You know not to go back, and forth, with him. My man is wild with the dis quality. Fall back
Pressure the gov. of the Dominican Republic to stop its planned "cleaning" of 250k black Dominicans
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OfTheCross
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Some Dominicans are black, some ain't. What you so mad about, papi?
don't you speak one of them ?
You know not to go back, and forth, with him. My man is wild with the dis quality. Fall back
your man sounds like he special ed"You're on a mission"
I may have said some incorrect things in this thread but DR still full of coins and tragic mulattos
I was about to come in here and say the same thing, but you beat me to it. It's sad that Dominicans deny being Black. Ive had Dominican friends on my FB who did the same thing. Self hate is sickening
CinnamonTequila
Playing that music too loud ;)
Wow It's amazing how people post on stuff that are not even informed about and just assume that because some bored ass nikka that has prolly never left the country and spent at least a couple of weeks in DR to at least have an IDEA of what's going on decides to make a statement on that???
No one has denied no one's birth rights. If you are born on Dominican ground you ARE Dominican and immediately you are given a Dominican birth certificate, no matter if your parents are Hatian, Chinese or from planet Zulu.
ALSO there are procedures to get a permit that allows you to stay in the country available for people from other countries that have been in DR for a lot of years ILLEGALY (This is available for ALL nationalities).
The people that are being deported crossed the border illegaly and for that reason are being returned to their country ( Like Americans do with Mexican people who cross the border illegaly, SAME shyt)...
It has nothing to do with them being black or not. It is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Do you forget that Dominicans ARE black too.. WFT??
NOW, Why no one talks about the Hatian government hiding and ignoring their own constitution?? Did you know that the Hatian constitution states that ALL offspring from Hatian parents no matter where are born have BY BIRTH RIGHT the Hatian nationality?? Think about that.
Ya'll have to read a little bit more and do a little more research before talking shyt about an entire nation which you probably know nothing about.
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No one has denied no one's birth rights. If you are born on Dominican ground you ARE Dominican and immediately you are given a Dominican birth certificate, no matter if your parents are Hatian, Chinese or from planet Zulu.
ALSO there are procedures to get a permit that allows you to stay in the country available for people from other countries that have been in DR for a lot of years ILLEGALY (This is available for ALL nationalities).
The people that are being deported crossed the border illegaly and for that reason are being returned to their country ( Like Americans do with Mexican people who cross the border illegaly, SAME shyt)...
It has nothing to do with them being black or not. It is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Do you forget that Dominicans ARE black too.. WFT??
NOW, Why no one talks about the Hatian government hiding and ignoring their own constitution?? Did you know that the Hatian constitution states that ALL offspring from Hatian parents no matter where are born have BY BIRTH RIGHT the Hatian nationality?? Think about that.
Ya'll have to read a little bit more and do a little more research before talking shyt about an entire nation which you probably know nothing about.
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OfTheCross
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Came across this story from CNN. It's the first update I've noticed in a while:
Haiti and the Dominican Republic: Faces of a divided island - CNN.com
It's too long to quote the whole thing...
I haven't gotten through it all but I'll finish it when I get home
Haiti and the Dominican Republic: Faces of a divided island - CNN.com
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (CNN)The anti-immigrant rhetoric on the radio, in shops and in the streets is familiar:
The influx from our poorer neighbor is overwhelming. They steal jobs. They are dangerous. They take advantage of our laws.
So is the counterweight:
They are seeking better lives. They do the labor-intensive jobs locals won't. They contribute to the economy.
This isn't about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border or deporting undocumented Central American immigrants. It's an argument taking place 700 miles off the coast of Miami on the island of Hispaniola, home to the Dominican Republic and Haiti -- two nations divided by history as much as a border.
It's an uneasy coexistence for countries whose intertwined histories of colonization, conquest and racism over the centuries have left deep wounds.
In recent years, controversial court rulings and laws have renewed tensions in the Dominican Republic.
Hundreds of thousands of Dominicans of Haitian descent were stripped of their citizenship and forced to prove they were born here. Hundreds of thousands more who are undocumented immigrants have been forced to register with the government.
In a political fight with arguments similar to the debate in the United States, the immigration hard-liners won. Last year I traveled across the Dominican Republic and Haiti to see the fallout from that battle. Among the people I met: A soccer player who left the Dominican national team because she couldn't prove her nationality, a law student fighting for Haitians' rights, and a woman who saw her town divided along racial lines.
Here are their stories amid scenes of life on the island.
Raquel Aristilde de Valdez, a Dominican of Haitian descent, is a business owner in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
Foreigner in her own country
Standing in front of her flower shop in Santo Domingo's Pequeño Haiti, or Little Haiti neighborhood, Raquel Aristilde de Valdez introduces herself as Haitian, though she was born here, in the Dominican capital.
She belongs to a slice of the Dominican population -- about 2.5% of 10.4 million -- born in the country with at least one immigrant parent.
I ask her how she sees herself, and she says "Dominico-Haitian. Fifty-fifty."
There is pride evident as she explains how easily she shifts between Dominican Spanish and Haitian Creole, fluent in the languages and cultures of the two countries.
"I speak Spanish perfectly well, I speak Creole perfectly well," she says. "I eat Haitian food, I eat Dominican food."
That between-two-worlds feeling is familiar to children of immigrants.
Despite her comfort inside Dominican society, Raquel considers herself an outsider. And she is treated as one.
"My skin color, my race, my physical features don't say I am Dominican," she says.
To her, the only things that make her "Dominican" are her birth certificate and her national ID card, or cedula.
For a time, even those things were stripped from her, when a lawsuit accusing the government of discriminating against people like Raquel backfired.
In the suit, another Dominican-born woman of Haitian descent alleged that authorities denied her a cedula because her parents were immigrants.
For decades, the Dominican Republic's Constitution had bestowed citizenship on anyone born on Dominican soil, just like in the United States. That ended in 2010, when the Constitution was rewritten to exclude children of undocumented immigrants.
The lawsuit sought to validate the citizenship of those born to immigrant parents before 2010. Instead, the country's highest court ruled in 2013 that all residents born to immigrant parents dating back more than 80 years were not entitled to citizenship.
In a flash, approximately 210,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent, including Raquel, were made stateless.
Human rights groups sounded the alarm over the population of noncitizens that was so suddenly created.
International pressure mounted, including from the country's Caribbean neighbors, and the Dominican government provided a "fix": a law creating a path to restore citizenship.
"No one born in the Dominican Republic will be deported, and no one who holds or is entitled to legal Dominican nationality will be deprived of it," Dominican Ambassador to the United States Jose Tomas Perez wrote in an op-ed in July.
The ambassador is partly correct. The mass deportations that many feared have not come to pass. But fear may have been enough. Heightened racial tensions and the idea of deportations caused tens of thousands of Haitian immigrants and Dominicans of Haitian descent to leave on their own. It reminded me of the anti-illegal immigration laws some U.S. states have passed, and the talk of "self-deportations" in the 2012 presidential election.
Raquel was among the fortunate who didn't have to fear for long.
Her birth in Santo Domingo had been recorded in the civil registry at the time. With proof of her Dominican birth, she quickly reclaimed her citizenship under the new law.
Dominicans who bristle at accusations of xenophobia point to this legal remedy.
But less than a third of the estimated 210,000 left stateless successfully reclaimed their citizenship.
Figures provided by the Dominican government last year show about 64,000 people benefited from the law. About 70% of those who qualified to have their citizenship restored didn't or weren't able to seek a legal remedy.
The more common situation, I learned through dozens of interviews, is that children of immigrants are not recorded in the civil registry at birth.
The reasons are many -- fear of deportation if the parents are undocumented, births outside of hospitals, or language barriers.
"For me it was easy," Raquel says, "but others had more complications."
An immigration issue cost Cherlina Castillo Pierre her spot on the Dominican national women's soccer team.
Born to play soccer
Cherlina Castillo Pierre was raised in Baraguana, one of the Dominican Republic's many bateyes -- slums that sprang up during the 20th century as Haitians were brought in to work the sugar cane fields.
Baraguana is in the northern Dominican town of Imbert, close enough to the coast to feel the full force of the sun but not the salty breeze.
Cherlina grew up playing soccer in the batey. "I learned by playing with the boys," she says. "I was the only girl playing."
She started playing competitively at age 12, and three years later was selected to the Dominican national women's under-17 team.
Her future looked bright. Soccer would open doors for Cherlina, who was born in the Dominican Republic, the child of undocumented Haitian immigrants.
She played halfback for the national team because, she says, her Haitian roots made her stronger than her teammates.
Her toughness and attitude surely was reflected on the field; records show that Cherlina played in five games representing the Dominican Republic, drawing a red card in one match and a yellow card in another.
The dream began unraveling when she had to renew her Dominican passport to travel with the team. She had been issued a passport as a child, but now that she was no longer a minor, she needed a cedula to renew it. Although this was before the 2013 court ruling, it was not uncommon for authorities to demand proof of a person's birthplace before issuing a cedula -- let alone a passport. Because her birth had not been recorded in the civil registry, she faced an uphill climb, and had to forfeit her dream.
Children play soccer in a dirt lot in Ouanaminthe, Haiti.
She wore the Dominican jersey on her back, but the country it represented considered her a foreigner.
It confounded her. She is proud of her Haitian heritage but considers herself a proud Dominican as well.
"If I had a chance to play for the national team again, I would," Cherlina says. "But I didn't get my hopes up because I know I don't have a cedula, and with nocedula I won't be able to play anywhere."
An official at Fedefutbol, the Dominican Republic's governing body for soccer, told me that Cherlina's name didn't ring a bell and that the Dominican team would never have a Haitian on it.
"She's Dominican," I explained.
I sent the federation the records of Cherlina's matches and asked for more details, but got no response.
Cherlina now works at a restaurant in Imbert and, since 2013, has been among the stateless.
Because her birth was not recorded in the civil registry, the law to "fix" her status would require multiple identification documents, notarized testimonies of Dominicans to vouch for her birthplace, and a two-year wait to apply for citizenship.
Her father passed away, Cherlina says, and she has no idea where he kept the documents that may prove her identity and place of birth to the satisfaction of Dominican authorities.
Bernard Teillon is an undocumented Haitian immigrant who has lived in the Dominican Republic for decades.
A wheelbarrow and a dream
Bernard Teillon says he has lived in the Dominican Republic for 50 years.
And he wants to go back to his native Haiti, as soon as he can afford it.
A long-time laborer in the fields -- sowing and harvesting crops -- Bernard would qualify for legal work status under a recent Dominican law to address the population of undocumented immigrants.
The National Regularization Plan was the government's answer to the hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants already living in the Dominican Republic, some for decades.
A 2012 census of migrants found that about 460,000 Haitian immigrants live in the Dominican Republic. More than half, about 61%, were undocumented.
The requirements to get right with the law sound reasonable enough:
Prove your identity and provide evidence of how long you've been in the country, your ties to Dominican society, and your work and socioeconomic condition.
It's an invitation to "come out of the shadows," to borrow a phrase from the U.S. immigration debate.
These apparently simple requirements, however, proved for many to be a bureaucratic nightmare, a hell brimming with red tape.
Bernard, for instance, struggled to get a copy of his Haitian passport or birth certificate to prove his identity. He said he couldn't afford the time or money to put together the required paperwork.
It is not impossible to get legal status without a birth certificate or passport. Some 20,300 undocumented immigrants registered without them, according to the Dominican Interior Ministry, but the alternate routes are not easy. It might require Bernard getting seven sworn statements from Dominicans who would attest to his life in the country.
Bernard found it too daunting. His neighbors are mostly Haitian. What Dominicans would vouch for him? Do the Dominicans he has worked for or interacted with remember him or know him well enough to write a testimony on his behalf? The immigration controversy is red hot, so many Dominicans might not want to put their name as a reference for an undocumented immigrant.
Bernard rents a small room in the Hato Mayor neighborhood of Santiago, the country's second-largest city. Immigration raids have snared neighboring tenants, and he knows it could happen to him.
"I confide much in God, so I have confidence I will be all right and that nothing bad will happen to me," Bernard says...
It's too long to quote the whole thing...
I haven't gotten through it all but I'll finish it when I get home
DR's still racist as all hell and it's doubly disgusting when you have people as black as tar on that "Soy Dominicano. No soy negro." 
shyt in here
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i went entirely too ham. Yikes.
Tropical Fantasy
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DR's still racist as all hell and it's doubly disgusting when you have people as black as tar on that "Soy Dominicano. No soy negro."
Youre viewing this through an African American lens
blackness in DR, and Latin American as a whole, isnt as cut and dry as it is in the US
there isnt really a one drop rule, there's never been a civil rights movement, and nationalism > race
the whole "I'm not black, I'm Dominican" thing is really semantics. In DR & Latin America, black = African American. Even in the Caribbean black = African American
If you were to ask "Do many of your ancestors originate from Africa" you'd get a different answer
