Popular NYC DJ thinks Plies is a better rapper than Jay-Z

[spliz]

Also. If someone had Cube over Nas I can't say anything cause Cube is a GOAT. this nikka above me saying Nas' last good album is LIG need to get his brain checked. Overall it doesn't seem like DJ Self likes lyrics too much. Either way he has terrible music opinions for a DJ.

 

[Drake's Tan]

Either way he has terrible musoc opinions for a DJ.

It depends what type of DJ he is.

If he were a radio station/hip hop DJ, yeah I'd say you're right.

If he was a strip club DJ, personally I'd rather hear Plies in that environment than Nas.

I love Nas, particularly his 90s stuff, Stillmatic and God's Son, but in the right time a place.

To me Nas and Plies are almost different genres of music because they're so different.

I never heard of DJ Self until this thread but I think it's dumb to compare rappers like Jay and Nas to Plies. A rock example to me would be comparing Ozzy Osborne to the Smashing Pumpkins. Like why the fukk would anyone argue such a thing since the tastes each caters to, and the lane they're in, are so different.

 

[spliz]

It depends what type of DJ he is.

If he were a radio station/hip hop DJ, yeah I'd say you're right.

If he was a strip club DJ, personally I'd rather hear Plies in that environment than Nas.

I love Nas, particularly his 90s stuff, Stillmatic and God's Son, but in the right time a place.

To me Nas and Plies are almost different genres of music because they're so different.

I never heard of DJ Self until this thread but I think it's dumb to compare rappers like Jay and Nas to Plies. A rock example to me would be comparing Ozzy Osborne to the Smashing Pumpkins. Like why the fukk would anyone argue such a thing since the tastes each caters to, and the lane they're in, are so different.

DJ Self fumbled the bag wit Cardi. He can't even get the club shyt right. nikka a goof.

 

[Drake's Tan]

DJ Self fumbled the bag wit Cardi. He can't even get the club shyt right. nikka a goof.

that's pretty bad

 

[Still Benefited]

I’ve never seen this take before but I like to hear about different viewpoints.. so you don’t consider Illmatic to be a classic..? Hate me now, if I ruled the world, ether aren’t hits/classics..?

This basically

Eh. Cube has Kill at Will, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, The Predator and the NWA sh*t under his belt.

Dude was the best MC in the game for a nice stretch, at one point. So if somebody had Cube over Nas, I think that's kinda understandable. He was untouchable for years. Easily one of the best ever. Cube and Nas are in the same class.

I dont recall the hiphop community ever considering Nas the best MC because he was killing everything. Did Nas make classics with 2 different groups(NWA,WSC)? And Guerillas in The Mist(Da Lench Mob) is up there.

Nas was annointed 5 mics and the best mc in NEW YORK. Still lost lyricist of the year to Biggie,and got the spot taken by Biggie. Biggie dies so Nas is the heir apparent and obvious choice to take the throne. Instead in comes Biggies producer Diddy. In comes Diddys protege(Mase),in comes Biggies unknown homeboy(Jay) and DMX. And irrc Biggies weedcarrier was even starting to make more noise(Jada)



Then same thing happened after he had his moment again after beating Jay. Im going to give him grace here because i think he fell back because of his moms. But the bottom line is he never even had a run of being that nikka in his own state,letalong hiphop. You cant make this argument against Cube.


But yes everything you said was classic was classic. Imo Nas has 2 classics,i wouldnt argue if you said 3(IWW questionable) and 2 near classics(IWW,LIG).

 

[prophecypro]

Is he a transplant who came to NY in the late 00s/early 10s?

 

[Pop123]

Hate to sound like a broken record… but cornballs/idiots having voices and big platforms is what really killed this shhit, quiet as kept. When the tastemakers and influencers are some of the dumbest, corniest nigs alive what do you think is gonna happen? Lol, . Internet got bozos lit…the rest is history, . I listen to Soul music, yall be safe tho, 🫡, this shhit a circus. My little cousin told me Chief Keef is better than Nas, this shhit a zoo out here

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Plies put out some great songs

 

[Pop123]

What does Jay z do that plies can't?

Use madd different flows

Incorporate wordplay/rhyming that requires above 1st-grader brain power

Creates detailed, intricate glimpses into certain aspects of life in rhyme form and doesn’t just talk about it while rhyming cat and bat and hat and gat and back and twice…

I respect Plies mind, he’s not dumb at all…but as far as rapping goes, he’s dumb and ass and if you disagree you’re dumb and ass. 🫡

 

[DontEemTry]

Eyy man, the internet got nikkas young and old sayin and doing anything to try to go viral.

Views is the new currency. Men overnight became hair salon gossips, shock jocks, online pranksters, thots, c00ns...shyt's disgustin

 

[FreshAIG]

Cube ain’t been good since the 90s. Stop the . Cube is an OG legend, but don’t be in denial of the greatness and longevity of Nas still sounding great in 2024.

I have Nas over Cube

But Cube has a GOAT argument simple for what he did between 1988-1992. That run alone puts him in the convo.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Use madd different flows

Incorporate wordplay/rhyming that requires above 1st-grader brain power

Creates detailed, intricate glimpses into certain aspects of life in rhyme form and doesn’t just talk about it while rhyming cat and bat and hat and gat and back and twice…

I respect Plies mind, he’s not dumb at all…but as far as rapping goes, he’s dumb and ass and if you disagree you’re dumb and ass. 🫡

"
Sasquatch, Godzilla, King Kong, Loch Ness
Goblin, ghoul, a zombie with no conscience
Question, what do these things all have in common?
Everybody knows I'm a motherfukkin' monster
Conquer, stomp ya, stop your silly nonsense
Nonsense, none of you nikkas know where the swamp is
None of you nikkas have seen the carnage that I've seen
I still hear fiends scream in my dreams
Murder, murder in black convertibles, I
Kill a block, I murder the avenues, I
Rape and pillage your village, women and children
Everybody want to know what my Achilles heel is
Love, I don't get enough of it
All I get is these vampires and bloodsuckers
All I see is these nikkas I made millionaires
Millin' about, spillin' they feelings in the air
All I see is these fake fukks with no fangs
Tryna draw blood from my ice-cold veins
I smell a massacre
Seems to be the only way to back you b*stards up"

Such high level wordplay

 

[Still Benefited]

Use madd different flows

Incorporate wordplay/rhyming that requires above 1st-grader brain power

Creates detailed, intricate glimpses into certain aspects of life in rhyme form and doesn’t just talk about it while rhyming cat and bat and hat and gat and back and twice…

I respect Plies mind, he’s not dumb at all…but as far as rapping goes, he’s dumb and ass and if you disagree you’re dumb and ass. 🫡

Jay at his best was just spitting game and saying real shyt. He got worst when people started gassing him for flows and being lyrical. If we talking about just saying real shyt/game. Quotable for quotable ,its closer than people are willing to imagine.

 

[DontEemTry]

"
Sasquatch, Godzilla, King Kong, Loch Ness
Goblin, ghoul, a zombie with no conscience
Question, what do these things all have in common?
Everybody knows I'm a motherfukkin' monster
Conquer, stomp ya, stop your silly nonsense
Nonsense, none of you nikkas know where the swamp is
None of you nikkas have seen the carnage that I've seen
I still hear fiends scream in my dreams
Murder, murder in black convertibles, I
Kill a block, I murder the avenues, I
Rape and pillage your village, women and children
Everybody want to know what my Achilles heel is
Love, I don't get enough of it
All I get is these vampires and bloodsuckers
All I see is these nikkas I made millionaires
Millin' about, spillin' they feelings in the air
All I see is these fake fukks with no fangs
Tryna draw blood from my ice-cold veins
I smell a massacre
Seems to be the only way to back you b*stards up"

Such high level wordplay

Reads much better than it sounded to be honest.
I hate this verse with a passion but at least it stuck to the topic.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Every one better than jay


Now that we all agree


No one should bring up why the salty jay didn’t preform at hip-hop 50