President Obama finally sticking to his guns and nominating Chuck Hagel

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He even went so far as to suggest impeachment for George W. Bush in 2007: “Any president who says, ‘I don’t care, or I will not respond to what the people of this country are saying about Iraq or anything else,’ or ‘I don’t care what the Congress does, I am going to proceed’ — if a president really believes that, then there are — what I was pointing out — there are ways to deal with that.”

Washington Post Op-Ed explaining their opposition to Hagel's nomination because they feel Hagel is to the LEFT of Obama on many issues. And he is.

Chuck Hagel is not the right choice for defense secretary - Washington Post

 

[KillSpray]

Barney Frank wants the Senate seat in Mass and he says he will oppose the nomination.

Barney Frank 'Strongly Opposes' Chuck Hagel As Defense Secretary

No surprise here, Barney is "openly, and aggressively gay" as well

 

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No surprise here, Barney is "openly, and aggressively gay" as well

He's also Jewish and received AIPAC money and participated in their events frequently.

 

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Barney Frank's plans one year ago today? AIPAC event:

Please join us for this important pro-Israel political advocacy event featuring Congressman Barney Frank. Light refreshments will be served. Dietary laws observed.

Event Details

 

[superunknown23]

democrats control the Senate... he'll sail thru.

 

[AV Dicey]

I'm still as cynical as they come but I don't get why he would waste the political capital on nominating Hagel of all people.
If military service and a pragmatic streak are the sole reason for the pick I could think of better dudes for the post than Hagel...Bob Kerrey Wesley Clark and Jim Webb spring to mind.
At the very least you wouldn't have a guy capable of getting Dems and Republicans to agree on not liking him.

I dont think he can use those democrats to advocate for cuts in DOD, the right will tar and feather him whilst bringing back the 'dems are vajayjay' meme as regards the military...on the hand, republican sec of def advocating for cuts, its a win for Obama, Hagel's raison d'etre is to cut defence spending, end the war in afghanistan and oppose any military adventures in Iran, whilst antagonzing Bibi and em

 

[Piff Perkins]

Anyone who calls it like he sees it in relation to Israel and Iran is ok with me

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I respect this move.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I dont think he can use those democrats to advocate for cuts in DOD, the right will tar and feather him whilst bringing back the 'dems are vajayjay' meme as regards the military...on the hand, republican sec of def advocating for cuts, its a win for Obama, Hagel's raison d'etre is to cut defence spending, end the war in afghanistan and oppose any military adventures in Iran, whilst antagonzing Bibi and em

Republicans aint claimed Chuck Hagel since 2006...that boat won't float at all.

Man, this dude was out there front and center calling the bullshyt out. Something hit him in late 2006 that changed him around. He was going harder than Democrats on many fronts.

Hagel is a combat wounded, enlisted Vietnam Veteran. Being enlisted is a big part of the deal for me. His eventual opposition to the PATRIOT Act, Iraq War, AIPAC, Iran-Saber Rattling are a huge step forward.

You can't speak negatively about AIPAC/Israel in this country. You have to be completely foaming at the mouth for war with Iran. Now we have someone who might not be (we'll eventually see).

I still think it is a case of Obama picking a fight that he can't be 100% sure he will win and that has a very low ROI. And believe me, before the confirmation hearings Hagel is gonna be shucking and jiving to get the pro-Israel folks to confirm his nomination to a degree that will be downright sickening to watch.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I never said Hagel was or wasn't a positive. The point was you support him in this role despite reservations about what he believes on a variety of issues. That is truthfully no different than individuals who support candidates because they are the best people on certain issues and in light of the alternative. You kept trying to paint me as an Obama hack and unprincipled because I was against the NDAA, but vote for him because of the alternative given the state I was registered in. Hagel has a horrendous record on tax policy, labor issues, civil rights, gender issues, etc.

I think you're missing TUH's point

the job description for SoS does not involve your issues with his voting record

bringing up obama is a false comparison because Obama HAS to vote and make decisions on a wide range of issues, the SoS does not

 

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Republicans aint claimed Chuck Hagel since 2006...that boat won't float at all.



I still think it is a case of Obama picking a fight that he can't be 100% sure he will win and that has a very low ROI. And believe me, before the confirmation hearings Hagel is gonna be shucking and jiving to get the pro-Israel folks to confirm his nomination to a degree that will be downright sickening to watch.

Let us hope not. It might be a sad scene to witness.

 

[No1]

I think you're missing TUH's point

the job description for SoS does not involve your issues with his voting record

bringing up obama is a false comparison because Obama HAS to vote and make decisions on a wide range of issues, the SoS does not

How can I be missing his point when I referenced that point in my very response? You can say you disagree with my point, but you can't say I missed his. It is not a false comparison, but not a perfect comparison. You're giving him an out for whatever reason. I even extended the comparison to show you why exactly, read again. I even brought up the fact that Hagel endorsed the Patriot Act (most did so he gets a pass) and would have undoubtedly voted for the 2009 NDAA, which is TUH's single biggest complaint. Like I said, you're giving him an out. And his impact on domestic policy is largely symbolic, which I mentioned, but it's still relevant to many people on the left(which I also referenced...I think). (BTW, I like the Hagel pick and his amendment to the 2008 NDAA, but hopefully he'll switch up that stance on military base abortions).

But I appreciate the fact that you replied and didn't dismiss an attempt at a nuanced post as a "rant." *daps* Now I gotta see if this galaxy is strong enough to stream a football game on 4G.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

How can I be missing his point when I referenced that point in my very response? You can say you disagree with my point, but you can't say I missed his. It is not a false comparison, but not a perfect comparison. You're giving him an out for whatever reason. I even extended the comparison to show you why exactly, read again. I even brought up the fact that Hagel endorsed the Patriot Act (most did so he gets a pass) and would have undoubtedly voted for the 2009 NDAA, which is TUH's single biggest complaint. Like I said, you're giving him an out. And his impact on domestic policy is largely symbolic, which I mentioned, but it's still relevant to many people on the left(which I also referenced...I think). (BTW, I like the Hagel pick and his amendment to the 2008 NDAA, but hopefully he'll switch up that stance on military base abortions).

But I appreciate the fact that you replied and didn't dismiss an attempt at a nuanced post as a "rant." *daps* Now I gotta see if this galaxy is strong enough to stream a football game on 4G.

aint know the bolded

you still havent given a reason as to why we can compare those appointed to president to those appointd to a cabinet position

 

[No1]

aint know the bolded

you still havent given a reason as to why we can compare those appointed to president to those appointd to a cabinet position

If you don't get the general point then :mannyshurg: It is a minor issue anyway.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

If you don't get the general point then :mannyshurg: It is a minor issue anyway.

isn't that TUHs main point?