Physicalists get in there...

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

things on a quantum scale are a matter separate from the level human life takes place on

trying to draw a line from how infinitesimally small particles behave to how life as we know it is doesn't work

on the quantum scale folks are largely still in the dark so you ar filling in the gaps & making conclusions like sci-fi

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Stating that science only has access to the physical aspect of 'reality', therefore, only the physical is 'real', is also drawing conclusions that QM makes false. The only way to make headway into the field is by thinking outside the box of the Copenhagen Interpretation.​

 

[010101]

What struck me so far in the book is how Einstein was pivotal in almost all advancements made on the subject. Every time they talked about a contributor they mentioned Einstein and how he was one of the first to peep the implications of what they advanced. The implications are actually spooky

I didn't finish the book yet, I'm halfway through, so where I'm at the quantum mystery is only talked about how in the sense of consciousness affecting how physical matter will appear though, not creating it I would say stuff still pre-exist as a potential but its properties are not strictly defined yet... The observer, through his observation, is setting up these properties

I was for real mind blown reading it. I know it's a mystery, not a rule and that the implications are hypothesis but still



Oh yeah, this is one of the first things they talk about. Got me like at first then

Actually applying quantum theory to bigger stuff seems to work and only be a matter of means. They say in the book that they are experimenting with always bigger objects and it never fails. Plus the fact that from quantum theory you can deduce all Newtonian theory which undoubtedly works with large to extremely massive stellar objects.

I agree with your last paragraph though: the quantum mystery is about implications that troubles us but we're not sure if they are true or not or if there is an explanation out there that would fit our pre-quantum vision. But whatever that explanation is it would change the way we see the world and consciousness.

so i'll wait for them to figure it out

theories & their implications are cool

but folks often use them like there facts in discussion & i rather hold my horses

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Stating that science only has access to the physical aspect of 'reality', therefore, only the physical is 'real', is also drawing conclusions that QM makes false. The only way to make headway into the field is by thinking outside the box of the Copenhagen Interpretation.​

imagination has it's place in illuminating the aspects of reality we don't 100% have knowledge of yet

but it's still only an educated guess

but folks will take those educated guesses & flex behind them like established facts & i am just saying i don't know as of yet the definitive proof hasn't come through on much of anything concerning quantum reality & what it means for day to day life as of yet

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[MischievousMonkey]

Spontaneous symmetry breaking - Wikipedia

Oooh shyt!!

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Physicalists believe that everything is physical. That there's only one realm in existence, the realm of physical things. So people who speaks of things that are out of the physical world are just not knowledgeable enough to understand the physicality of what they describe. For example we don't know if ghosts exist or if paranormal activities are a thing, but if they were, physicalists would say that there is a material, physical explanation for this that science just isn't aware of yet.

My claim is that clearly the physical world is bound to strict rules that are located outside of it. Plato style. The reaction between carbon, O2 and fire creating CO2 is a rule that never changes and presumably never changed. That rule is not physical. It's not written anywhere, we can't change it, we can't toy with, we can't delete it. We cannot create new rules. They are preset. We just discover some.

So I'm asking what they think about that and how can they think that everything is physical given these elements.

Starting to look into spontaneous breaks of symmetry and I'm now questioning this...

Not sure I understand clearly what it means, but if it really means that universal laws could have been other, then it's going to be groundbreaking (and freeing) for me

 

[MischievousMonkey]

I say this for several reasons.

What makes me say that is that these rules exist independently from the material world but still manage it. Why?

They structure the physical world and describe all its potentialities. Potentialities aren't physical things. If it hasn't happened yet in the physical world, the rules establishing it could happen already exist. For example, before Edison or Tesla discovered electricity, the properties of electricity and how it could work already existed, as a potential. Brehs just didn't know about it.

Another reason is that the rules structure the physical world but are not submitted to that same structure. The physical world is subject to the rules of space and time, but not rules. Rules are like the code of a videogame. You cannot interact with the rules of a perfectly coded videogame from the videogame itself. They are outside of the game world.

I doubt you can be a spiritualist in the same sense that one is a physicalist.

This kind of stuff too... It appears that space and time might just be physical objects Not proven yet but that's a possibility I'm trying to look into.