Photos of Kids Playfully Crossing the US-Mexico Border

[ADevilYouKhow]

Bigotry?

Fam, I want a secure border with another nation. Is that so hard to ask?

It's not that simple or do you think it is?

 

[theworldismine13]

Look dikkhead, if there are no black people, then there are no black people to be racist towards. Are you stupid? The black population of Mexico is less than 1%. The number is so small cause most slaves intermarried with the indigenous people.

thats just dumb and ignorant, mexico is probably one of the most racist countries in this hemisphere

its not just me saying it

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

on top of that as me and any black person in california can testify, anti black sentiments in the mexican community is widespread

No. Really? a history of slavery, oppression and genocide in the Americas? really? You don't say.

yes really, and as i mentioned before the first slaves from africa went to latin america, the oppression of blacks in latin american preceded that of the oppression of blacks in north america

I stand corrected. But the ethnic make up is still the same. Very small numbers of black people.

the number of blacks doesnt mean there isnt white supremacy in those countries, and in a lot of those countries the lack of people identifying as black is itself an after effect of white supremacy and the oppression and genocide of blacks

Why are you lumping all of Latin America in to one group as if each group doesn't have distinct histories, cultures and demographics. Columbia or DR is a very different country from Mexico.

i already explained why, because they all have white supremacist cultures

I'm far from ignorant about my history. I'm actually objective, unlike people like you who are blinded by hatred and misplaced anger.

you are very ignorant about the history of africans in the americas, that much is obvious, your posts are embarrassing, its more important to you to form some corny progressive, liberal black brown coalition to have a horde of people to flood the labor markets than to acknowledge and respect the millions of africans that were enslaved, raped and murdered in the americas

you dont seem to get that a lot of the enslavement, raping and murder of blacks occurred on what is now mexico and Guatemala

its very important to study and acknowledge the black genocide in latin america and acknowledge the continuing oppressions of blacks at minimum to show our respect to our fellow black people that are not here

you are an embarrassment to the black race, you are hiding your c00ning and ignorance behind your liberalism

Don't lie to yourself. You have a real deep seated hatred for Mexicans. If it was a battle between two groups of so-called racist people as you say, then you wouldn't spend so much time spamming these boards with anti-immigration threads.


Hate Mexicans cause they MIGHT be racist, but suck off actual racist white politician brehs.

first of all. i dont hate mexicans, but lets say i hate mexicans, so what? i dont owe anything to anybody, i reserve the right to hate whoever i want to hate

what white polticians am i supposedly sucking off, im not aware of any white politicians in this country that isnt racist so you have to be specific

i have never claimed to be anti racism, and ive said before black people should avoid moralistic crusades, black people need to be pro black period

 

[Robbie3000]

thats just dumb and ignorant, mexico is probably one of the most racist countries in this hemisphere

its not just me saying it

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

on top of that as me and any black person in california can testify, anti black sentiments in the mexican community is widespread




yes really, and as i mentioned before the first slaves from africa went to latin america, the oppression of blacks in latin american preceded that of the oppression of blacks in north america



the number of blacks doesnt mean there isnt white supremacy in those countries, and in a lot of those countries the lack of people identifying as black is itself an after effect of white supremacy and the oppression and genocide of blacks



i already explained why, because they all have white supremacist cultures




you are very ignorant about the history of africans in the americas, that much is obvious, your posts are embarrassing, its more important to you to form some corny progressive, liberal black brown coalition to have a horde of people to flood the labor markets than to acknowledge and respect the millions of africans that were enslaved, raped and murdered in the americas

you dont seem to get that a lot of the enslavement, raping and murder of blacks occurred on what is now mexico and Guatemala

its very important to study and acknowledge the black genocide in latin america and acknowledge the continuing oppressions of blacks at minimum to show our respect to our fellow black people that are not here

you are an embarrassment to the black race, you are hiding your c00ning and ignorance behind your liberalism



first of all. i dont hate mexicans, but lets say i hate mexicans, so what? i dont owe anything to anybody, i reserve the right to hate whoever i want to hate

what white polticians am i supposedly sucking off, im not aware of any white politicians in this country that isnt racist so you have to be specific

i have never claimed to be anti racism, and ive said before black people should avoid moralistic crusades, black people need to be pro black period

Im not on any bloody crusade. I'm once again clearing up the idiotic and/or racist misinformation that you like to spew on this site without evidence or nuance.

Such as: "Mexico is probably one of the most racist countries in this hemisphere"

But thanks for once again clarifying your true motives in the bolded. There is no need to even respond to you any further. Bigotry and/or xenophobia is irrational in itself.

 

[theworldismine13]

Im not on any bloody crusade. I'm once again clearing up the idiotic and/or racist misinformation that you like to spew on this site without evidence or nuance.

Such as: "Mexico is probably one of the most racist countries in this hemisphere"

But thanks for once again clarifying your true motives in the bolded. There is no need to even respond to you any further. Bigotry and/or xenophobia is irrational in itself.

maybe you didnt read it, so ill post it again, maybe you can learn something

Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Mexico
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

Mexico's President Vicente Fox is having a tough year.

During the much-publicized Minuteman Project in Arizona last March, Fox's arrogant comments and dismissive attitude didn't win him too many fans north of the border. Then in May, while making yet another speech about how America couldn't function without illegal immigrants from Mexico, Fox managed to insult African Americans in the process. He claimed that illegals do the work that "not even black people want to do," implying that African Americans make up the lowest rungs of society.

About a month later came the unveiling of Mexico's latest series of postage stamps, featuring none other than a black character like something out of a minstrel show. Needless to say, Fox found himself on the defensive yet again -- with good reason.

It turns out that racism in Mexico, both against blacks and dark-skinned indigenous Indians, has a long history. Mexico's colonial past has left its mark on modern-day society. Prejudice toward "pureblood" Indians from those who are "mixed-blood" (Spanish and Indian) is rife. Almost uniformly, people who are darker-skinned and of Indian descent make up the peasantry and working classes, while lighter-skinned, Spanish-descent Mexicans are in the ruling elite. Fox himself comes from that background, as his appearance makes evident.

This inequality may explain in part why the majority of immigrants coming into the United States fall into the darker-skinned category. Beyond the failure of the Mexican government to sustain a decent economy, darker-skinned Mexicans have a difficult time getting work because of job discrimination. According to the Web site IndigenousPeople.net, "sixty percent of Indians over 12 years of age are already unemployed, and of those who work, most earn less than the minimum wage of about $2.50 a day." The same story notes that Mexico City's top restaurants don't allow patrons to bring along Indian domestic workers for fear of tarnishing their business image.

'Color Continuum'

Mexico's racial dynamics are perhaps best summed up by Steve Sailer in his article, "Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?" He writes that "[w]hat Mexico does have instead of a color line is a 'color continuum.' There are no sharp racial divides, yet the rule for social prestige remains 'the whiter the better.'"

With this in mind, the popularity of the "Memin Pinguin" postage stamp series in Mexico starts to make sense. In fact, the flat-nosed, thick-lipped, bug-eyed, shucking and jiving Memin Pinguin is one of Mexico's most beloved comic strip characters. He's a children's character from a 1945 comic book that's still published in Mexico today. The cartoonist, Sixto Valencia Burgos, describes Memin as "this funny little kid. And nice. And generous. Oh, and black, too."

Fox's spokesman Rubén Aguilar vehemently denied that the character was racist, even going so far as to make the absurd claim that the series served to "combat racism and promote family values." Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez chimed in with his own defense of the Mexican comic strip and had the gall to accuse critics of showing a "a total lack of respect for our culture."

But Americans were unmoved. The White House issued a statement saying that the stamps had "no place in today's world," and the ubiquitous Jesse Jackson demanded that the stamps be withdrawn from the market. He also vowed to lead a demonstration at Mexican consulates unless Fox apologized. Leaders of the NAACP, the National Council of La Raza and the National Urban League also spoke out against the stereotypical stamps.

Similar to U.S. Caricatures

Far from it being a "cultural misunderstanding," as members of the Mexican government term it, Americans know all too well what Memin Pinguin represents, as such caricatures originated in their own backyard. According to David Pilgrim, curator of the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia at Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Mich., the character is "consistent with what we in the United States would refer to as a pickaninny image."

But such stereotypes have long been banished to the realm of collectibles in this country, and rightfully so. Long before the overreach of political correctness, people worked to rid the nation of some truly ugly elements. This was a product of political struggle on the part of African Americans and others who fought for an integrated society. So naturally most Americans recoiled in disgust when the offending stamp was revealed.

But in Mexico the stamps have been selling out, with lines out the door of local post offices. In fact, the Mexican postal service defended the series vigorously, calling Memin Pinguin a "nice, little motor-mouth who, thanks to his good humor and particular way of seeing the world, wins the hearts" of the other characters. Isn't that special?

Mexicans themselves seem perplexed by all the hoopla. In a society where such terms of endearment as guero (blond) for Caucasians or fair-skinned Mexicans and negro (black), negrito (blackie) or moreno (brown) for darker-skinned Mexicans are standard, the Memin Pinguin stamps are simply par for the course.

So is it reasonable to suggest that the struggles that have been waged by African Americans have not filtered down south of the border? Both countries have a legacy of slavery, but different pathways led to the divergent populations that exist today.

Slave Trade in Mexico

Although the study of slavery tends to focus exclusively on the United States, it was widely practiced in the ancient world and later by various people around the world, including of course Europe. It was the Spanish slave trade that first brought Africans to Mexico, as early as 1520. Although slaves were initially treated more like personal servants and Christianized before their arrival, the Spanish crown soon expanded the practice into a full-blown slave trade. The population of blacks grew to outnumber the Spanish and eventually reached 200,000. With Mexico's independence in 1829, slavery was finally abolished after almost 300 years.

But slavery had taken its toll on the remnants of African culture, and intermarriage with indigenous people, and to a lesser extent with the Spanish, created a population of mixed-bloods, or mulattos. The descendants of these people continued to intermarry, which may be why the contemporary Afro-Mexican population is relatively small.

The two areas where the most blacks in Mexico live are the Costa Chica and the state of Veracruz. Like the indigenous people in the area, Afro-Mexicans are mostly campesinos or peasant farmers. Because the Mexican government does not use "race" in its census data, it's difficult to gauge population, but Afro-Mexicans appear to be short of both political and economic power. Compared to the legion of African American faces among the rich and famous, Afro-Mexicans are relatively invisible in popular culture, except of course for derogatory figures such as Memin Pinguin.

Despite the backdrop of slavery, many Mexicans are in denial about this aspect of their history. Colin A. Palmer, in an article titled "A Legacy of Slavery," recounts one such conversation in which a Mexican student insisted that Africans came to Mexico only as fugitive slaves from North America or Cuba. Yet at one time, Palmer notes, Mexico "probably had more African slaves than any other colony in the Western Hemisphere." And unlike the United States, where people have openly confronted their past, Mexico has yet to come to terms with its history. Maybe this is why gross misrepresentations of blacks such as Memin Pinguin are considered harmless. If racism never existed in Mexico, then how could this caricature be racist?

Factional Attitudes

Then there's the factional attitude of various Latin Americans toward each other -- often partly based on the color continuum. These prejudices have traveled along with their purveyors to the United States and are well known by those who rub shoulders with Latino workers. My stepfather and his brother work in construction, and over the years they have noticed the hostility between Mexicans and the mostly darker-skinned Hondurans. They often refuse to work together and must be segregated by job. Although hardly politically correct, this bigotry is overlooked because it's perpetrated by one brown person against another. The truth is, racism transcends any one group, and when one looks beyond the white-vs.-black paradigm, discrimination is between degrees of brown.

Americans schooled in the ways of racial sensitivity can be shocked to travel abroad and witness the real world. My mother and I were in Hong Kong during the late 1980s and ran across something astounding: a toothpaste called "Darkie" (since changed to "Darlie.") On the front of the tube was a drawing of an Uncle Tom-like character from the Old South. We were so flabbergasted at the offensive find that we had to buy a tube to bring back and show our friends. But it was left in our hotel room, destined to be only a crazy story.

Unfortunately, Memin Pinguin is no crazy story and the proof is staring us all in the face. It's just too bad that it doesn't seem to bother our Mexican neighbors.

 

[Robbie3000]

maybe you didnt read it, so ill post it again, maybe you can learn something

Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Mexico
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

This article doesn't refute anything that I have said or support your assertion that "Mexico is the most racist country in the Americas." I agree in the Americas the social order favors those with the most European ancestry. This is a direct result of conquistadors and slavery.

But does Mexico have a complicated history of whites vs blacks that we have in the US? One that would lead immigrants to the US to have these racist views against black people that you claim in 2015? No.

To argue otherwise in a country that hasn't had to deal with white vs black issues in a very long time is absurd.
You are looking at Mexico through the prism of American race relations. It is inaccurate and intellectually lazy.

The majority of people in Mexico (mestizos and Amerindians ) are victims of white supremacy as well. Your own link supports this. They are the poor coming across the border, not the mostly Spaniard ruling class of Mexico.

 

[theworldismine13]

This article doesn't refute anything that I have said or support your assertion that "Mexico is the most racist country in the Americas." I agree in the Americas the social order favors those with the most European ancestry. This is a direct result of conquistadors and slavery.

But does Mexico have a complicated history of whites vs blacks that we have in the US? One that would lead immigrants to the US to have these racist views against black people that you claim in 2015? No.

To argue otherwise in a country that hasn't had to deal with white vs black issues in a very long time is absurd.
You are looking at Mexico through the prism of American race relations. It is inaccurate and intellectually lazy.

The majority of people in Mexico (mestizos and Amerindians ) are victims of white supremacy as well. Your own link supports this. They are the poor coming across the border, not the mostly Spaniard ruling class of Mexico.

that article supports my assertion that there is widespread anti black sentiments in mexican society, the notion that there are no black people in mexico and therefore there cant be any anti black racism in mexico is so blindingly stupid and ignorant that you should do yourself a favor and stop posting, im actually embarrassed for you that that is your level of analysis

saying its one of the most racist countries in the americas is my opinion, but the treatment of native americans supports it

mestizos fully perpetuate white supremacy, mestizos in no way shape or form fight against white supremacy, white supremacy is as much a part of mexican dna as it is in the us

anti black sentiment in the mexicans that immigrate to the us are well known by any black person that lives in california or the SW, any black person in California knows that mexicans are pretty much just as racist against blacks as white people, ask around if you dont believe me

you are the one that is looking at mexico from the prism of american race relations, specifically you are looking at it from the white liberal prison, where mexicans are poor brown people and victims of american imperialism and you think we need to form a black brown coalition with the good liberal white folks

when in fact racism against black people is rampant across all of latin america

im looking at it from the perspective of the black diaspora and the millions of black people that were enslaved, raped and murdered through north, central and south america and that continue to be oppressed till this day by those same people, from the point of view of the african slave the same people that colonized latin america are the same people that colonized north america

the notion that descendants of spaniards and descendents of Englishmen are different people, is actually a european perspective, to the african slave they are the same people

the notion that black people need to fight for open borders for the racist, white supremacist countries and cultures of latin america is stupid and dumb, just like it would have been stupid for black people to fight for european immgration 100 years ago

fighting for open borders only makes sense through your corny white liberal political views, no black person that is about black empowerment gives a fuk about some dumb black/brown/good white folk coalition

 

[Robbie3000]

that article supports my assertion that there is widespread anti black sentiments in mexican society, the notion that there are no black people in mexico and therefore there cant be any anti black racism in mexico is so blindingly stupid and ignorant that you should do yourself a favor and stop posting, im actually embarrassed for you that that is your level of analysis

It does no such thing. It does not support any assertions of "Widespead anti black sentiments in Mexican Socieity". This only exists in your deluded head.

saying its one of the most racist countries in the americas is my opinion, but the treatment of native americans supports it

Show evidence of how it is the most racist country in the America in contrast to places like the U.S and Argentina.

mestizos fully perpetuate white supremacy, mestizos in no way shape or form fight against white supremacy, white supremacy is as much a part of mexican dna as it is in the us

More nonsense without a shred of evidence.

anti black sentiment in the mexicans that immigrate to the us are well known by any black person that lives in california or the SW, any black person in California knows that mexicans are pretty much just as racist against blacks as white people, ask around if you dont believe me

So you have talked to every black person in California and the Southwest? Ok.

you are the one that is looking at mexico from the prism of american race relations, specifically you are looking at it from the white liberal prison, where mexicans are poor brown people and victims of american imperialism and you think we need to form a black brown coalition with the good liberal white folks.

More nonsense about white liberal good white folk that you bring up in every other post.

when in fact racism against black people is rampant across all of latin america

We are specifically talking about immigrants to the U.S from the southern border. Mexico and Central America.

im looking at it from the perspective of the black diaspora and the millions of black people that were enslaved, raped and murdered through north, central and south america and that continue to be oppressed till this day by those same people, from the point of view of the african slave the same people that colonized latin america are the same people that colonized north america

the notion that descendants of spaniards and descendents of Englishmen are different people, is actually a european perspective, to the african slave they are the same people

the notion that black people need to fight for open borders for the racist, white supremacist countries and cultures of latin america is stupid and dumb, just like it would have been stupid for black people to fight for european immgration 100 years ago

fighting for open borders only makes sense through your corny white liberal political views, no black person that is about black empowerment gives a fuk about some dumb black/brown/good white folk coalition

No one is asking black people to fight for open borders. I'm dispelling the bullshyt that you like to spew in these forums.

You make baseless assertions and don't even attempt to provide any real evidence for such assertions. I'm done with this argument until you can back up one of your main claims that Mexico is the most racist country in the Americas and that Mexicans coming to America have an inherent anti-black belief.

Otherwise, it's a waste of my time to keep responding to baseless assertions and demagoguery.

 

[theworldismine13]

It does no such thing. It does not support any assertions of "Widespead anti black sentiments in Mexican Socieity". This only exists in your deluded head.

lol, did you even read the article?

it says it very clearly

It turns out that racism in Mexico, both against blacks and dark-skinned indigenous Indians, has a long history.

are you retarded?

Show evidence of how it is the most racist country in the America in contrast to places like the U.S and Argentina.

the oppression of the native americans makes it one of the most racist countries in the hemisphere, it is just as racist as the us and argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiapas_conflict

More nonsense without a shred of evidence.

show me a mestizo speaking out against white supremacy

http://google.com

ill wait

So you have talked to every black person in California and the Southwest? Ok.

i live in California dumb fuk, im 20 minutes away from the border

and again ask any black person in california if im lying

More nonsense about white liberal good white folk that you bring up in every other post.

and you cant respond to it because its the truth, you have been trying to paint mexico and Guatemala as victims of white supremacy and downplaying 500 years of rape and genocide and oppression of black people

We are specifically talking about immigrants to the U.S from the southern border. Mexico and Central America.

yeah that is who i am referring to

No one is asking black people to fight for open borders. I'm dispelling the bullshyt that you like to spew in these forums.

yes you are, you are saying that all illegal immigrants should get green cards and that black people should go fight for this

You make baseless assertions and don't even attempt to provide any real evidence for such assertions. I'm done with this argument until you can back up one of your main claims that Mexico is the most racist country in the Americas and that Mexicans coming to America have an inherent anti-black belief.

i have already backed up my assertions, i posted the article, what part of the article is it that you are disputing?

 

[theworldismine13]

when you are black and it needs to be explained to you that a country that prints a stamp like this is racist, you have issues

maybe you need to go outside, take a deep breath and think about life

 

[Robbie3000]

lol, did you even read the article?

it says it very clearly



are you retarded?





the oppression of the native americans makes it one of the most racist countries in the hemisphere, it is just as racist as the us and argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiapas_conflict



show me a mestizo speaking out against white supremacy

http://google.com

ill wait


i live in California dumb fuk, im 20 minutes away from the border

and again ask any black person in california if im lying



and you cant respond to it because its the truth, you have been trying to paint mexico and Guatemala as victims of white supremacy and downplaying 500 years of rape and genocide and oppression of black people



yeah that is who i am referring to



yes you are, you are saying that all illegal immigrants should get green cards and that black people should go fight for this



i have already backed up my assertions, i posted the article, what part of the article is it that you are disputing?

You keep referring to an article about stamps that most people in Mexico wouldn't even understand the context as if it's some scholarly work on race in Mexico. This is what makes you a pathetic person. Show some real evidence of your assertions, besides silly articles written by neo-cons.

Jesus Christ!

The author of the article you keep parading around, which really doesn't offer any evidence of your claims is written by this chick:

Cinnamon Stillwell, a self described 9/11 Republican.

So I became what's now commonly known as a "9/11 Republican." Living in a time of war, disenchanted with the left and disappointed with the obstructionism and lack of vision of the Democratic Party, I threw in my hat with the only party that seemed to be offering solutions, rather than simply tearing away at our country. I went from voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 to proudly casting my ballot for George W. Bush in 2004. This doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with Bush on every issue, but there is enough common ground to support his party overall. In the wake of this political transformation, I discovered that I was not alone. It turned out that there are other 9/11 Republicans out there, both in the Bay Area and beyond, and they have been coming out of the woodwork.

Get the fukk out of here with this bullshyt or either post some scholarly works. You might as well post Fox News or Drudge Report articles to support your claims.

 

[theworldismine13]

You keep referring to an article about stamps that most people in Mexico wouldn't even understand the context as if it's some scholarly work on race in Mexico. This is what makes you a pathetic person. Show some real evidence of your assertions, besides silly articles written by neo-cons.

Jesus Christ!

The author of the article you keep parading around, which really doesn't offer any evidence of your claims is written by this chick:

Cinnamon Stillwell, a self described 9/11 Republican.



Get the fukk out of here with this bullshyt o

its just a stamp



your level c00nery is mind boggling, are you so desperate for open borders and for a brown black coalition that you would try to defend a clearly racist stamp issued in 2005

of course they dont understand that context of the stamp, that is what makes mexico a racist country dumb ass

since you cant dispute anything in the article i guess you have to settle for an ad hominem, lol, pathetic

ive already posted other articles, they all say the same thing, that latin america is racist



A Region in Denial: Racial Discrimination and Racism in Latin America
https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/adjudicating/papers/Deniallastversion.pdf

Beyond the soccer fields, racism is the enemy of millions of Latin Americans
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2014/05/02/racismo-enemigo-millones-brasil-america-latina

Here are some more

MEXICO'S HIDDEN BLACKS
http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/places/alexis-okeowo/black-mexicans

black brown Unity
Twitter Explodes With Racist Comments Aimed At Mayweather After His Victory Over Pacquiao

 

[theworldismine13]

Mexico’s Race Problem
And the real story behind Fox’s faux pas

http://bostonreview.net/claudio-lomnitz-mexico-race-problem

 

[theworldismine13]

The World; Racism? Mexico's in Denial.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/11/weekinreview/the-world-racism-mexico-s-in-denial.html

 

[theworldismine13]

let me know when you are done researching the background of these authors and want to mount another ad hominem attack and avoid discussing the substance of the articles and you want to continue exposing yourself as a liberal c00n

 

[theworldismine13]

breh stop posting more gibberish in this thread, im honestly embarrassed for you, dont put liberal politics ahead of your race, you are way off code