Photos of Kids Playfully Crossing the US-Mexico Border

[CHL]

Lot of bigotry in such a short thread. Very disheartening.

Agreed 88

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Agreed 88

Agreed 88

 

[theworldismine13]

The vast majority of illegals come from Mexico and Guatemala. The black population in these countries is neglible. It's less than 1% in most cases.

Tell us again why they would have an ingrained hatred of people that they probably have never even seen or interacted with before coming to the U.S.?

Like I said most immigrants just want to work and make money. They don't have a racial or nationalistic agenda.

This is just more paranoia from fascists like yourself and your right wing racists ilk.

The racism of Latin America is thoroughly and well documented

European immigrants also come here to work and don't have any ingrained hatred of black people and have zero Black population

What's your point? That isn't a counterpoint to the statement that Europe is racist white supremacist culture

The black population of central and South American countries varies, all the way from the girufina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people to places like Columbia, Brazil, Cuba and dr that have higher percentage of black populations than the U.S.

And the 500 years of slavery, genocide and oppression have been thoroughly documented

And the racism of immigrant populations of Latinos, Asians Against black people has also been documented

Just because somebody comes here to work doesn't mean they leave their culture behind, and just because somebody doesn't have "deep seated" hatred toward blacks doesn't mean they culture isn't racist, some of the nicest people I've met in my life have been white, does that mean white people aren't racist?

When black Americans go overseas we get treated well, because you are american, that doesn't mean the soceity isn't racist

Latin America has 500 years of slavery and oppression of blacks, in fact the first black slaves of the new world were in Latin America, Latin America hasnt shed its racist past anymore than the U.S.

You are just an ignorant person that doesn't know anything about black history

 

[theworldismine13]

Lot of bigotry in such a short thread. Very disheartening.

What bigotry
FYI there is a long history starting from the late 1800 of immigrants coming here and shytting on blacks

What's disgusting is people asking black peoples to put other people's interests ahead of our own interest, and do it for people that have a history of racism against black people

 

[Robbie3000]

The racism of Latin America is thoroughly and well documented

European immigrants also come here to work and don't have any ingrained hatred of black people and have zero Black population

What's your point? That isn't a counterpoint to the statement that Europe is racist white supremacist culture

The black population of central and South American countries varies, all the way from the girufina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people to places like Columbia, Brazil, Cuba and dr that have higher percentage of black populations than the U.S.

And the 500 years of slavery, genocide and oppression have been thoroughly documented

And the racism of immigrant populations of Latinos, Asians Against black people has also been documented

Just because somebody comes here to work doesn't mean they leave their culture behind, and just because somebody doesn't have "deep seated" hatred toward blacks doesn't mean they culture isn't racist, some of the nicest people I've met in my life have been white, does that mean white people aren't racist?

When black Americans go overseas we get treated well, because you are american, that doesn't mean the soceity isn't racist

Latin America has 500 years of slavery and oppression of blacks, in fact the first black slaves of the new world were in Latin America, Latin America hasnt shed its racist past anymore than the U.S.

You are just an ignorant person that doesn't know anything about black history

You said: The bottom line is that mexico is 100 percent white supremacist culture, I'm not even really sure what this means in the context of Mexico or Central America. And while it might be might be true that people with higher Spaniard linage do better than mestizos or natives, there isn't this anti-black sentiment in Mexico, Guatemala etc. Because there simply aren't any black people in those countries.

Your paranoia is not even based on any statistical evidence. It is pure irrational bigotry and racism. You'll fit in well with the Kland Paul crowd.

 

[theworldismine13]

You said: The bottom line is that mexico is 100 percent white supremacist culture, I'm not even really sure what this means in the context of Mexico or Central America. And while it might be might be true that people with higher Spaniard linage do better than mestizos or natives, there isn't this anti-black sentiment in Mexico, Guatemala etc. Because there simply aren't any black people in those countries.

Your paranoia is not even based on any statistical evidence. It is pure irrational bigotry and racism. You'll fit in well with the Kland Paul crowd.

you are just a very ignorant person and you dont know anything about black history

and also im not understanding why you keep up bring up Guatemala , what exactly is the significance of Guatemala in this discussion as opposed to say honduras or nicaragua lol

my statement goes beyond just Mexico and Guatemala, latin america as a whole is 100 percent white supremacist, what that means as far as black people its that these are cultures where black people are at the bottom and when immigrants come from those countries they bring their culture with them

and latino immigrants are showing every sign of trying to use black people as a stepping stone the same way european immigrants in the early 20th century did

the reality is that the latinos dont have a leg to stand on for denouncing white american racism because they themselves come from racist countries, from mexico to DR to columbia to brazil racism against blacks is rampant throughout latin america

black americans do not need to give 2 fuks in the battle between the descendents of spaniards and the descendants of englishmen, they are both the by products of cultures that enslaved and committed genocide against blacks and the oppression and racism continues to this day, anybody that doesnt understand this is ignorant about the history of africans in the new world

 

[theworldismine13]

Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Mexico
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

Mexico's President Vicente Fox is having a tough year.

During the much-publicized Minuteman Project in Arizona last March, Fox's arrogant comments and dismissive attitude didn't win him too many fans north of the border. Then in May, while making yet another speech about how America couldn't function without illegal immigrants from Mexico, Fox managed to insult African Americans in the process. He claimed that illegals do the work that "not even black people want to do," implying that African Americans make up the lowest rungs of society.

About a month later came the unveiling of Mexico's latest series of postage stamps, featuring none other than a black character like something out of a minstrel show. Needless to say, Fox found himself on the defensive yet again -- with good reason.

It turns out that racism in Mexico, both against blacks and dark-skinned indigenous Indians, has a long history. Mexico's colonial past has left its mark on modern-day society. Prejudice toward "pureblood" Indians from those who are "mixed-blood" (Spanish and Indian) is rife. Almost uniformly, people who are darker-skinned and of Indian descent make up the peasantry and working classes, while lighter-skinned, Spanish-descent Mexicans are in the ruling elite. Fox himself comes from that background, as his appearance makes evident.

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This inequality may explain in part why the majority of immigrants coming into the United States fall into the darker-skinned category. Beyond the failure of the Mexican government to sustain a decent economy, darker-skinned Mexicans have a difficult time getting work because of job discrimination. According to the Web site IndigenousPeople.net, "sixty percent of Indians over 12 years of age are already unemployed, and of those who work, most earn less than the minimum wage of about $2.50 a day." The same story notes that Mexico City's top restaurants don't allow patrons to bring along Indian domestic workers for fear of tarnishing their business image.

'Color Continuum'

Mexico's racial dynamics are perhaps best summed up by Steve Sailer in his article, "Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?" He writes that "[w]hat Mexico does have instead of a color line is a 'color continuum.' There are no sharp racial divides, yet the rule for social prestige remains 'the whiter the better.'"

With this in mind, the popularity of the "Memin Pinguin" postage stamp series in Mexico starts to make sense. In fact, the flat-nosed, thick-lipped, bug-eyed, shucking and jiving Memin Pinguin is one of Mexico's most beloved comic strip characters. He's a children's character from a 1945 comic book that's still published in Mexico today. The cartoonist, Sixto Valencia Burgos, describes Memin as "this funny little kid. And nice. And generous. Oh, and black, too."

Fox's spokesman Rubén Aguilar vehemently denied that the character was racist, even going so far as to make the absurd claim that the series served to "combat racism and promote family values." Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez chimed in with his own defense of the Mexican comic strip and had the gall to accuse critics of showing a "a total lack of respect for our culture."

But Americans were unmoved. The White House issued a statement saying that the stamps had "no place in today's world," and the ubiquitous Jesse Jackson demanded that the stamps be withdrawn from the market. He also vowed to lead a demonstration at Mexican consulates unless Fox apologized. Leaders of the NAACP, the National Council of La Raza and the National Urban League also spoke out against the stereotypical stamps.

Similar to U.S. Caricatures

Far from it being a "cultural misunderstanding," as members of the Mexican government term it, Americans know all too well what Memin Pinguin represents, as such caricatures originated in their own backyard. According to David Pilgrim, curator of the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia at Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Mich., the character is "consistent with what we in the United States would refer to as a pickaninny image."

But such stereotypes have long been banished to the realm of collectibles in this country, and rightfully so. Long before the overreach of political correctness, people worked to rid the nation of some truly ugly elements. This was a product of political struggle on the part of African Americans and others who fought for an integrated society. So naturally most Americans recoiled in disgust when the offending stamp was revealed.

But in Mexico the stamps have been selling out, with lines out the door of local post offices. In fact, the Mexican postal service defended the series vigorously, calling Memin Pinguin a "nice, little motor-mouth who, thanks to his good humor and particular way of seeing the world, wins the hearts" of the other characters. Isn't that special?

Mexicans themselves seem perplexed by all the hoopla. In a society where such terms of endearment as guero (blond) for Caucasians or fair-skinned Mexicans and negro (black), negrito (blackie) or moreno (brown) for darker-skinned Mexicans are standard, the Memin Pinguin stamps are simply par for the course.

So is it reasonable to suggest that the struggles that have been waged by African Americans have not filtered down south of the border? Both countries have a legacy of slavery, but different pathways led to the divergent populations that exist today.

Slave Trade in Mexico

Although the study of slavery tends to focus exclusively on the United States, it was widely practiced in the ancient world and later by various people around the world, including of course Europe. It was the Spanish slave trade that first brought Africans to Mexico, as early as 1520. Although slaves were initially treated more like personal servants and Christianized before their arrival, the Spanish crown soon expanded the practice into a full-blown slave trade. The population of blacks grew to outnumber the Spanish and eventually reached 200,000. With Mexico's independence in 1829, slavery was finally abolished after almost 300 years.

But slavery had taken its toll on the remnants of African culture, and intermarriage with indigenous people, and to a lesser extent with the Spanish, created a population of mixed-bloods, or mulattos. The descendants of these people continued to intermarry, which may be why the contemporary Afro-Mexican population is relatively small.

The two areas where the most blacks in Mexico live are the Costa Chica and the state of Veracruz. Like the indigenous people in the area, Afro-Mexicans are mostly campesinos or peasant farmers. Because the Mexican government does not use "race" in its census data, it's difficult to gauge population, but Afro-Mexicans appear to be short of both political and economic power. Compared to the legion of African American faces among the rich and famous, Afro-Mexicans are relatively invisible in popular culture, except of course for derogatory figures such as Memin Pinguin.

Despite the backdrop of slavery, many Mexicans are in denial about this aspect of their history. Colin A. Palmer, in an article titled "A Legacy of Slavery," recounts one such conversation in which a Mexican student insisted that Africans came to Mexico only as fugitive slaves from North America or Cuba. Yet at one time, Palmer notes, Mexico "probably had more African slaves than any other colony in the Western Hemisphere." And unlike the United States, where people have openly confronted their past, Mexico has yet to come to terms with its history. Maybe this is why gross misrepresentations of blacks such as Memin Pinguin are considered harmless. If racism never existed in Mexico, then how could this caricature be racist?

Factional Attitudes

Then there's the factional attitude of various Latin Americans toward each other -- often partly based on the color continuum. These prejudices have traveled along with their purveyors to the United States and are well known by those who rub shoulders with Latino workers. My stepfather and his brother work in construction, and over the years they have noticed the hostility between Mexicans and the mostly darker-skinned Hondurans. They often refuse to work together and must be segregated by job. Although hardly politically correct, this bigotry is overlooked because it's perpetrated by one brown person against another. The truth is, racism transcends any one group, and when one looks beyond the white-vs.-black paradigm, discrimination is between degrees of brown.

Americans schooled in the ways of racial sensitivity can be shocked to travel abroad and witness the real world. My mother and I were in Hong Kong during the late 1980s and ran across something astounding: a toothpaste called "Darkie" (since changed to "Darlie.") On the front of the tube was a drawing of an Uncle Tom-like character from the Old South. We were so flabbergasted at the offensive find that we had to buy a tube to bring back and show our friends. But it was left in our hotel room, destined to be only a crazy story.

Unfortunately, Memin Pinguin is no crazy story and the proof is staring us all in the face. It's just too bad that it doesn't seem to bother our Mexican neighbors.

 

[tmonster]

Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Mexico
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Racism-Rears-Its-Ugly-Head-in-Mexico-3171753.php

http://firedoglake.com/2012/03/27/court-documents-prove-noms-plan-to-divide-black-gay-communities/

 

[Robbie3000]

you are just a very ignorant person and you dont know anything about black history

and also im not understanding why you keep up bring up Guatemala , what exactly is the significance of Guatemala in this discussion as opposed to say honduras or nicaragua lol

my statement goes beyond just Mexico and Guatemala, latin america as a whole is 100 percent white supremacist, what that means as far as black people its that these are cultures where black people are at the bottom and when immigrants come from those countries they bring their culture with them

and latino immigrants are showing every sign of trying to use black people as a stepping stone the same way european immigrants in the early 20th century did

the reality is that the latinos dont have a leg to stand on for denouncing white american racism because they themselves come from racist countries, from mexico to DR to columbia to brazil racism against blacks is rampant throughout latin america

black americans do not need to give 2 fuks in the battle between the descendents of spaniards and the descendants of englishmen, they are both the by products of cultures that enslaved and committed genocide against blacks and the oppression and racism continues to this day, anybody that doesnt understand this is ignorant about the history of africans in the new world

We are specifically talking about Mexico and Central America and your claims of anti black sentiments in their cultures. Mexico and Guatemala make up the bulk of illegal immigrants to the US. Yet they have the lowest number of blacks anywhere in the Americas.

So your claim that anti black sentiments are a big part of their culture is false and stupid.


By the way, you claim you hate illegals because they might be racist, but you are supporting and pushing a presidential candidate who has open ties with white supremacists.



This can't be life.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lot of bigotry in such a short thread. Very disheartening.

Bigotry?

Fam, I want a secure border with another nation. Is that so hard to ask?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The vast majority of illegals come from Mexico and Guatemala. The black population in these countries is neglible. It's less than 1% in most cases.

Tell us again why they would have an ingrained hatred of people that they probably have never even seen or interacted with before coming to the U.S.?

Like I said most immigrants just want to work and make money. They don't have a racial or nationalistic agenda.

This is just more paranoia from fascists like yourself and your right wing racists ilk.

I'm not playing the racism game.

I'm playing the American vs Non-American game

There are people who pay tons of money and work their asses off and frankly, get lucky to come to the USA

We should be importing the best each nation has to honor...respecting people who cheat the system is NOT the way to go

 

[88m3]

I'm not playing the racism game.

I'm playing the American vs Non-American game

There are people who pay tons of money and work their asses off and frankly, get lucky to come to the USA

We should be importing the best each nation has to honor...respecting people who cheat the system is NOT the way to go

lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

lol

what'd I say?

 

[theworldismine13]

We are specifically talking about Mexico and Central America and your claims of anti black sentiments in their cultures. Mexico and Guatemala make up the bulk of illegal immigrants to the US. Yet they have the lowest number of blacks anywhere in the Americas.

So your claim that anti black sentiments are a big part of their culture is false and stupid.


By the way, you claim you hate illegals because they might be racist, but you are supporting and pushing a presidential candidate who has open ties with white supremacists.



This can't be life.

1. anti black sentiments in the mexican communty can by cosigned by any black person living in california

2. the notion that a country can be white supremacist and somehow that racism not apply to black people because the black population is small is beyond stupid

3. an important part of studying the history of africans in americas, is asking the question as to why there so few black people or why so few people identify as black

as referenced in the article i posted, when you go back trough the history of central america and mexico what you find is a history of slavery, oppression and genocide and denial of african heritage

4. its actually San Salvador that is second to mexico http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845#countries but its all basiaclly mexico and central america

A Region in Denial: Racial Discrimination and Racism in Latin America
https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/adjudicating/papers/Deniallastversion.pdf

Beyond the soccer fields, racism is the enemy of millions of Latin Americans
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2014/05/02/racismo-enemigo-millones-brasil-america-latina

let me know if you need more articles on racism in latin america, we can do this all day

Countries such as Peru or Guatemala, for example, are known for their indigenous heritage, but also have a black population that is as unknown as it is discriminated against.

5. overall you should really stop, you are very ignorant about the history of africans in america, its embarassing reading your posts, anti black sentiments are very much part of the culture in mexico, guatetemala and the rest of latin america and its been documented

By the way, you claim you hate illegals because they might be racist, but you are supporting and pushing a presidential candidate who has open ties with white supremacists.

thats not what i said, i said illegal immigration is bad becuase it brings down wages

and i said that it doesnt matter if white people are racist against illegal immgrant becuase the immigrants come from racist countries that have white supremcist cultures and that they will try to use black people as stepping stones the same way european immigrants did in the early 20th century

a lot of white supremacists running around today in this country are just descendants of european immigrants

just like in the early 20th century, the battle between white american nativists and immigrants is really a battle between two groups of racist people, and black people and the black struggle should not be invoked in such arguments

in other words, what i hate is trying to conflate the black struggle with immigration issues

if immigrants are agaisnt racism, they should start with addressing racism in their own countries first

 

[Robbie3000]

1. anti black sentiments in the mexican communty can by cosigned by any black person living in california

2. the notion that a country can be white supremacist and somehow that racism not apply to black people because the black population is small is beyond stupid

Look dikkhead, if there are no black people, then there are no black people to be racist towards. Are you stupid? The black population of Mexico is less than 1%. The number is so small cause most slaves intermarried with the indigenous people.

3. an important part of studying the history of africans in americas, is asking the question as to why there so few black people or why so few people identify as black

as referenced in the article i posted, when you go back trough the history of central america and mexico what you find is a history of slavery, oppression and genocide and denial of african heritage

No. Really? a history of slavery, oppression and genocide in the Americas? really? You don't say.

4. its actually San Salvador that is second to mexico http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845#countries but its all basiaclly mexico and central america

I stand corrected. But the ethnic make up is still the same. Very small numbers of black people.

A Region in Denial: Racial Discrimination and Racism in Latin America

https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/humanrights/events/adjudicating/papers/Deniallastversion.pdf

Beyond the soccer fields, racism is the enemy of millions of Latin Americans
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2014/05/02/racismo-enemigo-millones-brasil-america-latina

Why are you lumping all of Latin America in to one group as if each group doesn't have distinct histories, cultures and demographics. Columbia or DR is a very different country from Mexico.

5. overall you should really stop, you are very ignorant about the history of africans in america, its embarassing reading your posts, anti black sentiments are very much part of the culture in mexico, guatetemala and the rest of latin america and its been documented

I'm far from ignorant about my history. I'm actually objective, unlike people like you who are blinded by hatred and misplaced anger.

thats not what i said, i said illegal immigration is bad becuase it brings down wages

and i said that it doesnt matter if white people are racist against illegal immgrant becuase the immigrants come from racist countries that have white supremcist cultures and that they will try to use black people as stepping stones the same way european immigrants did in the early 20th century

a lot of white supremacists running around today in this country are just descendants of european immigrants

just like in the early 20th century, the battle between white american nativists and immigrants is really a battle between two groups of racist people, and black people and the black struggle should not be invoked in such arguments

in other words, what i hate is trying to conflate the black struggle with immigration issues

if immigrants are agaisnt racism, they should start with addressing racism in their own countries first

Don't lie to yourself. You have a real deep seated hatred for Mexicans. If it was a battle between two groups of so-called racist people as you say, then you wouldn't spend so much time spamming these boards with anti-immigration threads.

Hate Mexicans cause they MIGHT be racist, but suck off actual racist white politician brehs.