Police Brutality against Me and My family Sept 2 2019 *whole family arrested*

[King Ming]

WTF!?

 

[Kurt off them percs]

I don't know how it works in florida, but up here, the DMV was closed for months cuz of covid so they gave everyone who had expired plates a grace period til the end of october. do they not have a comparable policy down there?

this was sept 2019

 

[Unknown Poster]

All Things Considered this is what I do not like about America.

I have no criminal record, no warrants, nothing. And still these cops making me terrified to even drive out here. Like a simple traffic stop could be a death sentence as a black person in this country.

Even if you comply with everything they do. You can still get brutalized or killed simply because you might be dealing with a fukking racist who wants to kill you and get away with it.

 

[Wildin]

@Chez Lopez

I can't get myself to watch this vid. Hits to close to home with us being on the same forum and I don't want to hear your kids cry.

If you want to advocate for other options like changing the protocols for arresting parents in front of their kids, I'll die on that hill with you.

Most of the time people don't even want to take that ride. I don't know if you were willing to release your children to the police and allow them to take them to the station while the police take you and your wife in the back of the car willingly just so the kids don't have to witness the arguing, yelling, forceful commands, tasing/fighting or even worse your death.

I'm a strong believer in you're not going to win an argument with a cop on the side of the road. That arguing yelling at cops works for white people because most cops are white an they are like "well he's not dangerous, he's justifiably angry, I've been angry myself." They see themselves or their siblings,parents, children in their suspects.

I think the entire imagery of seeing your mom or pops in cuffs head down being led into a car is damaging to a child. Whether the parent did something fukked up or not. To witness that live, kids aren't gonna be able to process and understand the "well there are procedures and protocols." "There are laws." Etc.

I'm not saying you'd willingly let your kids hop into the back of a cop car and watch them pull off while things 'appear' peaceful so you can take that ride but right now Im not aware of any rules that says that police have to lookout for the welfare of the child.

 

[Chez Lopez]

@Chez Lopez

I can't get myself to watch this vid. Hits to close to home with us being on the same forum and I don't want to hear your kids cry.

If you want to advocate for other options like changing the protocols for arresting parents in front of their kids, I'll die on that hill with you.

Most of the time people don't even want to take that ride. I don't know if you were willing to release your children to the police and allow them to take them to the station while the police take you and your wife in the back of the car willingly just so the kids don't have to witness the arguing, yelling, forceful commands, tasing/fighting or even worse your death.

I'm a strong believer in you're not going to win an argument with a cop on the side of the road. That arguing yelling at cops works for white people because most cops are white an they are like "well he's not dangerous, he's justifiably angry, I've been angry myself." They see themselves or their siblings,parents, children in their suspects.

I think the entire imagery of seeing your mom or pops in cuffs head down being led into a car is damaging to a child. Whether the parent did something fukked up or not. To witness that live, kids aren't gonna be able to process and understand the "well there are procedures and protocols." "There are laws." Etc.

I'm not saying you'd willingly let your kids hop into the back of a cop car and watch them pull off while things 'appear' peaceful so you can take that ride but right now Im not aware of any rules that says that police have to lookout for the welfare of the child.

There are. That is who takes the children into custody therefore there are protocols. If there are not, then there need to be. It should not be up to an officers discretion. That's what this is about, traffic violations that can lead to detainment. For blacks it is them all, with instant judgement up to death. With white people it is not the same. This is important for that reason.

I understand that this is a nuanced situation, but to inflict violence upon a family that is clearly distressed is abuse of power. Plain and simple.

 

[Chez Lopez]

All Things Considered this is what I do not like about America.

I have no criminal record, no warrants, nothing. And still these cops making me terrified to even drive out here. Like a simple traffic stop could be a death sentence as a black person in this country.

Even if you comply with everything they do. You can still get brutalized or killed simply because you might be dealing with a fukking racist who wants to kill you and get away with it.

Yes. I am a veteran as well, which my bumper sticker indicates. Lol. When I was deployed to iraq this concept was a thing. If we were attacked or bombed, any male civilian in the immediate area was fair game to someone who wanted a kill. Innocent or not most knew who was involved and who wasnt but just wanted a kill, because the enemy was dehumanized and we were all desensitized to their deaths.

I am afraid the responses i am getting here are an indication that here is exactly the same as there. Even the victims are desensitized and are quick to blame the victim and not the aggressor.

 

[Chez Lopez]

because you went to your wife's traffic stop to interfere with an arrest. That's grounds for detainment, pick up and read case law books instead of reading them dusty ass black Israelite Yahweh books. shyt won't do anything for you but give you a false sense of entitlement, like that video shows.

No lawyer is gonna be bothered with this

lol already have one. and have had one for months.

 

[Wildin]

There are. That is who takes the children into custody therefore there are protocols. If there are not, then there need to be. It should not be up to an officers discretion. That's what this is about, traffic violations that can lead to detainment. For blacks it is them all, with instant judgement up to death. With white people it is not the same. This is important for that reason.

I understand that this is a nuanced situation, but to inflict violence upon a family that is clearly distressed is abuse of power. Plain and simple.

I understand that. For the sake of your kids, what would you have been willing to do in order for them to not get traumatized?

The kids are pawns, they don't have a choice. It'd be different if it were just you and your wife. Once the cops make a decision or that or those particular cops make a decision I don't know of any words or magic words you're going to say to make them go "/ you're right."

I dont believe getting out of the car is the answer (because being black they usually don't let you enter and exit cars all Willy nilly). Stay in the car. Calmly request their sgt or lieutenant. Provide them with pertinent information, additional information and see what options there are. Those are the bosses/decision makers. Everything the beat officers do go through or are authorized through them. You arguing with someone that has no power or flexibility.

 

[Chez Lopez]

I understand that. For the sake of your kids, what would you have been willing to do in order for them to not get traumatized?

The kids are pawns, they don't have a choice. It'd be different if it were just you and your wife. Once the cops make a decision or that or those particular cops make a decision I don't know of any words or magic words you're going to say to make them go "/ you're right."

I dont believe getting out of the car is the answer (because being black they usually don't let you enter and exit cars all Willy nilly). Stay in the car. Calmly request their sgt or lieutenant. Provide them with pertinent information, additional information and see what options there are. Those are the bosses/decision makers. Everything the beat officers do go through or are authorized through them. You arguing with someone that has no power or flexibility.

Thats exactly what i did. My wife followed me in a separate car. when she was pulled over i stopped ahaead and the officer was informed who i was and that I was waiting on her. I rolled my window down to ask the officer for mercy. And someone early said it, it was like blood in the water.

I never left the car. I gave my license through the window which he saw and did not run. I was never mirandized or given a reason why I was arrested. I found out when I was bailed what my charges were, two days later. I was arrested for the officer not liking that I did not like him arresting my wife. According to law that is not obstruction of justice.


"KeyCite Red Flag - Severe Negative Treatment Disapproved of by Stryker v. State, Ga.App., March 27, 2009 245 Ga.App. 842 Court of Appeals of Georgia. BALLEW v. The STATE. No. A00A1994. | Sept. 8, 2000. |

Certiorari Denied April 30, 2001.

Synopsis Defendant was convicted in the Superior Court, Jackson County, Motes, J., of obstruction of an officer, and he appealed. The Court of Appeals, Eldridge, J., held that evidence was insufficient to support conviction. Reversed. West Headnotes (5)

[1] Obstructing Justice Interfering with Performance of Official Duties Obstructing Justice Interfering with performance of official duties Evidence was insufficient to support conviction for obstruction of an officer; defendant ordered officer off his property and cursed, but did not make threats. O.C.G.A. § 16–10–24. 3 Cases that cite this headnote

[2] Obstructing Justice Interfering with Performance of Official Duties A mere verbal exchange with an officer accompanied by no verbal or physical threats of violence does not constitute obstruction of an officer. O.C.G.A. § 16–10–24. 4 Cases that cite this headnote

[3] Obstructing Justice Intimidating or threatening officer For speech to rise to the level of obstruction of an officer, it must reasonably be interpreted to be a threat of violence to the officer, which would amount to obstruction or hindrance. O.C.G.A. § 16–10–24. 8 Cases that cite this headnote

[4] Obstructing Justice Interfering with Performance of Official Duties To argue with, curse loudly at, and verbally interrupt a police officer while making the arrest of another does not constitute obstruction of a police officer. O.C.G.A. § 16–10–24. 4 Cases that cite this headnote

[5] Criminal Law Reasonable doubt The standard for reviewing a denial of a motion for a directed verdict of acquittal is whether the evidence was sufficient for a rational trier of fact to find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was guilty of the charged offense. Attorneys and Law Firms **902 *844 Harvey, McCormack & Free, Paula O. Free, Jefferson, Benjamin C. Free, Winder, for appellant."

 

[Chez Lopez]

I understand that. For the sake of your kids, what would you have been willing to do in order for them to not get traumatized?

The kids are pawns, they don't have a choice. It'd be different if it were just you and your wife. Once the cops make a decision or that or those particular cops make a decision I don't know of any words or magic words you're going to say to make them go "/ you're right."

I dont believe getting out of the car is the answer (because being black they usually don't let you enter and exit cars all Willy nilly). Stay in the car. Calmly request their sgt or lieutenant. Provide them with pertinent information, additional information and see what options there are. Those are the bosses/decision makers. Everything the beat officers do go through or are authorized through them. You arguing with someone that has no power or flexibility.

I do get this is a dangerous situation, and again if it was today I may have allowed them to arrest my wife without protest. But not likely. Its not a slam dunk case because clearly they can do what they want. Even the above is an appeal.

 

[mattw1313]

Thank you.

I was calm until they began to arrest my wife for something i know was routine. I then begged them not to arrest her. I never left my van and never threatened them. I was charged with obstruction of justice for protesting against her arrest from 20 yards away and for not submitting to my arrest without charge.

my only contribution to this thread: stay strong, don't beg or plead with these devils. ever. it's not gonna change their mind, but it feeds into what they're trying to do, and they're getting off on the power it makes them believe they have.

God forbid this happens again to you or happens to anyone else here, just tell your wife to stay calm and not talk to the pigs, record everything, and go pick her up when they release her probably the same day

 

[Chez Lopez]

my only contribution to this thread: stay strong, don't beg or plead with these devils. ever. it's not gonna change their mind, but it feeds into what they're trying to do, and they're getting off on the power it makes them believe they have.

God forbid this happens again to you or happens to anyone else here, just tell your wife to stay calm and not talk to the pigs, record everything, and go pick her up when they release her probably the same day

Very good advice and yes she was released the same day.

 

[Htrb-nvr-blk-&-ug-as-evr]

The question now is...is ya’lls shyt legit now? It’s been a month. You got tags, license reinstated, registration updated, insurance coverage?

 

[Chez Lopez]

The question now is...is ya’lls shyt legit now? It’s been a month. You got tags, license reinstated, registration updated, insurance coverage?

this was a year ago and yes we are good

 

[beenz]

this was sept 2019