POST YOUR TOP 10

[Sccit]

Man it’s not just mvps it’s the whole body of work! Stop being stupid man! You tryna bring Nash up! Stop we talking among the greats! Kobe ain’t got enough my guy!

HIS BODY OF WORK IS UNPARALLELED



MOST ALL-NBA TEAMS

MOST ALL-DEFENSE TEAMS

TOP 5 POINTS

18 TIME ALL-STAR

5 CHAMPIONSHIPS

4 CONSECUTIVE 50 POINT GAMES (NBA RECORD)

ONLY PLAYER TO SCORE 600+ POINTS IN 3 CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFFS

62 IN 3 QUARTERS

81 POINTS

MONTHS AVERAGING 40 PPG

MOST ALL-STAR MVPS (SINCE U PUT WEIGHT ON THIS BS)

2 GOLD MEDALS (MORE THAN MJ)




GOAT

 

[Pimp]

1 Jordan
2 Kareem
3 Magic
4 Shaq
5 Wilt
6 Kobe
7 Bird
8 Duncan
9 Hakeem
10 Thomas

I never seen Bill Russell play so i couldn't put him on my list. Maybe I'll have to go back and look at footage because i use to think Wilt was just a big guy with no skill until i watched him play and his skill set was crazy..

I don't rank players that are currently playing because we have to see how it plays out.. Steph Curry is leading the pack, KD is up there but injuries set him back.. Lebron is up there.. Kawhi is good.. I want to see how all these guys careers play out before i put them on any list.

FYI Shaq would be clearly #2 had he stayed in shape and took this game serious. Dude was a rapper, making movies, but couldn't make a free throw. Imagine if he dedicated to his craft how much more dominant he would be.

 

[murksiderock]

Most current lists in the last two years, if you average them out, tend to go:

Mike
LeBron
Cap
Magic
Wilt
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
O

With the next 5 typically going:

Dream
Bill
Logo
KD
Mailman

There is some variance here, particularly with Bill as there are organizations that call him Top 5, and there are rankings that have him closer to 20...

Duncan is closer to 5 in some, and is outside the Top 10 in others. So there's variation, nobody's list has every single player in the same exact order, so any "case study" being done should just affirm these things are highly subjective...

That said, I'm not positive how I order my Top 10 yet. What I will say if going off of the average opinions of cumulative lists:

•you can make an argument for about 5 guys at #1. Mike has the strongest argument of the 5, but there are alot of variables to consider and other guys have a case...

•Kareem is probably #3 on mine, but he's on shaky ground. He has an argument for #1 but his entire case is based off of longevity. When you compare him H2H with other candidates, there's no way you can't take into account that he played a decade before Magic, in the weakest era ever, and is the most glorified stat stuffer ever. Stuffing stats and accolades and yet still managing to miss the playoffs in Years 6 and 7, smack in his prime, getting to The Finals just twice in an area that he statistically dominated and ran up MVPs, but didn't have a 60s Celtics roadblocking him. He missed the playoffs twice, only got to The Finals twice, same number as Wilt pre-Lakers, without the challengers ahead that Wilt had...

His dominance is overrated. The bulk of his "dominance" and awards came in a terrible era and he falls off a cliff after Magic came on the scene. Cumulatively he has a case over everyone but that's it, you can also make the argument he should be as low as 8. His resume doesn't hold up well under scrutiny and after Russell is probably the most overrated Top 15-ish player...

 

[murksiderock]

•Bird can definitely be argued as high as 5, and anyone who doesn't have him in the Top 10 I think need to go refamiliarize themselves with his work...

•Shaq/Duncan/Kobe are interchangeable but have to be bracketed together. There are drawbacks to all and positives to all and all three are more or less the same caliber of player. Neither of these three have a case as #1, though depending on who you have in front, I can see a Top 5 case, but you have to really push for it...

None of these guys are Top 5 and while some people and lists push one or the other out of the Top 10, I do think you have to have them all in the Top 10, even if it's the last three spots. But any notion that any one if these dudes is somehow incomparable to the other two is Stan talk, these guys are bracketed together the same way Magic and Bird are...

•I can't justify Oscar as Top 10 but that's a really popular opinion. Dude missed the postseason three times in his prime and is a Kareem-level stat stuffer. 0-2 in the ECF before Kareem saves him from going ringless, honestly O is probably only borderline Top 15. Old guys love this cat, I've heard the hype, but he doesn't have the greatest resume even if he had a superb all around game and skillset...

These lists can't be based on just "talent" or "skillset", at this level all players are supremely gifted and skilled. Oscar ain't it...

•Dream def has a case as lower Top 10. I don't think he's quite in that Duncan/Kobe/Shaq class, he was for the most part a perennial 1st Rd exit. That early Finals and the two in the Jordan hiatus are rare examples dude even took his team out the 1st...

•yall know how I feel about Bill Russell. Can't justify Top 5 at this point, but sure, you can argue Top 10, though I'm not sure I'd have him in mine...

•West should be higher on more of these lists but he's routinely ranked behind O and Dream. He's Top 10. Mailman is probably just barely Top 15 bit not even a lock for that. KD is one great run away from the Kobe/Shaq/Tim tier, two away from potentially leaping those guys, but at this point you can't really justify any list that says he's already Top 10 as currently stands...

So legitimately as of the moment, there are 13 guys with Top 10 cases, really only 12 because O case is flimsy as fukk. But most people have the same 12-13 in some variation, we already know it's not gone be unanimous...

 

[murksiderock]

1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Durant
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Kobe....... (for now but Kawhi and Giannis are 2 MVPs and finals MVPs respectively, away from that 10th spot)


Edit: my bad, forgot about Kareem. Sorry Kobester


1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Kareem
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Durant
9. Magic/Bird

How are you justifying KD as Top 10?

And i ain't mad at anyone who ranks him in the top ten or even number 1. But i often wonder why Bill gets the praise as the greatest ever but someone like Sam Jones who was actually the leading scorer for a few of them and was known as their best clutch player isn't as revered as him.

Well he was their emotional leader and from what I gather, in real time he was widely considered their best player. Team was loaded with Famers but I guess he was the greatest of the bunch...

While I do think great players would translate to any era, there's no evidence that Russell could develop a threatening scoring arsenal. None. He'd be between Draymond and Ben Wallace today, a mix of both. So like Dray, I think he could get hot occasionally and with his size he'd be able to play multiple positions. He's still be a GOAT defender like Ben and Dray were in their primes, and maybe better, but without any sort of consistent scoring punch to extrapolate, how in the hell would he be greater than the vast majority of these guys?

I'm with you though. His pioneer status give him a MASSIVE boost in popular opinion, massive to the point people say he should be a lock #1 or Rushmore guy...

 

[murksiderock]

@Reggie I was studying some 60s Celtics shyt today and I can only really guess since I didnt see them. But looks like Bill was their best player from about Year 2 (when he won first MVP in '58) to Year 10 ('66). That stretch that they won 8 straight, Bill was their best player, just looking at published accounts of what people thought at the time, and Jones kinda assumed the #2 role in the early 60s after Cousy, who had it prior...

If the FMVP was given out it also looks like Bill woulda won 5 straight 62-66. Jones was a great player but doesn't seen like any of his Finals were the most impactful on the team. This is all a complete guess, but it is odd that Jones doesn't get more Top 50 burn, but Hondo is still often considered Top 25 and Cousy is still often considered Top 40...

 

[Reggie]

@Reggie I was studying some 60s Celtics shyt today and I can only really guess since I didnt see them. But looks like Bill was their best player from about Year 2 (when he won first MVP in '58) to Year 10 ('66). That stretch that they won 8 straight, Bill was their best player, just looking at published accounts of what people thought at the time, and Jones kinda assumed the #2 role in the early 60s after Cousy, who had it prior...

If the FMVP was given out it also looks like Bill woulda won 5 straight 62-66. Jones was a great player but doesn't seen like any of his Finals were the most impactful on the team. This is all a complete guess, but it is odd that Jones doesn't get more Top 50 burn, but Hondo is still often considered Top 25 and Cousy is still often considered Top 40...

That's all i'm saying. I have no doubt Bill had an impact cause he guarded both sides of the floor but when it came time to get a bucket were they looking for him or one of the other Hall of Famers they had.

 

[Box Factory]

DENI IS PROJECTED TOP 5


THAT COMMENT U JUST MADE WILL BE A NICE BUMP IN 2-3 YEARS

Told you he wouldn't go top 5

 

[Bledswole]

HIS BODY OF WORK IS UNPARALLELED



MOST ALL-NBA TEAMS

MOST ALL-DEFENSE TEAMS

TOP 5 POINTS

18 TIME ALL-STAR

5 CHAMPIONSHIPS

4 CONSECUTIVE 50 POINT GAMES (NBA RECORD)

ONLY PLAYER TO SCORE 600+ POINTS IN 3 CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFFS

62 IN 3 QUARTERS

81 POINTS

MONTHS AVERAGING 40 PPG

MOST ALL-STAR MVPS (SINCE U PUT WEIGHT ON THIS BS)

2 GOLD MEDALS (MORE THAN MJ)




GOAT

fukk on

 

[SymbolicOne09]

HIS BODY OF WORK IS UNPARALLELED



MOST ALL-NBA TEAMS

MOST ALL-DEFENSE TEAMS

TOP 5 POINTS

18 TIME ALL-STAR

5 CHAMPIONSHIPS

4 CONSECUTIVE 50 POINT GAMES (NBA RECORD)

ONLY PLAYER TO SCORE 600+ POINTS IN 3 CONSECUTIVE PLAYOFFS

62 IN 3 QUARTERS

81 POINTS

MONTHS AVERAGING 40 PPG

MOST ALL-STAR MVPS (SINCE U PUT WEIGHT ON THIS BS)

2 GOLD MEDALS (MORE THAN MJ)




GOAT

Mj has 2 gold medals but your point stands kobe had a goat career just like mj and lebron is finishing up one when the lakers run it back this year

 

[Sccit]

Told you he wouldn't go top 5

NEITHER HERE NOR THERE

BUMP THIS WHEN WE SEE HOW HE PANS OUT

 

[Box Factory]

NEITHER HERE NOR THERE

BUMP THIS WHEN WE SEE HOW HE PANS OUT

I won the debate

 

[Sccit]

I won the debate

NOT REALLY

MY ARGUMENT WAS THAT HES GUNA BE A BALLER

U SAID HE WONT BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WIGGINS OR SGA LOL

JURYS OUT SON, BUT THE FACT THAT U BUMPED IT SO PREMATURELY IS AN AUTOMATIC W FOR ME .. I FORGOT WE EVEN DISCUSSED THIS TBH LMAO

 

[Box Factory]

NOT REALLY

MY ARGUMENT WAS THAT HES GUNA BE A BALLER

U SAID HE WONT BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WIGGINS OR SGA LOL

JURYS OUT SON, BUT THE FACT THAT U BUMPED IT SO PREMATURELY IS AN AUTOMATIC W FOR ME .. I FORGOT WE EVEN DISCUSSED THIS TBH LMAO

It's one of the only reasons I knew him tbf, I'm purely hating just to troll you

 

[Sccit]

It's one of the only reasons I knew him tbf, I'm purely hating just to troll you

WELL IF U WANA BE SERIOUS, HE FELL LIKE CRAZY TO WASHINGTON

MIGHT JUST BE THE STEAL OF THE DRAFT, KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR IT