So I turned on a NYL game and who do I see on the bench? 
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Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread
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Harleminthe80s
All Star
Hopefully it improve one aspect of his game 
Does the jerseys look different or I'm bugging
Does the jerseys look different or I'm bugging
nomoreneveragain
Superstar
Gonna go to Preseason Oct 3 to see them Play the Wiz in DC
Hopefully Porzingis gets alot of burn.
Hopefully Porzingis gets alot of burn.
KnickstapeCity
:mjpls:
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Think it's cause the lighting or shytty camera.Hopefully it improve one aspect of his game
Does the jerseys look different or I'm bugging
I'm thinking about hitting up the game they playing against Brazil, cheaper prices and they should win easily.
#SOG_soldier
New York knicks and phoenix suns stan
Agreed on both points Iggy should replace gianas on this list.
Groot
Guarding the Galaxy
This Guy Got A Point
that's deep Breh ! And so beautiful
We are Groot...
ZackMorris
I sit next to Spike
Knicksman20
Superstar
Melo Is Flawed, but Still Elite
Carmelo Anthony is not overrated.
Somewhere along the line, as heightened attacks on his individual status became an NBA pastime, perception of the New York Knickssuperstar started to move in the wrong direction. And while these routine critiques have become matter-of-fact, they're mostly mistaken.
Yet they live on, from season to season, feeding off an unending supply of detractive inspiration. Whether it's Anthony's playing style, something he or someone else said, an injury or his contract, there's always enough fodder to perpetuate this notion that he's overrated.
Most recently, Colin Cowherd of Fox Sports' The Herd saw fit to take this unremitting discussion one step further:
For such a claim to fall under the radar, as this one did, says a lot.
Sports radio's hopes of inciting shock can be counterproductive. The sheer volume of its attempts lead to generally harmless, sometimes dismissive interpretations of featured opinions. But in this case, there's also the possibility that Anthony's pumped-up standing is so accepted that there is no need to reaffirm a majority assumption.
In some ways, though, that's understandable. Anthony hasn't exactly earned the unconditional benefit of the doubt.
Forever Controversial
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Almost everything Anthony does is polarizing and (rightly) subject to deeper dissection. He forced a trade to the Knicks in 2011 rather than wait to sign with them in free agency—a move no doubt shaped by the impending lockout, but one that nevertheless cost New York assets it could have placed around Anthony or used as bait in a future blockbuster for, say, Chris Paul.
Last summer, as an unrestricted free agent, Anthony eschewed championship-ready opportunities, electing instead to sign a near-max deal with the rebuilding Knicks. For a player fast approaching his twilight who was presumably looking to win, that decision sent mixed signals at best.
When it became clear midway through last season that a left knee injury required extensive rehabilitation, Anthony didn't immediately shut it down. He played on, delaying surgery so that he could participate in the All-Star Game, a glorified exhibition contest that meant nothing to what was, at the time, a 10-win Knicks team.
The list goes on. Anthony is still viewed as a ball-stopper. His teams are 23-43 in the postseason. He appeared obsessed with off-court fame in an article Eli Saslowpenned for ESPN The Magazine last November.
Even the way he randomly pops up on social media to defend himself against critics has an unflattering feel to it. A fan recently asked the question "Is Carmelo Anthony still an elite player?" on Instagram, and Anthony, who is 31 years old and coming off major knee surgery, responded, "That may be the dumbest question ever asked."
To make matters easier for his fault-finders, Anthony's leadership methods, or lack thereof, are seldom praised. Where the transitioning Knicks need an outspoken commander, he is painted as an introvert.
Elsa/Getty Images
One of Anthony's greatest flaws is that he doesn't measure up to those against whom, in reality, he shouldn't be defined.
"Melo is more of an 'I'll show you' [leader]," J.R. Smith would say after being traded from the Knicks to the Cleveland Cavaliers, via NBA writer Ethan Skolnick, "as opposed to Bron is more of an 'I'll tell you, then I'll show you."
"He's not that guy," his former teammate, Chauncey Billups, told The Knicks Blog with Anthony Donahue in April (via ESPN.com's Ian Begley). "Melo's a good friend of mine, one of the best players I ever played with, but he's not the guy who's going to stand up in the locker room and give this rah-rah speech and get the team to rally. That's not who he is."
Therein lies the problem with Anthony—or rather, with those who argue that he's grossly overvalued.
Anthony is not LeBron James. He is not Chris Paul. He is not Kevin Durant. We know this. We have known this.
Flawed, but Elite
Rocky Widner/Getty Images
Anyone who judges Anthony against these preferred leaders and perennial MVP candidates is getting it all wrong by getting him all wrong. He has been in the league for 12 years, and after all that time, imperfect as he may be, it's unfair to demand that he become someone he's clearly not.
This, for the record, is not to be confused with letting Anthony off the hook. Longstanding imperfection is not a stock-saving defense. And if he hadn't made an effort to evolve over the past few years, this wouldn't even be worth mentioning.
But he has tried to change, and he has altered his play style, even if reluctantly.
Re-signing with the Knicks last summer meant Anthony would have to function without the ball more, something for which he isn't known. Elements of the triangle offense, as endorsed by team president Phil Jackson and head coach Derek Fisher, will forever remain part of New York's attack, and they'll demand additional passing.
Although the Knicks offense was largely lifeless last season, Anthony did show he can operate within a passing-packed system. The team ranked in the top 10 of assist percentage, and Anthony averaged more passes per minute in 2014-15 than he did in 2013-14.
That part of his game has always fallen by the wayside. Anthony has been known to fall in love with isolations, but he has never been a bad passer.
Over the last 10 years, Anthony's assist percentages have typically outpaced the average for all players to qualify for the minutes-per-game leaderboard:
Melo's AST% vs. League Average | Create infographics
There's something specifically to be said about the effects of Anthony's ball movement. His Knicks teammates shot nearly 51 percent (Anthony's assists divided by his assist opportunities) off his passes last season, up from the 42.8 percent New York shot overall.
Anthony is at the height of his drive-and-kick superpowers, which should allow his assist totals to climb with time and surrounding talent. He still sucks in two defenders when operating from either block and is smart enough nowadays to fling a pass toward the open shooter, who, depending on the defensive scheme, is usually located just above the break:
Defenses send even more help at Anthony when he's on the move. He's able to slip past bodies and outstretched arms when working off the slightest screens, and upon reaching the paint, two, three and four players converge to stop him.
At that point, all Anthony needs to do is roll the dice on one of his many open shooters:
Those are passes he will make, many of them coming within the flow of the offense, some of them admittedly coming after he burns time off the shot clock in isolation. But he will still make them.
Certain sets will even see Anthony act as one of the orbiting shooters. He has gradually learned to play off the rock more, not only making him a more dangerous scorer but ensuring he can effectively complement other ball-dominant stars, should the Knicks ever hit it big in free agency:
Carmelo Anthony is not overrated.
Somewhere along the line, as heightened attacks on his individual status became an NBA pastime, perception of the New York Knickssuperstar started to move in the wrong direction. And while these routine critiques have become matter-of-fact, they're mostly mistaken.
Yet they live on, from season to season, feeding off an unending supply of detractive inspiration. Whether it's Anthony's playing style, something he or someone else said, an injury or his contract, there's always enough fodder to perpetuate this notion that he's overrated.
Most recently, Colin Cowherd of Fox Sports' The Herd saw fit to take this unremitting discussion one step further:
For such a claim to fall under the radar, as this one did, says a lot.
Sports radio's hopes of inciting shock can be counterproductive. The sheer volume of its attempts lead to generally harmless, sometimes dismissive interpretations of featured opinions. But in this case, there's also the possibility that Anthony's pumped-up standing is so accepted that there is no need to reaffirm a majority assumption.
In some ways, though, that's understandable. Anthony hasn't exactly earned the unconditional benefit of the doubt.
Forever Controversial
Andrew D. Bernstein/Getty Images
Almost everything Anthony does is polarizing and (rightly) subject to deeper dissection. He forced a trade to the Knicks in 2011 rather than wait to sign with them in free agency—a move no doubt shaped by the impending lockout, but one that nevertheless cost New York assets it could have placed around Anthony or used as bait in a future blockbuster for, say, Chris Paul.
Last summer, as an unrestricted free agent, Anthony eschewed championship-ready opportunities, electing instead to sign a near-max deal with the rebuilding Knicks. For a player fast approaching his twilight who was presumably looking to win, that decision sent mixed signals at best.
When it became clear midway through last season that a left knee injury required extensive rehabilitation, Anthony didn't immediately shut it down. He played on, delaying surgery so that he could participate in the All-Star Game, a glorified exhibition contest that meant nothing to what was, at the time, a 10-win Knicks team.
The list goes on. Anthony is still viewed as a ball-stopper. His teams are 23-43 in the postseason. He appeared obsessed with off-court fame in an article Eli Saslowpenned for ESPN The Magazine last November.
Even the way he randomly pops up on social media to defend himself against critics has an unflattering feel to it. A fan recently asked the question "Is Carmelo Anthony still an elite player?" on Instagram, and Anthony, who is 31 years old and coming off major knee surgery, responded, "That may be the dumbest question ever asked."
To make matters easier for his fault-finders, Anthony's leadership methods, or lack thereof, are seldom praised. Where the transitioning Knicks need an outspoken commander, he is painted as an introvert.
Elsa/Getty Images
One of Anthony's greatest flaws is that he doesn't measure up to those against whom, in reality, he shouldn't be defined.
"Melo is more of an 'I'll show you' [leader]," J.R. Smith would say after being traded from the Knicks to the Cleveland Cavaliers, via NBA writer Ethan Skolnick, "as opposed to Bron is more of an 'I'll tell you, then I'll show you."
"He's not that guy," his former teammate, Chauncey Billups, told The Knicks Blog with Anthony Donahue in April (via ESPN.com's Ian Begley). "Melo's a good friend of mine, one of the best players I ever played with, but he's not the guy who's going to stand up in the locker room and give this rah-rah speech and get the team to rally. That's not who he is."
Therein lies the problem with Anthony—or rather, with those who argue that he's grossly overvalued.
Anthony is not LeBron James. He is not Chris Paul. He is not Kevin Durant. We know this. We have known this.
Flawed, but Elite
Rocky Widner/Getty Images
Anyone who judges Anthony against these preferred leaders and perennial MVP candidates is getting it all wrong by getting him all wrong. He has been in the league for 12 years, and after all that time, imperfect as he may be, it's unfair to demand that he become someone he's clearly not.
This, for the record, is not to be confused with letting Anthony off the hook. Longstanding imperfection is not a stock-saving defense. And if he hadn't made an effort to evolve over the past few years, this wouldn't even be worth mentioning.
But he has tried to change, and he has altered his play style, even if reluctantly.
Re-signing with the Knicks last summer meant Anthony would have to function without the ball more, something for which he isn't known. Elements of the triangle offense, as endorsed by team president Phil Jackson and head coach Derek Fisher, will forever remain part of New York's attack, and they'll demand additional passing.
Although the Knicks offense was largely lifeless last season, Anthony did show he can operate within a passing-packed system. The team ranked in the top 10 of assist percentage, and Anthony averaged more passes per minute in 2014-15 than he did in 2013-14.
That part of his game has always fallen by the wayside. Anthony has been known to fall in love with isolations, but he has never been a bad passer.
Over the last 10 years, Anthony's assist percentages have typically outpaced the average for all players to qualify for the minutes-per-game leaderboard:
Melo's AST% vs. League Average | Create infographics
There's something specifically to be said about the effects of Anthony's ball movement. His Knicks teammates shot nearly 51 percent (Anthony's assists divided by his assist opportunities) off his passes last season, up from the 42.8 percent New York shot overall.
Anthony is at the height of his drive-and-kick superpowers, which should allow his assist totals to climb with time and surrounding talent. He still sucks in two defenders when operating from either block and is smart enough nowadays to fling a pass toward the open shooter, who, depending on the defensive scheme, is usually located just above the break:
Defenses send even more help at Anthony when he's on the move. He's able to slip past bodies and outstretched arms when working off the slightest screens, and upon reaching the paint, two, three and four players converge to stop him.
At that point, all Anthony needs to do is roll the dice on one of his many open shooters:
Those are passes he will make, many of them coming within the flow of the offense, some of them admittedly coming after he burns time off the shot clock in isolation. But he will still make them.
Certain sets will even see Anthony act as one of the orbiting shooters. He has gradually learned to play off the rock more, not only making him a more dangerous scorer but ensuring he can effectively complement other ball-dominant stars, should the Knicks ever hit it big in free agency:
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Superstar
Melo's Assisted and Unassisted Field Goals Since Joining NYK | Create infographics
Forty-five percent of Anthony's made baskets came off assists last season, his highest mark since joining New York for 27 games in 2010-11. And it came while playing for the worst Knicks team ever, albeit over a mildly warped sample size.
Nevertheless, Anthony's mixed bag of offensive weapons has never been more expansive, which is saying something. He ranks 14th in offensive win shares since entering the league (11th among active players). He is one of only 35 players in league history to maintain an offensive box plus/minus of at least 2.5 through 30,000 minutes of action.
Last season's Knicks, the team that won just 17 games and fielded a bottom-two offense, scored at the rate of a top-10point-piling machine when Anthony was in the game. That's absurd, and it's not an impact any ol' player can have. Anthony is special in that way.
As Joe Flynn wrote for Posting and Toasting:
The whole "does Melo make his teammates better" argument, which will continue to rage on for the rest of eternity, misses the point. What he does is lessen the burden on his other teammates. Scoring enough points against NBA defenses is incredibly difficult. A healthy, effective Carmelo Anthony mitigates much of that difficulty -- he gets tons of buckets at a fairly efficient rate, with minimal help from others. He throws the defense out of whack, which leads to open shots for others. All that he needs to build an above-average NBA offense is a group of guys who hit open shots, know where to stand and cut, and who aren't actively tripping over their own d---s for 48 minutes.
The ability to carry an offense toward adequacy or sometimes elitism, irrespective of its dead weight, does not make Anthony the ideal superstar. But it is an important context.
A Complicated Reputation
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So too is the fact that Anthony's contract, while still expensive, will look like a stronger investment next summer. He will go from representing 36.6 percent of the Knicks' cap space in 2015-16 to taking up just 29.5 percent or less in 2016-17. And that's additional wiggle room New York can leverage against roster improvements.
Most importantly, for all the deservedleadership flak Anthony generates, he is making a concerted effort to improve.
Despite initial reports that declared he was unhappy with the Knicks' drafting a long-term project like Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony has taken the rookie under his wing well ahead of training camp and the NBA's preseason, according to ESPN.com's Ian Begley.
And yet, no matter the change, the "overrated" stance will live on, because Anthony isn't James. He isn't Durant. He isn't Paul. He isn't someone who has shown he can be the lone star on a title contender.
Even though we must nod to the fact that Anthony entered the league around the same time as those guys, with stronger college credentials than many of them, it doesn't justify holding him to an identical scale. They're all different. Anthony has wedged his way into their bubble as an Olympics teammate, as an off-court friendand as a member of the All-Star Brat Pack, but he is not the same.
Once upon a time, when it wasn't yet known Anthony was different, perhaps he was overrated. And the Knicks, as currently constructed, in need of a steadying guide, pose a test he has never quite passed. But the assaults on his superstardom are railing against an outdated enemy.
Forty-five percent of Anthony's made baskets came off assists last season, his highest mark since joining New York for 27 games in 2010-11. And it came while playing for the worst Knicks team ever, albeit over a mildly warped sample size.
Nevertheless, Anthony's mixed bag of offensive weapons has never been more expansive, which is saying something. He ranks 14th in offensive win shares since entering the league (11th among active players). He is one of only 35 players in league history to maintain an offensive box plus/minus of at least 2.5 through 30,000 minutes of action.
Last season's Knicks, the team that won just 17 games and fielded a bottom-two offense, scored at the rate of a top-10point-piling machine when Anthony was in the game. That's absurd, and it's not an impact any ol' player can have. Anthony is special in that way.
As Joe Flynn wrote for Posting and Toasting:
The whole "does Melo make his teammates better" argument, which will continue to rage on for the rest of eternity, misses the point. What he does is lessen the burden on his other teammates. Scoring enough points against NBA defenses is incredibly difficult. A healthy, effective Carmelo Anthony mitigates much of that difficulty -- he gets tons of buckets at a fairly efficient rate, with minimal help from others. He throws the defense out of whack, which leads to open shots for others. All that he needs to build an above-average NBA offense is a group of guys who hit open shots, know where to stand and cut, and who aren't actively tripping over their own d---s for 48 minutes.
The ability to carry an offense toward adequacy or sometimes elitism, irrespective of its dead weight, does not make Anthony the ideal superstar. But it is an important context.
A Complicated Reputation
Jim McIsaac/Getty Images
So too is the fact that Anthony's contract, while still expensive, will look like a stronger investment next summer. He will go from representing 36.6 percent of the Knicks' cap space in 2015-16 to taking up just 29.5 percent or less in 2016-17. And that's additional wiggle room New York can leverage against roster improvements.
Most importantly, for all the deservedleadership flak Anthony generates, he is making a concerted effort to improve.
Despite initial reports that declared he was unhappy with the Knicks' drafting a long-term project like Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony has taken the rookie under his wing well ahead of training camp and the NBA's preseason, according to ESPN.com's Ian Begley.
And yet, no matter the change, the "overrated" stance will live on, because Anthony isn't James. He isn't Durant. He isn't Paul. He isn't someone who has shown he can be the lone star on a title contender.
Even though we must nod to the fact that Anthony entered the league around the same time as those guys, with stronger college credentials than many of them, it doesn't justify holding him to an identical scale. They're all different. Anthony has wedged his way into their bubble as an Olympics teammate, as an off-court friendand as a member of the All-Star Brat Pack, but he is not the same.
Once upon a time, when it wasn't yet known Anthony was different, perhaps he was overrated. And the Knicks, as currently constructed, in need of a steadying guide, pose a test he has never quite passed. But the assaults on his superstardom are railing against an outdated enemy.
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