Your saying this like Grant Hill didn't have all time great talent before he got hurt.
Pippen just said he could average 40 in this era
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IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Scottie would be sorta like Kawhi in this era. He "could" put up 40/night but that's not his game because he wants to dominate both ends of the court. Probably 27/7/5
He averaged that when they shortened the 3 point line and league-wide 3pt% jumped up.
You think he's shooting at 34% while attempting 3x more shots and receiving the same defensive attention and coverage Harden gets every game?
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I don't know but Pippen but what I do know is I don't care for Harden's accomplishments.
Sorry
Get to the finals nikka
Sorry
Get to the finals nikka
Don't kill me.
nikka posting 3 point stats from when the League shortened the 3 point line because nikkas couldn't shoot.
Like 12 of those 14 3s are heavily fukking contested. Pippen was making shots like that back in the day?
THEY SHORTENED THE LINE IN 94-95...
HE POSTED PIPS STATS FROM 93-94
They dont wanna hear facts
The irony of two of the worst fact posters on The Coli trying to correct someone on the facts....not surprise they were lying.
Pippen shot 17%, 27%, 25%, 30%, 20%, 24%, and 32% from three his first 7 years before they shortened the line.
Pippen shot 35%, 37%, 37% the three years they shortened the line because the Expansion Era had watered down the league so much shooting sucked ass.
Fell back to 32%, 34%, 32%, 30%, 29%, 27% his final 6 years after they moved the line back.
Outside of those brief short-line years, Pippen was a below-average 3pt shooter, and that was mostly on his best 3-4 open looks a game. Those of y'all talking about him suddenly putting up 10-15 threes and making them at a good clip are full of shyt. That wasn't his game.
Pippen's first two seasons were at the same pace as the last two seasons, and his 3rd-6th seasons were at the same pace as 2018. His big MVP-candidate season, 1994, was played at a 95.1 pace...which was never hit again until 2016.
The idea that the current era is a remarkably faster pace that the 80s and 90s is bullshyt. It's only about 5-6% faster than the slow period from 1995-2015, most similar to the '87-'90 period and SLOWER than everything before that.
The most watered-down state in league history was 1989-1995, when they added 6 expansion teams in just 6 years. The NBA had never added so many teams so fast....in fact they've only added 1 team in the 25 years since. LeBron's entire era has been without an expansion team, which is the longest the NBA has ever gone without expanding.
THAT 1989-1998 era was the watered-down era, by definition. The had to move the 3pt line in because offense had gotten so ugly and no one could shoot.
"Literally no defensive pressure"? We just making things up now? Are you claiming that no one pressures Harden, Luka, LeBron, etc. outside the three-point line?he averaged 22 when defense was actually played and there was no hand check rules
But hell average only 3 points more even tho he could shoot 6-10 more 3's a game with literally no defensive pressure being played on him in todays climate
The early 1990s and before is when there really was very little defensive pressure on threes. Larry said it himself that guys just didn't even bother guarding out to the three-point line until the last five minutes of the game. It wasn't considered important back them.
Look at MJ's "shrug" game where he hit 6 threes. The greatest scorer in NBA history, in a Finals game, playing a team with plenty of length and athleticism on the perimeter.....and even after the first 4 threes he's still more open than LeBron with a Pop cushion.
Show me all the "defensive pressure" in that clip. They show 9 shots and except for maybe an out-of-position Cliff Robinson on the final shot no one jumped to contest ANY of them or was even in his grill. In 3 of those shots there ain't a defender within 15 feet, it's like they lost track of where Michael fukking Jordan was on the court. If that shyt happened last night y'all would be saying, "PROOF THEY PLAY NO DEFENSE IN THIS ERA!!!"....and it happened in a 1990s FINALS game.
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The image that some of y'all have conjured up of eras of the past has absolutely no life in reality. It's funny how folks lie to themselves just to keep their childhood memories alive.
I always wanted to know whether Jordan hit the shrug because he was like "okay, these nikkas really just aren't gonna guard me?" or because he just felt like they couldn't stop him.
They way these old nikkaz talk and TheColi adjusted numbers...you have to add 15-20ppg to their averages...so MJ giving you an easy 50, PIP an easy 40..so the scores would routinely be 180-175 final scores...and they still would be putting dudes on their ass when they came to the paint...
Yo... we out here adjusting nyggas stats for inflation like we talkin box office numbers
Pippen averaged 22 in 94 (would've been around 13ppg in the 60s) so dat means dat nygga would average 29 in today's NBA
Wilt averaged 50 or some shyt in the 60s so by adding improved shoes and headbands, multiplied by the softness of today's players, divided by the number of IG thots in his DMs (much more formidable than what he was facing in the 60s), + contract incentives, - the impact of big men, adjusted for my personal biases...
Ehh... i think dat nygga would average about 65 today
Kevin Martin would have averaged 40 in this league with those attempts
@Rhakim how's that for data u autistic fakkit
As typical, gets caught lying so he resorts to his fantasy world again.@Rhakim how's that for data u autistic fakkit
Dumbass seriously tried to argue that
Pippen could shoot threes like Harden and had to lie about Pippen's numbers to do it.
You hate to see it.
Closing out and contesting jumpshots, on the regular, is only a recent phenomenon.
All throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, apart from post-ups (which only came into focus in the 90s), cats weren't contesting jumpshots like that, as there really was no defensive predecession to do it - contesting of shots was seen as action around the rim, and even then, there wasn't a whole lot of defensive framework that you have now.
It's why it's hilarious how nikkas say this is the no defense era - this era has the advantage of learning off all the mistakes and ways to defend smarter and better from what's come before them - none of this standing around watching players take jumpshots. It's why instead of a half-hearted hand up or a jog-out when a player comes off a screen or OTD, like you see in previous eras; defenders, today, are riding hips, all over screens, with greater communication and urgency, and positioning themselves to not only properly contest, but actually looking to block jumpshots.
Bob Weiss actually spoke about this a couple years ago, on how there's far greater demand on players to defend now than when he played (60s/70s) and first coached (80s/90s). All this information where teams are looking to gain an edge wherever they can.
It's why tradition has been thrown into the bushes, and teams are more results-orientated.
Players weren't doing this shyt back in the day:
the real question is how old are ANY of
you to make a fair assessment? we talking 93-94 some of yall in this thread was 4. Cuz if you wasnt at least 13-14 years old shut the fukk up cuz you saw it on youtube. Some people actually saw NBA on NBC when real nikkas was playing
you to make a fair assessment? we talking 93-94 some of yall in this thread was 4. Cuz if you wasnt at least 13-14 years old shut the fukk up cuz you saw it on youtube. Some people actually saw NBA on NBC when real nikkas was playing
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I don't about 40. 25 maybe 30 tops.