Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Kind of unsettling to see Tyson balling out in Dallas. Looking more and more like this team should have been gutted(ie Melo and JR).

Dolan will never allow it..he was never gonna let melo walk

Best case scenario they use all their space on a Gasol or Rondo that doesn't make them contenders it makes them a mid tier playoff team

Knicks only hope is to get lucky in the draft and get a Okafor or Towns along with a Rondo or Gasol but Knicks aren't Sixers bad they'll do enough to win in the low to mid 30's and screw themselves

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Kind of unsettling to see Tyson balling out in Dallas. Looking more and more like this team should have been gutted(ie Melo and JR).

So, you would have rather kept a guy who obviously quit on this team & city and get rid of a bonafide star.

Welcome to my world

I don't know how you you do it breh. And word is Kevin Martin is out indefinitely with a broken wrist. A wrist that he broke in the 1st quarter & still proceeded to give us BUCKETS

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[tremonthustler1]

So, you would have rather kept a guy who obviously quit on this team & city and get rid of a bonafide star.



I don't know how you you do it breh. And word is Kevin Martin is out indefinitely with a broken wrist. A wrist that he broke in the 1st quarter & still proceeded to give us BUCKETS

I don't.

The Wolves are like following the Yankees minor league system. You don't need to watch the games to get updates on the farm. That's where I am with this.

 

[The War Report]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-1990s-called-and-wants-the-knicks-strategy-back-1416617400?KEYWORDS=Chris herring

Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson have a lot of explaining to do.

 

[I.V.]

So, you would have rather kept a guy who obviously quit on this team & city and get rid of a bonafide star.

Well if you were getting rid of players that quit on the team last year, you'd have to get rid of Melo, too.

Let's not rewrite history. It's too much work.

 

[Liquid]

The Knicks-Spurs has been replaced by Pelicans-Mavericks on December 10th

The Knicks are officially the joke of the league

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...le-update-pelicans-at-mavericks-added-dec-10/

Start the off-season thread already

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-1990s-called-and-wants-the-knicks-strategy-back-1416617400?KEYWORDS=Chris herring

Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson have a lot of explaining to do.

Systems are overrated it's about talent in the NBA which the Knicks lack

 

[23Barrettcity]

Well if you were getting rid of players that quit on the team last year, you'd have to get rid of Melo, too.

Let's not rewrite history. It's too much work.

How the hell did mslo quit Tyson threw players under the bus , was always hurt , never showed up in the playoffs and took no blame for anything. He turned into a bad teammate

 

[23Barrettcity]

What did these say edit: Calderon sighting

 

[23Barrettcity]

Idk as bad as it looks last year looked more like effort to me in the beginning this team looks like a lack of talent more than anything . Thjr man idk what happened with him .

 

[I.V.]

How the hell did mslo quit Tyson threw players under the bus , was always hurt , never showed up in the playoffs and took no blame for anything. He turned into a bad teammate

HAHAHAHAHAHA

He was DPOY, one of the most efficient offensive players in the league...
He's always battled injuries, but last year played with a roster that gave up on defense... and then when he says "Nobody is playing defense" you cry that HE quit???



You know you're in a Knick fan thread when a player being honest about his teammates is considered a bad teammate.


Oh oh, but wait... we're better this year without him. We're more TALENTED this year without him. That's right. I forgot.


You dudes will do ANYTHING to ignore what actually happens on the floor.

But Tyson Chandler got hurt.... who cares that he was the driving force behind the Knicks 2nd place season.

 

[Wargames]

That is not what happened. And Amar'e is responsible for making the Knicks relevant again. Amar'e wasn't an Allan-Houston-Situation, don't rewrite history.






I get very defensive about people who don't understand how Amar'e/Melo got here.

Don't mistake me for some other posters here bruh I been a fan before then and saw that shyt go down with my own two eyes.

For 2010 the knicks went all in (to the point they were in permanent firesale mode) to make room for 2 Superstar players. Specifically Lebron and then pair him with Bosh or Amare.

They whiffed on Lebron, whiffed on Bosh cause those guys knew they were going to miami. but originally the plan was to get Bosh or Amare to pair next to Lebron. When the knicks knew Lebron was gone then the plan was to get Joe Johnson and Amare for the sake of D'antoni, then the Knicks whiffed on Joe Johnson. Amare was suppose to be part of a duo from jump. Specifically a duo to play that SSOL system of D'antoni. The irony is as soon as the knicks got Amare they started moving away from the SSOL system. I remember the passive aggressive shyt Amare said when asked if he thought Lebron was going to join him in 2010 because everybody thought Amare was suppose to be the second piece and he knew he was the only FA coming to NY because NY was giving him a fifth guaranteed year.

Getting Melo afterwards was part Amare but it also was the fact that the knicks still had a shytload of cap money for another Max player. Chris Paul was a target too but like always it comes down to money and opportunity when it comes to FA. Melo is about his paper, guaranteed contracts, and big markets. Amare can't give him any of that. Which is my point if the knicks Whiff on Marc Gasol don't overpay a player like Hibbert (if he is available) sit on the money and wait for somebody who fits in with the system.

Also yeah Amare was killing it when he first got here, but the knicks traded the whole team built around his game (SSOL) for Melo and then kept adding pieces that don't fit since. I knew the knicks didn't understand Amare's game the second they got Tyson Chandler and asked Amare to play PF when his biggest advantage was speed and athleticism at the 5. The knicks got out the first round 1 time since Amare got here, got knocked out the first round in 5 games twice (plus that fire extinguisher shyt was fukking stupid the year they faced the Heat cause the knicks were only down 2 - 0 and going back to the garden) and now they could possibly miss the playoffs twice as well.



With all that said I like Amare. Dude isn't a bum status like Houston or Curry was, he got heart. However, Amare hasn't made the knicks relevant..... they still aren't because to be relevant you got to go deep in the playoffs and the knicks roster up to now wasn't made with a specific idea or system to do that. I am looking to Phil da gawd to fix that and have the knicks go deep in the playoffs next season.

Exactly no Amar'e means Melo is playing in Brooklyn

man no Dolan interfering with Walsh during the negotiations for Melo and trading everything (and taking all of Denver's trash) got Melo here. The Nyets would have Melo and the knicks would of likely have got Deron William's. Melo wanted his money, a team in a big market city, and to get the fukk away from Karl. Yeah Amare is his man but him coming to NY (and him staying here) was business.

 

[I.V.]

Getting Melo afterwards was part Amare but it also was the fact that the knicks still had a shytload of cap money for another Max player. Chris Paul was a target too but like always it comes down to money and opportunity when it comes to FA. Melo is about his paper, guaranteed contracts, and big markets. Amare can't give him any of that

I deleted the rest because it was irrelevant to the point. Especially because Joe Johnson never almost a Knick. Don't believe that fred kerber bullshyt. He took a meeting, but it was the first meeting, he took the super max from Atlanta and was NEVER considering anything except the supermax from Atlanta.

There was ZERO Joe Johnson buzz in New York.

Melo came to new york because the idea of playing with Amar'e gave him another star - it wasn't JUST the camp room, because he could have resigned in Denver, who also had the money - he came because Amar'e was here, the Knicks were relevant again, and the idea of pairing them together made it look like they could get to the next level.

And again, the biggest issue with Amar'e's game was not his speed at the 5. He was always a 4. He always played like a 4, and Tyson doesn't score out of the post anyway, so it's not like his spacing got fukked up. It's his athleticism was sapped by more injuries. Knee deteriorated, back injuries sapped him more. He's diminished. Which was ALWAYS a risk (if not an inevitability) with signing him.


Finally, as far as relevancy goes - nobody is more aware/loud about the fact that the Knicks are currently irrelevant. My point was... for a season and a half, maybe two seasons they were. Specifically the no.2 in the East season. It ended with them losing to a better team, but they were definitely relevant. The Garden was jumping, it was cool for a season to be a Knick fan again. If you had to get to the finals to be relevant, then only two teams would ever be relevant. Yanno?



Which is why it's all up to :PhilFinger:. And I know he's scouting this draft with the face.

 

[Wargames]

I deleted the rest because it was irrelevant to the point. Especially because Joe Johnson never almost a Knick. Don't believe that fred kerber bullshyt. He took a meeting, but it was the first meeting, he took the super max from Atlanta and was NEVER considering anything except the supermax from Atlanta.

There was ZERO Joe Johnson buzz in New York.

Melo came to new york because the idea of playing with Amar'e gave him another star - it wasn't JUST the camp room, because he could have resigned in Denver, who also had the money - he came because Amar'e was here, the Knicks were relevant again, and the idea of pairing them together made it look like they could get to the next level.

And again, the biggest issue with Amar'e's game was not his speed at the 5. He was always a 4. He always played like a 4, and Tyson doesn't score out of the post anyway, so it's not like his spacing got fukked up. It's his athleticism was sapped by more injuries. Knee deteriorated, back injuries sapped him more. He's diminished. Which was ALWAYS a risk (if not an inevitability) with signing him.


Finally, as far as relevancy goes - nobody is more aware/loud about the fact that the Knicks are currently irrelevant. My point was... for a season and a half, maybe two seasons they were. Specifically the no.2 in the East season. It ended with them losing to a better team, but they were definitely relevant. The Garden was jumping, it was cool for a season to be a Knick fan again. If you had to get to the finals to be relevant, then only two teams would ever be relevant. Yanno?



Which is why it's all up to :PhilFinger:. And I know he's scouting this draft with the face.

Melo coming for Amare is a great story but don't forget he was a Dolan interference away from just going to Brooklyn. He wanted out of Denver because it was a small market, and likely he was tired of George Karl. Melo had to force a trade to get the most years and money (which is exactly what he did). If it wasn't the knicks it would of been somebody else.

Yeah Amare plays like a 4, but in SSOL he is a five. Thats why I wrote all that stuff about D'antoni and the SSOL system. The best work he did as a knick was playing the 5 under D'antoni and being surrounded by shooters. The knicks were playing really well until just before the Melo trade when the whole team basically knew they were being sent to Denver. Amare had half a season as the main piece (putting up MVP type numbers) and they gave that whole team away.

Also I do believe they were close to getting joe johnson but the lolFalcon's got involved. The knicks were desperate for a duo, its what they promised the fans for all those seasons of tanking for nothing. That desperation is what led to the Melo trade being such a rape trade.

Also the no.2 East season was more due to Melo going off as the scoring champ, JR going off as sixth man, and Tyson becoming a double double machine. Amare helped but lets not act like his lack of defense almost always lessened whatever he did offensively. On a side note Dolan (or Grunwald) fukked that team up too. Woodson has his issues (iso, iso, iso) but it worked cause he had shooters. I want to believe they traded Novak (along with Camby) for Bargnani to have more room in 2015. But that was another shoot yourself in the foot move by the knicks. They've needed an identity and then they need to stick to it good or bad season.

With that said yeah I agree tank. It would be great to find a big to put beside Marc in the draft (my Pick Karl Towns), but honestly if they whiff on Gasol the Draft this year is the best chance the knicks have to get a Center who could fit the triangle.