Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[seemorecizzy]

murder got a good point, why would free agents like gasol or aldrich leave their 50 plus winning teams to come to ny for less money if we missed the playoffs two years in a row. we atleast gotta show that on the right track.
theres no reason why we shouldnt make the playoffs
not liking what i've seen the last 3 games tho

 

[Wargames]

It's still really early and the start PG is injured. On another note is it me or has PG been a major issue/weakness since Melo has been in NY? The last decent PG was Felton before he was traded the first time, Billups for one game, and lin before he got exposed by Miami. I mean I know the triangle doesn't need a great PG but fukk I hope Calderon proves to be decent.

 

[Wargames]

I been thinking about it and does it matter if this team wins or not? We all know this team isn't a legit contender. Also outside of melo, Calderon, timmy, and cleanthony who is a definitely going to be on the roster next year? Maybe shump if the knicks match (and that's not a sure thing unless they already got their FA'S signed so they can use shump bird rights). Nobody but Melo and the Triangle under phil, and money is going to get FA'S here.

If the Knicks can get a Big Man to put besides Marc Gasol like they did with Bynum next to Pau..... I would support the tank.

 

[hoodheronova]

Bruh...

We're not even ten games into a season with a new coach, a new offensive system that is heavily reliant on our currently injured point guard and requires a big man that can pass AND post.

That last part I wrote, there's no evidence that it can be fixed without another player being added to the roster. Everything else requires time and patience and a concerted effort from all players to buy in. 7 games in an 83 game season doesn't exactly scream patience fam. There's a lot of games left to be played and we've already seen that it CAN work

The triangle isn't reliant on Jose Calderon. It doesn't take a great PG to run it either.

The triangle is working because our FG % has been good for all of our players...

It's our defense that is horrendous and your telling me Jose Caledron is going to change that

D Fish is playing all of our players and they are buying in. We're gonna win more games once we learn the triangle and out score some weaker teams

But we still don't have the talent to be contenders

We are 2-5, with a new head coach, implementing a new system, and we have 2 possible starters, along with a key reserve out with injuries. How is that disastrous? Some of you cats are

Tell me how these key reserves will help us with our defense and increase our free throw attempts

Yea it's early in the season, maybe you can see where the championship caliber talent in our team is

But I don't see it

If I was the GM I would do a complete rebuild of this shytty franchise that should have been done a decade ago

But NY fans need to win now so let's sign shytty soon to retire veterans and give away our top draft picks

murder got a good point, why would free agents like gasol or aldrich leave their 50 plus winning teams to come to ny for less money if we missed the playoffs two years in a row. we atleast gotta show that on the right track.
theres no reason why we shouldnt make the playoffs
not liking what i've seen the last 3 games tho

The knicks aren't a bad team. We can change from a losing to contending team very easily.
We did it 2013.
The Heat did it
The Celtics did it
Now the Cavs are gonna do it
Being in a shyt Eastern conference allows us to do that
If they come to NY not only will they go further into the playoffs but they might win a chip

Also we might have roughly 40 mil in cap space. No one is taking a paycut

It's still really early and the start PG is injured. On another note is it me or has PG been a major issue/weakness since Melo has been in NY? The last decent PG was Felton before he was traded the first time, Billups for one game, and lin before he got exposed by Miami. I mean I know the triangle doesn't need a great PG but fukk I hope Calderon proves to be decent.

Calderon will be great. Preseason he was great. We will win more games

We will still suck because Calderon doesn't bring effective perimeter defense every night

I been thinking about it and does it matter if this team wins or not? We all know this team isn't a legit contender. Also outside of melo, Calderon, timmy, and cleanthony who is a definitely going to be on the roster next year? Maybe shump if the knicks match (and that's not a sure thing unless they already got their FA'S signed so they can use shump bird rights). Nobody but Melo and the Triangle under phil, and money is going to get FA'S here.

If the Knicks can get a Big Man to put besides Marc Gasol like they did with Bynum next to Pau..... I would support the tank.

You gotta dream big to win big.
It's not really tanking if you don't have the talent to win.

Real tanking is what the lakers and 76ers are doing

And the only reason I say the lakers are tanking is because Kobe knew what he was doing when he signed that contract that took half the lakers salary cap

 

[Rev]

Have we discussed Melo's hat from Friday night?

 

[DirtyD]

 

[seemorecizzy]

The triangle isn't reliant on Jose Calderon. It doesn't take a great PG to run it either.

The triangle is working because our FG % has been good for all of our players...

It's our defense that is horrendous and your telling me Jose Caledron is going to change that

D Fish is playing all of our players and they are buying in. We're gonna win more games once we learn the triangle and out score some weaker teams

But we still don't have the talent to be contenders


Tell me how these key reserves will help us with our defense and increase our free throw attempts

Yea it's early in the season, maybe you can see where the championship caliber talent in our team is

But I don't see it

If I was the GM I would do a complete rebuild of this shytty franchise that should have been done a decade ago

But NY fans need to win now so let's sign shytty soon to retire veterans and give away our top draft picks


The knicks aren't a bad team. We can change from a losing to contending team very easily.
We did it 2013.
The Heat did it
The Celtics did it
Now the Cavs are gonna do it
Being in a shyt Eastern conference allows us to do that
If they come to NY not only will they go further into the playoffs but they might win a chip

Also we might have roughly 40 mil in cap space. No one is taking a paycut


Calderon will be great. Preseason he was great. We will win more games

We will still suck because Calderon doesn't bring effective perimeter defense every night



You gotta dream big to win big.
It's not really tanking if you don't have the talent to win.

Real tanking is what the lakers and 76ers are doing

And the only reason I say the lakers are tanking is because Kobe knew what he was doing when he signed that contract that took half the lakers salary cap

Your comparing apples and oranges
and they would have to take less guaranteed because memphis and portland can offer more
you asking guys who are on stacked teams, that are contenders in THE WEST and already have allstars on their teams.
to come to a 30 plus win team in the knicks just because its ny, its the east, and its carmelo anthony. and start ALL over agian

sorry man dont sound realistic
we gotta show we can atleast make the first round

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Your comparing apples and oranges
and they would have to take less guaranteed because memphis and portland can offer more
you asking guys who are on stacked teams, that are contenders in THE WEST and already have allstars on their teams.
to come to a 30 plus win team in the knicks just because its ny, its the east, and its carmelo anthony. and start ALL over agian

sorry man dont sound realistic
we gotta show we can atleast make the first round

These tanking cats don't understand that. And like I said before, Phil Jax didn't come here for a rebuilding project. He has a plan in motion, let him cook. This team constructed as is, is at best a 1st round, maybe 2nd round exit.

 

[Victim of Racism]

No trade can fix this shytty team.

At least enough for us to get past the bulls, cavs, heat

maybe even the Nets/Raptors

Superstars have gone to big market teams that are shytty
Ala Chris Paul to the Clippers
Even Lebron went back to Cleveland

You can't convince me that NO superstar would come to NY "The Mecca" "Home to the World's Most Famous Arena"

More superstars don't need to fix the team. This team won 54 games 2 seasons ago when they were healthy. Last season they weren't healthy, as only 4 players missed less than 16 games and some of the 4 (Swish and Shump) weren't healthy. They are much improved. Spurs showed that you can have no superstars in their prime and win with a team-oriented system, so all that needs to be done is to get players who fit the system. Spurs' biggest beast is Patty Mills. Swish is just as good and Shump is just as good a perimeter defender as Kawhi.

CP3 only went to the Clipps because Stern blocked him from going to the Lake Show. Lj went home because of Love (which he knew beforehand) and Kyrie because he knew the rings had dried up in Miami. That's what he does.

The fact that 3 players (Beno, Metta, and Tyson) wanted out of NY should tell you that NY has to prove that with a few more pieces, they can be competitive before those pieces decide to come waste their prime years there.

 

[Victim of Racism]

The triangle isn't reliant on Jose Calderon. It doesn't take a great PG to run it either.

The triangle is working because our FG % has been good for all of our players...

It's our defense that is horrendous and your telling me Jose Caledron is going to change that

D Fish is playing all of our players and they are buying in. We're gonna win more games once we learn the triangle and out score some weaker teams

But we still don't have the talent to be contenders

Tell me how these key reserves will help us with our defense and increase our free throw attempts

Yea it's early in the season, maybe you can see where the championship caliber talent in our team is

But I don't see it

If I was the GM I would do a complete rebuild of this shytty franchise that should have been done a decade ago

But NY fans need to win now so let's sign shytty soon to retire veterans and give away our top draft picks

The knicks aren't a bad team. We can change from a losing to contending team very easily.
We did it 2013.
The Heat did it
The Celtics did it
Now the Cavs are gonna do it
Being in a shyt Eastern conference allows us to do that
If they come to NY not only will they go further into the playoffs but they might win a chip

Also we might have roughly 40 mil in cap space. No one is taking a paycut

Calderon will be great. Preseason he was great. We will win more games

We will still suck because Calderon doesn't bring effective perimeter defense every night

You gotta dream big to win big.
It's not really tanking if you don't have the talent to win.

Real tanking is what the lakers and 76ers are doing

And the only reason I say the lakers are tanking is because Kobe knew what he was doing when he signed that contract that took half the lakers salary cap

Yes, you do need a good and willing passer in the Triangle, so what are you talking about? José is one of best in the game in that category. They also need his great shooting and savvy in running the floor while they're learning a new system. Larkin has no experience; none. He is no replacement for José; not even close. NY's fg% is terrible (19th at 43.8%), so, again, what are you talking about? You're also wrong about the defense. NY is only terrible in 1 defensive category:

1st in opp pitp
6th in opp fg% at the rim
6th in opp fga's at the rim
4th in opp fbps
16th in opp ppg (just below average)
12th in opp 2nd chance points
9th in rpg
17th in opp rpg (just below average)
20 in opp fg% (this is terrible)
Last in opp 3pfg% (this is irrelevant because most of a teams attempts are gonna be 2ptrs)

You make false claims about NY's defense, then you cape for the Cavs who are a horrible defensive team. Lj is a putrid defender and Love's philosophy of standing under the rim is "I'm just here for the rebound, somebody else gon' have to protect the rim". Kyrie? They don't even have the system for defense like the Triangle. Why do you think they've been losin' so much? Certainly isn't due to any major or numerous injuries like NY. It's because they have no defense to fall back on until they learn the new system. They have neither perimeter nor interior defense. NY has both.

The Triangle sets up defensive scheming based on the position of the guards at the top of the key on both sides, which allows for both guards to get back to help prevent fast breaks (thus, their 9th place ranking in opp fbps), and depending on the position of the passing post player, it allows for a big man to either trail or get back quickly to defend the post. It also helps cover defensive deficiencies due to the positioning of the players. Do you really think Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Luc Longley, and Tony Kukoc, to name a few, were defensive beasts who could lock down the elite players at their positions? No. Therefore, NY doesn't need José to be a defensive stopper. PG defense isn't as important as wing and interior defense. Otherwise, Derrick Rose would've been forced the play a different position a long time ago.

Refs aren't going to stop cheating NY no matter what. Cheaters gon' cheat. The 2nd biggest problem NY has (refs is the first) is Fisher's inability to counter the adjustments opposing teams are making to the Triangle during half-time. That's why NY consistently have nightmare 3rd quarters and come out of half-time losing games. Phil has to be the one fix it because Derek doesn't have the experience to fix it.

 

[Victim of Racism]

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Berman trying to frame Phil Jackson's tenure as a sham and a failure, 9 days into the season, is why everybody hates NY Media.

 

[I.V.]

murder got a good point, why would free agents like gasol or aldrich leave their 50 plus winning teams to come to ny for less money if we missed the playoffs two years in a row. we atleast gotta show that on the right track.

This has been proven wrong over and over again.

You don't need to be good for free agents to sign, you need to put together an enticing package.

Cleveland is a dumpster fire, and LeBron signed there, and Kevin Love forced a trade there.

If the knicks have space, they'll be a factor. If they end up with a young talented player from the lottery, all the better.

I'd prefer them to be good, but the last thing I want to see is some ninth-seed team blowing it on both ends. I've tried to explain over and over that this is not a great roster. People don't want to hear it. Maybe calderon will be the missing piece.

 

[Shogun]

I hope they throw him under the prison

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[Shogun]