Prime Bernard Hopkins vs Canelo who wins?

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

canelo does not have a win to match either....esp prime fighter wins...it would open up some convo that would make it very hard for some to "make it make sense"

Yup. Add in Oscar and Winky and it's kind of a wrap.

I'll always fukk with Canelo for handling GGG, but nah bro I Canelo for the most part is still largely the same fighter he was when he fought Floyd, he just fighting bigger guys who can't punish him in the same way Floyd can.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Yup. Add in Oscar and Winky and it's kind of a wrap.

I'll always fukk with Canelo for handling GGG, but nah bro I Canelo for the most part is still largely the same fighter he was when he fought Floyd, he just fighting bigger guys who can't punish him in the same way Floyd can.

I still believe winky won that fight. He was frustrating the hell out of b hop with that jab. That's why hop hit him with that dirty ass headbutt. And winky was fat as shyt too


But it was a close fight. Don't have an issue with somebody taking b hop. Realistically it prolly shoulda been a draw. Those 117-111 scorecards were some bullshyt though. Winky was so underrated. Still to this day believe he woulda been the guy to beat Floyd

 

[patscorpio]

Yup. Add in Oscar and Winky and it's kind of a wrap.

I'll always fukk with Canelo for handling GGG, but nah bro I Canelo for the most part is still largely the same fighter he was when he fought Floyd, he just fighting bigger guys who can't punish him in the same way Floyd can.

GGG punished him enough...thats why those fights are close and debated...but what happened is it wasn't seen as a decisive win over a PRIME GGG much less a slightly out of prime GGG...a draw and a narrow MD - this is his marquee win to boot

the best fighters canelo beat that were prime are Lara, Jacobs, Callum Smith, and BJS..kinda hard to compare to Bhop..esp if you're not wholly consistent about them

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

GGG punished him enough...thats why those fights are close and debated...but what happened is it wasn't seen as a decisive win over a PRIME GGG much less a slightly out of prime GGG...a draw and a narrow MD - this is his marquee win to boot

the best fighters canelo beat that were prime are Lara, Jacobs, Callum Smith, and BJS..kinda hard to compare to Bhop..esp if you're not wholly consistent about them

Tito win by itself is better than those 4 combined.

Funny thing is to be a non boxing ass nikka Tito has one of the best resumes in boxing history. His skills were at times, but you can't deny he has a bunch of good to great wins.

 

[alpo]

I still believe winky won that fight. He was frustrating the hell out of b hop with that jab. That's why hop hit him with that dirty ass headbutt. And winky was fat as shyt too


But it was a close fight. Don't have an issue with somebody taking b hop. Realistically it prolly shoulda been a draw. Those 117-111 scorecards were some bullshyt though. Winky was so underrated. Still to this day believe he woulda been the guy to beat Floyd

Negro please

 

[patscorpio]

Tito win by itself is better than those 4 combined.

Funny thing is to be a non boxing ass nikka Tito has one of the best resumes in boxing history. His skills were at times, but you can't deny he has a bunch of good to great wins.

i dont deny his wins...but i never thought he was unbeatable like that....with that being said very few ATGs got beat in an embarrassingly one sided manner like he did against Winky..imagine getting near blanked because you couldn't escape getting your face smashed in with a southpaw jab for 12 rounds

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

i dont deny his wins...but i never thought he was unbeatable like that....with that being said very few ATGs got beat in an embarrassingly one sided manner like he did against Winky..imagine getting near blanked because you couldn't escape getting your face smashed in with a southpaw jab for 12 rounds

Canelo got smashed on like that. So did Toney when he fought Roy.

 

[patscorpio]

Canelo got smashed on like that. So did Toney when he fought Roy.

the thing is they weren't kept in line with just a jab floyd and roy had to do more than that to beat those 2...tito could not adjust to getting hit with consistent jabs for 12 rounds which was incredible to me...winky is not known for a dynamic offense either

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

the thing is they weren't kept in line with just a jab floyd and roy had to do more than that to beat those 2...tito could not adjust to getting hit with consistent jabs for 12 rounds which was incredible to me...winky is not known for a dynamic offense either

Winky and Vernon Forrest were two fighters I did not enjoy watching very much.

 

[patscorpio]

Winky and Vernon Forrest were two fighters I did not enjoy watching very much.

viper i loved watching fight RIP

but winky was trying at times...for all the winky fights ive watched...i dont even remember any specific ones where i saw him score a stoppage much less a KD

 

[Scottie Drippin]

the thing is they weren't kept in line with just a jab floyd and roy had to do more than that to beat those 2...tito could not adjust to getting hit with consistent jabs for 12 rounds which was incredible to me...winky is not known for a dynamic offense either

Tito low key just a weight bully. At 147 when he's throwing hellfire and brimstone with both hands, and a big/durable fighter at that weight, he's terrifying and a legit ATG. At 160 against naturally bigger stronger men, might have to call him a middle of the road fighter. He lost BAD to B-Hop and as you said, getting blanked by Winky was not a good look.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

viper i loved watching fight RIP

but winky was trying at times...for all the winky fights ive watched...i dont even remember any specific ones where i saw him score a stoppage much less a KD

Yup and Winky didn't engage either. His fights were boring as fukking hell, it was always jab, jab, jab, move, jab, jab, jab, move. One out of like every twenty punches he might throw a power shot. shyt was to watch.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Tito low key just a weight bully. At 147 when he's throwing hellfire and brimstone with both hands, and a big/durable fighter at that weight, he's terrifying and a legit ATG. At 160 against naturally bigger stronger men, might have to call him a middle of the road fighter. He lost BAD to B-Hop and as you said, getting blanked by Winky was not a good look.

I do find it funny Spence is considered a 'big WW' but if he would of fought in the late 90's early 2000's in that division he would of been average size. Tito is bigger than GGG if I'm not mistaken.

 

[patscorpio]

Tito low key just a weight bully. At 147 when he's throwing hellfire and brimstone with both hands, and a big/durable fighter at that weight, he's terrifying and a legit ATG. At 160 against naturally bigger stronger men, might have to call him a middle of the road fighter. He lost BAD to B-Hop and as you said, getting blanked by Winky was not a good look.

tito was good but not great at middleweight....the fact he bodied a legit middle in joppy for his belt before fighting bhop was a good look plus he did ruin mayorga too

 

[patscorpio]

Yup and Winky didn't engage either. His fights were boring as fukking hell, it was always jab, jab, jab, move, jab, jab, jab, move. One out of like every twenty punches he might throw a power shot. shyt was to watch.

only the volume punchers were really able to get an entertaining fight out of winky really..soliman and punisher put hands on him

all i gotta say about winky vs bhop was it was a good thing the undercard had some really brutal fades on it that i could tolerate watching that rough ass fight at the end