Pittsburgh landlords sue the city over eviction moratorium

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The data has been clear, in general real estate is not a good investment for Black folks.

What thread is this? Interested in reading.

@88m3 I created a spreadsheet to evaluate the prospects of buying a rental property. I concluded that the downside of possible tenant default, repairs, plus the opportunity cost of a 20% down payment was too great for me to ever consider anything beyond a small property. Obviously the math differs from person to person, but it is something that should be looked at before commiting to buying real estate.
 

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lol @ believing all these people are gonna actually make good on back rent. if they can't pay their 800-2000/month, they'll all of a suddenly have 5-20k in back rent?

anyway, some places like CA, where it was already a year long process to evict someone for just cause, went too far with these moratoriums. at min, requiring some proof of impact would've at least ensured it was tenants who actually need the protection receiving it.

maybe theyre putting their UI into stocks and crypto rather than pay bills they dont have to :yeshrug:
 

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Like I said, they can apply for landlord assistance from the government.
You were right about this part. Renters will get assistance to get current on rent.



Help finally on the way for N.J. renters as state announces new $353M relief fund
Updated Mar 18, 2021
A highly anticipated and desperately needed $353 million rental relief fund will open up to New Jersey renters who haven’t been able to make payments over the last year after the coronavirus pandemic upended their lives.

The fund will open for applications on March 22 at 9 a.m. on the Department of Community Affairs website. The program is not first come, first serve, and will remain open until “an adequate number of people have submitted their applications,” said Lt. Gov. Shiela Oliver at the press conference in Union City Tuesday afternoon.

Applicants can seek 12 months of rental assistance, paying for rent arrears incurred since March 13, 2020, and potentially for future rent payments, the department said in a statement. Eligible residents must be 18 or older, qualify for unemployment or seen a loss in income relating to the coronavirus pandemic, show a risk of housing instability, and have a household income below 80% of the median area income.
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Federal rent relief won’t be enough to protect all tenants or erase landlord losses, advocates say
April 2, 2021
Housing campaigners still predict surging evictions when Murphy’s moratorium ends, even after more help from Washington
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Millions of federal dollars are pouring into New Jersey to help pay for a mountain of rent arrears that have accrued during more than a year of pandemic, but landlords say it won’t be enough to make them whole. And housing advocates predict the money will not stop a wave of evictions whenever Gov. Phil Murphy lifts his ban on ejection for nonpayment of rent.

The New Jersey Apartment Association, which represents mostly large landlords, estimates that its members and other landlords across the state have lost around $2 billion in rent since COVID-19 began to devastate the economy. What’s more, it predicts that several rounds of federal assistance will pay for only about half of the total.

The association hopes the state will step in to help whittle down the remaining deficit, which landlords have had to live with since an executive order last March stopped them evicting delinquent tenants until two months after the governor declares the end of the public health emergency.

Illegal evictions already ongoing
Despite the ban, some tenants are already being illegally evicted, housing advocates say, and they repeated earlier predictions of thousands more when the moratorium ends and landlords are once again free to evict those who can’t or won’t pay. The campaigners are also afraid landlords will attempt to offset a year of losses by charging higher rent to new occupants.

“Even if the state government does everything right and distributes all the federal money quickly, there will still be a billion dollars in rent that landlords are unable to collect,” said Staci Berger, president of the Housing and Community Development Network of New Jersey, a nonprofit that advocates for affordable housing. “They will evict people as soon as possible so they can try to collect that money by raising rents and moving other people in. And in a very tight real estate market, they will be able to do that.”

Landlords made about 62,000 eviction filings with the state court system between March 2020 and the end of February this year, according to court data. While the moratorium prevents courts issuing eviction orders for now, it doesn’t stop the filings, which are likely to swell by “tens or hundreds of thousands more” when the ban is lifted, Berger predicted.

In the first two phases of the COVID-19 emergency rental assistance program, the federal government has provided $444.7 million in emergency rental assistance to New Jersey, according to the Department of Community Affairs, which is allocating the money. The first phase paid $91 million in rental assistance to about 15,000 families. Another $235 million in federal funds was paid directly to counties, as well as to two cities — Jersey City and Newark.

David Brogan, executive director of the New Jersey Apartment Association, said he’s expecting about another $400 million in rental assistance from the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan that became effective in March.

Billion-dollar drop in the bucket
But even if federal rental assistance eventually comes to $1 billion, that wouldn’t come close to erasing the losses that New Jersey landlords have suffered over the past year, Brogan said.

“The small landlords are still holding on by a thread, while the large landlords are seeing greater and greater losses,” he said. “It was fantastic that the federal government finally woke up and saw that this was necessary, but I think there are going to be some write-offs.”

He said landlords have seen reductions in rental income of up to 30% during the pandemic, and that some tenants have taken advantage of the evictions ban by withholding rent even though they can afford to pay.

Brogan called for an increase in the income limit for receiving the federal money from the current 80% of area median income to 120%, and for the state to provide some of its own money in addition to the federal funds.

“There are a lot of people out there who have lost jobs and are starting to get back on their feet, but they still have rent arrearages,” he said. “They do need help.”

The federal money is paid via the state to landlords after tenants have shown that they qualify for unemployment benefit, have experienced financial hardship because of COVID-19, are at risk of becoming homeless or have a household income no greater than 80% of area median income.

Playing lottery for rent relief
But even qualified households will only receive rental relief if they are selected in a Department of Community Affairs lottery that’s designed to allocate scarce funds. “Lottery draws will take place until all funds have been expended,” said Tammori Petty, a spokeswoman for the DCA.

Berger said the lottery system shows that “there will not be enough money for everyone.” She predicted that some landlords will have to settle for less than the whole amount they are owed, but argued that tenants are in even worse shape.

“Mr. Brogan has somehow framed this as his corporate landlords being the victims here,” she said. “The real victims are the people who are struggling to keep a roof over their heads.”

Berger urged state lawmakers to support the so-called People’s Bill (A-4034/S-2340), which would give pandemic-hit tenants as much as 2 1/2 years to repay rent arrears and prevent them from being evicted after the moratorium ends. The bill, which has been stalled in the Senate since passing the Assembly in July last year, is fiercely opposed by the Apartment Association, which says landlords should not be expected to carry tenants’ debt for an extended period. It predicts that the measure would lead to a hike in residential property taxes because state revenue from apartment buildings will drop if their operating income declines in response to the bill’s provisions on arrears.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Gurbir Grewal this week directed law enforcement to crack down on illegal evictions by investigating reports that people are being turned out of their homes, issuing warnings to any landlords who are flouting Murphy’s eviction ban and helping evicted residents back into their homes. Grewal also authorized officers to issue complaints against any landlord who ignores warnings.

“The actions of landlords who have locked out tenants or cut their utilities during this global health emergency are not just illegal, they’re inhumane,” said Grewal, in response to complaints from tenants and advocacy groups.

“Some landlords have taken matters into their own hands,” he said during an online townhall meeting. “They know that there is no legal avenue for eviction right now, and so in the most egregious of examples, some unscrupulous landlords have changed locks on tenants or shut off utilities. All this has left some residents unable to access their property or belongings, or worse, rendered many homeless
 

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Fair enough. But that gov't does have a program to cover you if the renters can't (don't) pay. Don't they?
That program is called sue them in eviction court breh :russ: If you can’t pay you got to go :yeshrug:


I had them evicted last month. I was out there with the Sheriffs like :unimpressed: as they vacated the property.
 

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Here's the thing though. As was recently revealed when Biden altered the PPP guidelines, many Black businesses are no employee or under 20 employees.
They are small businesses, but they don't fit the profile of what a typical small business usually means. Black business advocates had to fight to get the administration to alter the guidelines. Many Black owned businesses didn't qualify for the first round.
By the same token, the profile of the wealthy landlord making record profits doesn't apply to many Black rental property owners. Some will not recover from this economic downturn, and will lose their properties.
Then on the 2nd go round they made it were more small businesses could qualify but added more to the criminal background checks of business owners :jbhmm:
 

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Then on the 2nd go round they made it were more small businesses could qualify but added more to the criminal background checks of business owners :jbhmm:
Biden is changing PPP rules. For 2 weeks, only businesses with fewer than 20 employees can claim pandemic relief loans.


Feb 22, 2021


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US President Joe Biden in the White House.
  • Biden is changing PPP rules so that only businesses with fewer than 20 employees can claim loans.
  • The restriction will last two weeks from Wednesday.
  • The president is expected to formally announce the changes on Monday.
  • Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.
President Joe Biden is set to change the main US coronavirus aid program for small businesses on Monday to try to reach smaller, minority-owned businesses and sole proprietors left behind in previous rounds of aid.


Experts have said that demand for the loans is slowing as firms reopen.

When the program was launched in April, its initial $349 billion ran out in two weeks. Congress approved another $320 billion in May, but the program expired in August with about $130 billion in unused funds.

The program was relaunched in January with $284 billion in new funds from a coronavirus aid bill enacted at the end of December. A Biden administration official said that about $150 billion of PPP money was still available.

But administration officials said many minority-owned and very small businesses in low-income areas had not been able to receive aid.

The changes are designed to make it easier for businesses with no employees — sole proprietors, independent contractors, and self-employed people such as house cleaners and personal care providers — that previously could not qualify because of business cost deductions.

The Small Business Administration is set to revise the rules to match the approach used to allow small farmers and ranchers to receive aid.


The officials said the program would also set aside $1 billion for businesses without employees in low- and moderate-income areas, mostly owned by women and people of color.


The Biden administration said it would eliminate exclusions that prohibit a business owner who is delinquent on student loans from participating in the program.

Business owners with non-fraud felony arrests or convictions in the previous year are excluded from the program, but Biden administration officials said they would adopt bipartisan Senate proposals to remove this restriction, unless the applicant is currently incarcerated


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ACTUAL Fact Sheet from The White House

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Increases Lending to Small Businesses in Need, Announces Changes to PPP to Further Promote Equitable Access to Relief | The White House

Felony conviction is a Scarlet Letter in life. True yesterday, will be true tomorrow. Advocates are trying to remove some of the legal barriers, but until then.........actions have consequences. It is what it is.
 

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Your state lift eviction moratorium?
It didn’t apply to me in this case. The moratorium in Pittsburgh is for unpaid rent due to the pandemic or increased medical expenses. I was able to prove that it was not the case with our renters. Their son pays all of their bills. They just saw a opportunity to stop paying because Covid popped off and my parents are old and nice. Once I came up here I deaded all of that.
 

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It didn’t apply to me in this case. The moratorium in Pittsburgh is for unpaid rent due to the pandemic or increased medical expenses. I was able to prove that it was not the case with our renters. Their son pays all of their bills. They just saw a opportunity to stop paying because Covid popped off and my parents are old and nice. Once I came up here I deaded all of that.
Happy to hear that. I forgot that you posted your scenario on the first page.

Since you feel comfortable discussing, how were you able to fast track the process?
Unfortunately, different relatives have had to go through this. I've seen this play out under normal circumstances, and know the length of time between filing paperwork and sheriff's office coming to do the lockout.

You seem to have been able to resolve the problem within a few weeks.
 

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Happy to hear that. I forgot that you posted your scenario on the first page.

Since you feel comfortable discussing, how were you able to fast track the process?
Unfortunately, different relatives have had to go through this. I've seen this play out under normal circumstances, and know the length of time between filing paperwork and sheriff's office coming to do the lockout.

You seem to have been able to resolve the problem within a few weeks.


It wish it was a faster process. I started on this in October of last year when I moved back to Pittsburgh. It did not get resolved and they did not get evicted until last month.

I hired a eviction lawyer as soon as my parents told me the deal. Got him in contact with my father and got the ball started. Sadly my dad is slipping mentally. He just plain forgot to submit stuff the lawyer needed. And to be fair the lawyer never followed up either. So we had a situation where the renters had a lawyer and they attempted to counter sue and our lawyer was not doing anything.

so I fired our lawyer hired another and took over for my dad getting the paperwork ready. This new lawyer is Johnny on the fukking spot. Plus I paid him 4 grand.

For us the main thing was proving the renters where not experiencing hardship due to Covid. Which was easy to do. Their son is in the NFL and he paid their rent and all bills. Our lawyer dug out that he takes care of everything for them.

I also found emails they were sending my dad basically saying they are not paying anymore and if he keeps asking for money they will just have their son buy the house and he better take the lowball offer.


So once I found that I :lolbron:


At the end of the day they won tho. When I found out they had already not paid for 5 months. They were in there for 6 more months after that until the eviction. That’s 11 months rent free.

Already started the renovation process in there. Updating the kitchen and bathrooms. Need to get the roof looked at.
 

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It wish it was a faster process. I started on this in October of last year when I moved back to Pittsburgh. It did not get resolved and they did not get evicted until last month.

I hired a eviction lawyer as soon as my parents told me the deal. Got him in contact with my father and got the ball started. Sadly my dad is slipping mentally. He just plain forgot to submit stuff the lawyer needed. And to be fair the lawyer never followed up either. So we had a situation where the renters had a lawyer and they attempted to counter sue and our lawyer was not doing anything.

so I fired our lawyer hired another and took over for my dad getting the paperwork ready. This new lawyer is Johnny on the fukking spot. Plus I paid him 4 grand.

For us the main thing was proving the renters where not experiencing hardship due to Covid. Which was easy to do. Their son is in the NFL and he paid their rent and all bills. Our lawyer dug out that he takes care of everything for them.

I also found emails they were sending my dad basically saying they are not paying anymore and if he keeps asking for money they will just have their son buy the house and he better take the lowball offer.


So once I found that I :lolbron:


At the end of the day they won tho. When I found out they had already not paid for 5 months. They were in there for 6 more months after that until the eviction. That’s 11 months rent free.

Already started the renovation process in there. Updating the kitchen and bathrooms. Need to get the roof looked at.

*does mental math to figure out which pittsburgh native thats in teh nfl is playing dirty* dont tell me it was someone that went to gateway or pennhill i know you out from that way @General Mills
 

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*does mental math to figure out which pittsburgh native thats in teh nfl is playing dirty* dont tell me it was someone that went to gateway or pennhill i know you out from that way @General Mills
Chillll breh :whoa:

At the end of the day the shyt is resolved. Thank goodness. No need to air breh out :russ:
 

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It wish it was a faster process. I started on this in October of last year when I moved back to Pittsburgh. It did not get resolved and they did not get evicted until last month.
Thanks. You and your family ultimately won by getting lowlife people out of the property.
Happy that you were there to take charge and see the matter resolved.

Those buffoons are too old to be doing shyt like that.
 
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