of my life by chilling like that. It worked out because I got an engineering degree from Georgia Tech and an MBA from Northwestern. I literally went to two elite schools that mfs would KILL to get into today.

With that being said, there's no way I'd get into GT out of high school nowadays. It's way more competitive.

I'm about to have my first child and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with regards to education. We refuse to pay for private school and just closed on another house in a better school district. But beyond that and maybe some tutoring I can't see going out of my way to get my kid into a top college. I'm not even sure that shyt was worth it tbh.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm about to have my first child and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with regards to education. We refuse to pay for private school and just closed on another house in a better school district. But beyond that and maybe some tutoring I can't see going out of my way to get my kid into a top college. I'm not even sure that shyt was worth it tbh.

deadass how i feel. i'm def not going the fighting for a slot at a prestigious preschool when the kid is 6 months old, school/grades are everything lifestyle. enjoy your life, if you make it into one of those high schools or unis, great, but there's more ways to a fulfilling and/or financially secure lifestyle than killing yourself (or kid) with academics

 

[NaijaProdigy Redux]

@ogc163 is Dalton the top private school in NYC?

It's a matter of opinion honestly. the difference is not that much but some of the top ones are below. I went to one of those schools before boarding school.

Dalton
Chapin
Horace Mann
Collegiate
Brearley
Trinity
Spence

 

[ogc163]

@ogc163 is Dalton the top private school in NYC?

Not much difference at the top. Dalton probably has the most name recognition.

 

[Ahmen]

You can get a good education from public school, but they have to be open first.

 

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