Poll: Is military service/being a vet under appreciated or over appreciated?

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Seriously, like the other breh said it's a straight up cheat code. Paychecks stack up on top of your current job, school is paid for, no down payment on a house required.

What does that tell you? That means you get all the benefits of a college degree if you finish school, but while everyone is paying off school debt, you're saving for a house. So while some folks have $100k-$200k in student debt they got to pay, you're spending that $100k-$200k saving up for property.

That's not even the cheat code either, because the military benefits include buying a house with zero downpayment. So that $100k-$200k you're saving can actually go into a second house.

Again, this is all on top of whatever career you built because you went to school too. Plus to interviewers if you have military experience on your resume, they know you get things done so you automatically are nearly an automatic win. Even if you have a coding bootcamp and military experience you'd leap to the top of the candidates list the mass majority of the time.

Plus not to mention the doors that are open to you because you served and have a degree that most people with only degrees don't have access to. Those jobs are amongst the highest paid in the world.

Stack all that up, get two or more properties that you own. Rent one or more out out, retire and see more of the world.

Folks here are a little bitter because military veterans get catered to, well then sign up because it's right there to take advantage of. If I were younger and knew what I knew now, I definitely would have. I see people around me retiring left and right in their 30's because of they served in the military and are seeing the benefits.

Repped for the honesty but you admitted yourself not everybody can do this. You gotta find it crazy that the average person is paying for someone else (whether you want to or not) to have a cheat code that gives them a free college education while they're saddled with loans, no down payment on a house while they're locked in on a mortgage, and resumes/applications that are pushed to the top while they have to earn their job outright. That shyt follows them for the rest of their life and meanwhile the age for retirement is increasing, people are working later into their life, the middle class is shrinking-- And muhfukkas STILL want YOU to thank em for their service That's a raw deal

 

[TrebleMan]

Repped for the honesty but you admitted yourself not everybody can do this. You gotta find it crazy that the average person is paying for someone else (whether you want to or not) to have a cheat code that gives them a free college education while they're saddled with loans, no down payment on a house while they're locked in on a mortgage, and resumes/applications that are pushed to the top while they have to earn their job outright. That shyt follows them for the rest of their life and meanwhile the age for retirement is increasing, people are working later into their life, the middle class is shrinking-- And muhfukkas STILL want YOU to thank em for their service That's a raw deal

Regarding the bolded, what I'm saying is If two people get STEM degrees from the same schools, the person who also has military experience is going to come out far ahead at the end of the day when it comes to employment, opportunities and pay.

But even using the logic of what you posted here, people need to ask themselves, why not join then? If you could retire early, own multiple houses, get a free education, etc. then why didn't you and why aren't you?

A lot of folks don't join because they (as 14-17 year olds) think they're going to give up their youth. Those 18-23 ages seem really important to some people. At the end of the day though, they won't see the same benefits down the road.

I work in software and I just see people who have military experience in the same company doing the same thing retire far earlier than other people with the same jobs. I know somebody who came back to work just because dude got bored with early retirement after retiring from another company thanks to all the military benefits on top of the pay he was getting as an engineer.

It's really just the way the world works: folks will always cater to and love folks who served in the military. Folks who are opposed to it may want it to be one way, but it's really the other way.

Also the military will always see great benefits, simply because of who they are and what they bring. That is literally the only group the government and multi-billionaires would never dare to piss off. There are billionaires who never served, but would never disrespect them, why do you think that is? It's because you're literally only as strong as what protects you and if you have the armed forces saying "fukk you" then your country/company is going to shyt. They don't want to see that, so they'll go out of their way to please and cater to them. Even if you had the most anti-war president in the world, dude would not even consider slighting the military.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Regarding the bolded, what I'm saying is If two people get STEM degrees from the same schools, the person who also has military experience is going to come out far ahead at the end of the day when it comes to employment, opportunities and pay.

But even using the logic of what you posted here, people need to ask themselves, why not join then? If you could retire early, own multiple houses, get a free education, etc. then why didn't you and why aren't you?

A lot of folks don't join because they (as 14-17 year olds) think they're going to give up their youth. Those 18-23 ages seem really important to some people. At the end of the day though, they won't see the same benefits down the road.

I work in software and I just see people who have military experience in the same company doing the same thing retire far earlier than other people with the same jobs. I know somebody who came back to work just because dude got bored with early retirement after retiring from another company thanks to all the military benefits on top of the pay he was getting as an engineer.

It's really just the way the world works: folks will always cater to and love folks who served in the military. Folks who are opposed to it may want it to be one way, but it's really the other way.

Also the military will always see great benefits, simply because of who they are and what they bring. That is literally the only group the government and multi-billionaires would never dare to piss off. You're literally only as strong as what protects you and if you have the armed forces saying "fukk you" then your country is going to shyt. They don't want to see that, so they'll go out of their way to please and cater to them. Even if you had the most anti-war president in the world, dude would not even consider slighting the military.

I understood everything you said and man... I don't wanna say the wrong thing, but this whole set up is just... Familiar, yet different

 

[TrebleMan]

I understood everything you said and man... I don't wanna say the wrong thing, but this whole set up is just... Familiar, yet different

I definitely see where you're coming from. But it's just the nature of the world breh. That's the best answer I can give. Maybe if we were born at another time it'd have been different.

Truth be told, got to make the best of what we can because we can't control everything.

To be honest, it's not really about being under or over-appreciated, but the real question is if the military is overpowered. I think we all know the answer to that.

 

[Micky Mikey]

I think vets are treated poorly in terms of not having thr available resources when coping with mental/emotional trauma.

On another note I think we have this silly notion that vets are some how more righteous and honorable than the average joe. In the grand scheme soldiers are just pawns for the military industrial complex and contribute more to human suffering than actual good. Most of the time I feel sorry for a lot of them. Especially the ones that have lost their limbs or are suffering with PTSD. They sacrificed they're whole lives for absolutely nothing. We give them mock patriotic praise knowing full well that they're really just suckers.

 

[yung Herbie Hancock]

I understood everything you said and man... I don't wanna say the wrong thing, but this whole set up is just... Familiar, yet different

Breh do you know why our economy is even the way it is? It's because we have the most powerful navy in the world. That means that we're the sheriff at sea. We don't have to depend on another country for our goods to get from point A to point B. Also, we make sure that there is no lawlessness out at sea. If our navy wasn't so large you would have merchant ships getting attacked by pirates (this is very common near Somalia for example). Our goods can get from country to A to country B without interruption.
Also, this thing that you call the "military industrial complex" is how every country you see today industrialized. For Europe and America it was WW2. For Japan it was the Korean war. hell if it wasn't for the Korean war Japan would not be as rich as they are today. Factories all over Japan were suddenly useful again and big companies such as mistubishy, Toyota etc. started producing products for the war effort. This means more jobs.
Japanese economic miracle - Wikipedia
Japanese economic takeoff after 1945

The "military industrial complex" also gives people jobs and ushers in innovation. Engineers and scientists conducting research at Lockheed Martin ,Raytheon etc. usher in new technologies that revolutionize businesses in the private sector. A good example of this is the Xbox kinect. The Xbox kinect's VR technology was actually initially developed by the military. The technology eventually trickled into the civilian world via Xbox kinect. If you didn't know already Xbox kinect is responsible for ushering in the VR revolution that we are having right now. Doctors are even about to start using VR to make surgeries more effective


Same goes for self driving car. The initial tech that made self driving cars was developed by government contractors.

Yes war is bad but you can't avoid it. The military industrial a lot of jobs and results in ground breaking technology. Fun fact, DARPA is at least 20 years ahead of the civilian world when it comes to tech. It has always been that way but for security reasons you won't find out until nearly 50 years from now. I typed this up really fast so there might be a lot of grammar errors .

 

[newworldafro]

Just went to a Lowes, they had 1 or 2 spaces near front reserved for vetetans.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Breh do you know why our economy is even the way it is? It's because we have the most powerful navy in the world. That means that we're the sheriff at sea. We don't have to depend on another country for our goods to get from point A to point B. Also, we make sure that there is no lawlessness out at sea. If our navy wasn't so large you would have merchant ships getting attacked by pirates (this is very common near Somalia for example). Our goods can get from country to A to country B without interruption.
Also, this thing that you call the "military industrial complex" is how every country you see today industrialized. For Europe and America it was WW2. For Japan it was the Korean war. hell if it wasn't for the Korean war Japan would not be as rich as they are today. Factories all over Japan were suddenly useful again and big companies such as mistubishy, Toyota etc. started producing products for the war effort. This means more jobs.
Japanese economic miracle - Wikipedia
Japanese economic takeoff after 1945

The "military industrial complex" also gives people jobs and ushers in innovation. Engineers and scientists conducting research at Lockheed Martin ,Raytheon etc. usher in new technologies that revolutionize businesses in the private sector. A good example of this is the Xbox kinect. The Xbox kinect's VR technology was actually initially developed by the military. The technology eventually trickled into the civilian world via Xbox kinect. If you didn't know already Xbox kinect is responsible for ushering in the VR revolution that we are having right now. Doctors are even about to start using VR to make surgeries more effective


Same goes for self driving car. The initial tech that made self driving cars was developed by government contractors.

Yes war is bad but you can't avoid it. The military industrial a lot of jobs and results in ground breaking technology. Fun fact, DARPA is at least 20 years ahead of the civilian world when it comes to tech. It has always been that way but for security reasons you won't find out until nearly 50 years from now. I typed this up really fast so there might be a lot of grammar errors .

I didn't say a word about the "military industrial complex", that was @the cac mamba . Let's not pretend all that money is used to protect our borders though

Just went to a Lowes, they had 1 or 2 spaces near front reserved for vetetans.

So you pulled up to that muhfukka double parked it sideways?

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Asking after appreciated that was bushed. I'm not critiquing anyone's decision to join Just questioning the value our country puts on military service vs the general public.

When it comes to combat vets, I'd definitely agree they're under appreciated in terms of all the health services they need. From the outside looking in though... for general vets at least, it just feels crazy out here. On top of all the money earned, free money for school, benefits for cars and homes, etc. vets come out to specialized programs in the private sector specifically for them, special job fairs, special loans and discounts, etc, etc. My pops was in the Air Force, that muhfukka didn't see no damn combat He as an airplane mechanic or a fuel specialist or something-- but he's still reaping benefits from it more than 30 years later.

Meanwhile as a citizen, two of the biggest topics over the years have been the housing bubble and student loan crises. Getting benefits is seen as being a moocher, you're taking a hit on student loans if you can't earn scholarships and grants, sub prime loans, etc. 4 years of college vs 4 years of service is drastically different in terms of what it can actually provide you in the long run-- but citizens make that possible with taxes-- and then we "thank you for your service" and protecting our freedom to be in debt

If any of this comes off as hating then I guess I kinda am my pops talked me out of joining when I graduated and I never thought much of it after but these days, I come across so many dope opportunities I can't take part in cuz I'm not a vet It's still respect but sometimes it comes off like a separate class of citizens. America has Vets/Police/Citizens/Felons imo, in that order. There's a lot of shyt I don't understand about that life though, so I'm all ears

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Just listen to this guy talk about the benefits and discounts he receives (timestamped )

 

[BucciMane]

Decades ago, it would be under-appreciated. Now, in some regards, it can be over-stated.

Many now are NOT in actual combat areas/missions. If we're talking about 40 years ago and Vietnam, pretty much all of them were in combat situations. That is a MAJOR difference between now (for a majority) and back in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WW!, etc.

 

[jwinfield]

 

[semicko82]

Asking after appreciated that was bushed. I'm not critiquing anyone's decision to join Just questioning the value our country puts on military service vs the general public.

When it comes to combat vets, I'd definitely agree they're under appreciated in terms of all the health services they need. From the outside looking in though... for general vets at least, it just feels crazy out here. On top of all the money earned, free money for school, benefits for cars and homes, etc. vets come out to specialized programs in the private sector specifically for them, special job fairs, special loans and discounts, etc, etc. My pops was in the Air Force, that muhfukka didn't see no damn combat He as an airplane mechanic or a fuel specialist or something-- but he's still reaping benefits from it more than 30 years later.

Meanwhile as a citizen, two of the biggest topics over the years have been the housing bubble and student loan crises. Getting benefits is seen as being a moocher, you're taking a hit on student loans if you can't earn scholarships and grants, sub prime loans, etc. 4 years of college vs 4 years of service is drastically different in terms of what it can actually provide you in the long run-- but citizens make that possible with taxes-- and then we "thank you for your service" and protecting our freedom to be in debt

If any of this comes off as hating then I guess I kinda am my pops talked me out of joining when I graduated and I never thought much of it after but these days, I come across so many dope opportunities I can't take part in cuz I'm not a vet It's still respect but sometimes it comes off like a separate class of citizens. America has Vets/Police/Citizens/Felons imo, in that order. There's a lot of shyt I don't understand about that life though, so I'm all ears

Why did your pops talk you out?

 

[The Up Right Man]

Still, that's the only major benefit you get for wasting 4 years of your life (this depends on your job). The job I had in the military doesn't translate to the civilian world so I essentially wasted 4 years of my life. I'm 4 years behind my peers . I should at the very least also get free health care for the fukkkery they put me through too (exposure to chemicals without a respirator, extreme noises from jets etc.).

OS?

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Why did your pops talk you out?

I graduated in the heat of Iraq/Afghanistan and he was like "If you join they gon put your black ass RIGHT on the front lines "



Him and all my uncles served but none of us sons did.

 

[Jesus]

Did any of you coli nikkas serve? Do any of you coli nikkas pay taxes? Who the fukk cares what you nikka incels think?