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Yea.. people can change for the better breh.. but that type of change takes far too long. And time isn't a luxury our people have any more of...
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Yea.. people can change for the better breh.. but that type of change takes far too long. And time isn't a luxury our people have any more of...
You think people have less time now than we did in the 1950s? Why? What makes you think we suddenly done run out of time?
Of COURSE real change takes time. Duh. That's why we should start working on it instead of sitting on our asses.
My daughter gonna be born this month. Let's say real change takes 15 years. Well I'll be overjoyed to have a changed world by the time she 15. Hell, I'll be overjoyed to have a changed world by the time she 25. But that only works if we doing the right thing now!
Too many people think that doing the right thing means doing nothing. They think they can chase those stacks and look out for themselves their whole lives, and then they wonder how nothing changes. You HAVE to work for the community to make things change, you have to sacrifice moving yourself up in the White man's ranks and work to move the whole community up instead.
You give me an example of a time when someone changed things fast, and they ended up righteously better. Give me an example where they said, "That type of change takes far too long" and picked something faster, and their type of change actually ended up for the greater good in their long run.
You should never give anyone "a pass" for being racist. If I were interacting with 1880s Gandhi then I would give it to him. Thank God he lived past that.
The reason it helps to know how it happened is so you can understand it and work to change the situation. I ain't on no bleeding heart agenda, I'm on some REALITY agenda. It's hard to change the world unless you understand it. MLK Jr. understood how people thought and legit changed the world in the process. He didn't have no patience with people who refused to change, he wasn't even patient with people who claimed to be anti-racist but who weren't doing anything in the trenches. But he DID give people the chance to choose sides and affirmed the ones who chose the right side.
And the "Gandhi's statues got taken down" stuff happened on some total ignorance. By the time Gandhi died he was respected and appreciated across all of Africa - you can see Kwame Nkrumah, Albert Luthuli, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Julius Nyerere, Kenneth Kaunda, even Joshua Nkomo and Amino Kano all praising him and calling him an inspiration.
The problem is actually internal Indian politics. Gandhi was killed by racist Hindu Nationalists who believed that Hindus should dominate India based on high-caste Hindu principles, and they hated that Gandhi reached out to people of all races and religions and fought for equality. Those Hindu Nationalists opposed Gandhi when he was alive and have had a vendetta against him forever - they literally print the manifesto of Gandhi's assassin and sell it in regular bookstores (along with Mein Kampf, they were actual allies of Hitler too). Some of those Hindu Nationalists along with some old bitter British haters who have never forgiven Gandhi for demolishing their colonialism have worked overtime to spread any negative portrayals about him they can. THEY are the ones who spread the "Gandhi is racist" narrative in Indian and British publications, only including the pre-1906 quotes and not saying crap about what he did over the next 40 years of his life. Unfortunately, some African people who didn't know the history read that about believed it 100%, even though their leaders two generations earlier could have told them the truth. But easy slams always spread faster than nuanced truth.
Man, some 15 years ago I was on a trip to Morehouse and made a point of seeing MLK's old home along the way. There's a three-room museum there now celebrating his life. One entire room of that museum is about Gandhi. MLK Jr., like a lot of other African and African-American leaders of that time, admired Gandhi and learned everything they could about him and his techniques. They knew a lot more about him than most modern people do, they read far more of his writings. Martin even went to India to walk the streets he'd walked and talk to his family and co-strugglers. In that day and age it wasn't at all a surprise that someone would be a racist in their youth and then change, that was everyone's story, there were hardly no people were "born" non-racist at that point.
It's only in this modern PC era where we rush to put everyone on the Summer Jam Screen that nuance gets thrown out the window. That, combined with the haters who have wanted to take Gandhi down for 100+ years, are the reasons you only hear that one narrative.
Except you don't defeat evil by being evil. You think that works anywhere? Even if you win, the result is as bad or worse than what you had before. Sure, the Afghans beat the Soviets with violence, but they just killed each other in the wake. Sure, the Somalis drove the Americans out of Somalia with violence in 1993...and how did that go for the people? Saddam Hussein won power with violence, then started his own violent wars that destroyed his people, then was overthrown with violence, but that only led the country to descend into more violence.
Jesus DID win by fighting evil with good. Gandhi DID pull a win. MLK Jr. DID pull a win. Nelson Mandela DID pull a win. Look at how the Filipinos threw Marcos out of power, or how the Poles and the rest of those countries drove the USSR out for good. Claiming you have to be a blood-thirsty conqueror in order to beat the conqueror is a bs White Supremacy narrative. It only leads to more destruction and death.
Even if you were right...you still lose. Because they have more numbers, more guns, and more money. They have literally every strategic advantage to fight the exact kind of war you want to fight, and yet you want to fight on THEIR terms? How dumb is that? If you want to win the fight, you have to fight a fight that they can't win with money, that they can't win with numbers, that they can't win with guns. You have to fight the fight that puts moral righteousness and the power of God on your side. That is the ONLY way that the good guys ever win. That is the ONLY way that life ever gets better for the people.
There ain't never been too many saints. The only reason that movements have ever stopped making progress is because people STOPPED being morally righteous. When people stopped fighting for progress in righteous ways, they stopped making progress. When people got too caught up in money and power and politics and all that bs, they stopped making the sacrifices that needed to be made. And it WILL take sacrifice in the struggle. But only sacrifices for good do any good in the long run.
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Global Domination
You have a rising tide of far-right nationalism and ethno-nationalism globally. Mix that with a global economy that will most likely detonate in the 12 yrs.....
we don't got generations left to keep trying to change this country or non-black people in it.
Sitting on our asses?...We have been at this shyt for centuries.
I'm not offended on behalf of Asians. Let them handle that.
I just think she sounds dumb as hell and it's insulting that politicians such as this think childish shyt like this is all that is needed to get the black vote in some places. What is she doing to make Detroit a better place for the people who live there?
Reminds me of the type of insults Cory Booker was facing in his first campaign. I'm not even the biggest fan of Booker. There was a documentary about it called street fight and this chick reminded me of the dude he was running against who was there for decades and got to a point he thought so little of his constituetes that the only thing he felt he needed to talk about to get votes was talk about Booker being mixed. It shows how little politicians of that type think of their voters intelligence. Hell, it's the same shyt I think about people who voted for trump.becuase he "tells it like it is" and not much else .
She sounds like a dumbass.
I just think she sounds dumb as hell and it's insulting that politicians such as this think childish shyt like this is all that is needed to get the black vote in some places. What is she doing to make Detroit a better place for the people who live there?
Reminds me of the type of insults Cory Booker was facing in his first campaign. I'm not even the biggest fan of Booker. There was a documentary about it called street fight and this chick reminded me of the dude he was running against who was there for decades and got to a point he thought so little of his constituetes that the only thing he felt he needed to talk about to get votes was talk about Booker being mixed. It shows how little politicians of that type think of their voters intelligence. Hell, it's the same shyt I think about people who voted for trump.becuase he "tells it like it is" and not much else .
She sounds like a dumbass.
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These arm chair coli militants nikkas are some of the fakest ‘woke’ muthafukkas I have ever seen. Dudes are a walking contradiction and spout the same ideology as the people they hate.
Well breh, congrats on your daughter and thank you for having a conversation with me and spitting knowledge. Appreciate it. I’ve learned quite a bit about the Gandhi situation. I may alter my views on it, but I think the young black people in Africa who had Gandhi’s statues removed, are coming from a place of misguided but righteous indignation about anti-blackness and it’s existence. I applaud them for taking action and doing what they felt they needed to do. It’s important that they know the whole truth but I think bringing a resurgence of pro-Africanist policies and ideology takes precedent over history lessons. But overall, thanks for spreading knowledge. That is genuinely cool.
And to be fair, weren’t Jesus and Gandhi killed all the same just like Saddam? In my mind it doesn’t matter the methods or the morality, one could be slain anyhow. Jesus was crucified and allegedly came back, only to leave the world a sinful cesspit and Saddam has power but still died and will go down in infamy. Neither man was victorious but I don’t blame their morality just their luck really. But to get back on topic. Blacks can’t afford to play nice.
The Afghans and the Somalis lost because there was no direction after their righteous rebellions concluded. With black people, I don’t propose a righteous rebellion, against white dominion but a way of life and several ideologies that guarantees success. I am all about success for blacks at any cost. The same way other groups think. I admire your morality tho. I’ve long given up on God. It’s not that don’t believe in God but I feel if there is a God, it is distant and uninterested in humanity. Perhaps, my view of power and power exchange are very Darwinian. Yet I tire of seeing black children always living in struggle. I want that to change at any cost, even a radical one.
You are smart guy. I don’t fully agree with you but you made many valid points. I don’t hate anyone and I don’t believe in fighting evil with evil but ultimately something has got to give. Either white dominion or black people will crack first and someone will have to make the first move towards black progression. Thank you for talking to me breh.
I’m not a militant, nor am I an armchair activist. I also despise the word “woke”. If you have a problem with ideas I espouse, confront me directly. Hardly feel I am saying anything hateful. The problem with black people is that they are generally too nice and want to make others feel safe around them. Black people are incapable of being as cut throat and as devoted to their progression as other groups. I see us being an underclass for a very long time
This is the district I live in. Stephanie outworked every other candidate by a mile. She walked down streets that no other politicians ever visit and talk to voters. We’ve never had a state rep hold town halls and answer questions. And her liberal politics reflect the area. Whenever a Detroit politician lead off with ‘I’m black’, I already know they’re on fukk shyt.
BlaqkSpliffin
Ni**as Still Weird - Me
We dead in these streets breh. We're handicapped by humanity and a need to be nice to everyone eve tho everyone treats us like shyt. I've never understood why black people take such pride in being morally superior over other races in the sense "we don't treat them how they treat us". Our inability to do whats necessary regardless of how everyone else feels about it is why we'll still be asking for "equality" 50 years from now.
That’s what I’m saying breh! Black people keep talking about black power but ain’t doing nothing to get black power.
It pisses me off to see grown black men on that “we have to be morally superior” shyt. It’s disingenious to me. The only reason black people talk like that is because it’s all we have. Black people have become known as doormats to other races, so on some reverse psychology shyt, we twisted it into a good thing. We’ve turned ourselves into kind hearted martyrs who love everybody, when they reality we are just to afraid to hurt peoples feelings by being competitive and honest.
Instead of achieving liberation and autonomy, we will be stuck begging for the scraps of the more daring and competitive races. Idc tho. Can’t cry over grown people who don’t want to help themselves.
StretfordRed
Afro-European
Disgusting behaviour
...and even worse eyebrows
...and even worse eyebrows
An individual being offensive for the sake of being offensive is not someone you want to get behind
More so than in the 1930s? You had both of those elements in even greater quantities then AND a Black population with far, far less global power...and what happened?
Political trends come and go, economic trends come and go, but the root issues remain the same and the effective ways to fight them remain the same. You're fighting against that rising tide of far-right nationalism and ethno-nationalism with....?
There were righteous people fighting in the struggle during slavery. They fought in the struggle during the Civil War. They fought in Reconstruction and they fought in Segregation. They fought during the Depression, the fought during World War II, they fought during the Civil Rights Movement, they fought during Vietnam and they fought during the Crack Era.
The people willing to fight have always been a minority, though in some special moments (Reconstruction, the Civil Rights Movement) they were a much bigger minority than in other moments. But there always been people fighting. What do you really think is going to happen in the next decade that will suddenly put an end to the fight?
Stuff can get bad, but it will never get so bad that there won't be a reason to continue the struggle.
Who is "we"? The vast majority of people I interact with aren't doing crap. They aren't getting themselves educated, they ain't taking part in the struggle, they ain't even looking to see what they can do on a regular basis to lift up their community. There have been "some" people doing that from time to time, but only in special moments has it been enough to make real change.Sitting on our asses?...We have been at this shyt for centuries.
If you live somewhere where most of the people most of the time are working for revolution, then good on you. I'd love to hear about it. But I been around, and most the places I go only a few of the young people are really working. The rest spend all their time making money, playin on social media, partying, or trying to get laid. For every one person who has devoted themselves to the cause I see fifty who really are sitting on their asses.
