Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[KnickstapeCity]

Gat damn some of the influx of new Knicks fans are

nikka quitting on the season after 5 games

We still deep, breh
Too deep

 

[mvp_status]

Gat damn some of the influx of new Knicks fans are

nikka quitting on the season after 5 games

good thing he wasn't around back on when the Knicks were 9-15 in the Linsanity yr

 

[tremonthustler1]

these @ZemaPromos posts got me

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

If I'm "deeply emotionally troubled" and you're typing all of this to me and keep on trying to go back and forth with me, then what does that make you?

Which is it, they can't or they don't get to the rack? Pick one.

James Harden is a jump-shooter with less than 18.8% of his attempts coming at the rim last year. He attempted 9 fts per game. Right now, at 12.8 fta's per game, half of his points are coming from the line. Durant is a jump-shooter with less than 24.5% of his attempts coming at the rim last year. He attempted 9.9 fts per game. Now make up another contradictory comparison. 'Melo had 21.3% of his attempts coming at the rim last year. He is a superstar. He was cold-cocked on a reverse layup last night; every star gets that call (except him). There was a play where 'Melo had perfect position, had Josh pinned down, and got no call. Headband gets knocked off, no call. 'Melo isn't just a jump-shooter. He is the best post player in the NBA.

Tim is very good finishing at the rim, and in the toughest situations (transition and in traffic) with over 21.8% attempts at the rim. No calls. Touré can't shoot, so he uses his athleticism to slash with over 34% of his attempts at the rim. No calls. Beno uses his penetration for drive-and-kicks and when he finishes (over 20.7% attempts at the rim), no calls. Bargs attempted over 20% of his shots at the rim. No calls. I'll give you Swish because he was hurt. Now make up another lie.

As far as your last statement, show me a post where I neglected to mention the poor play of certain players and only mentioned the refs, liar. People lie when they don't have arguments. You won't even acknowledge the cheating. You're a poser. You're posing as a NYK fan.

Some of these stats are completely fabricated. melo was at something like 18%. harden in the high 20s. What was that earlier about not cherrypicking specific plays are proof for an argument? I post Barg gifs but you can reference a play from last night? Cool.

Toure murry, beno udrih and andrea the god have no history anywhere of getting to the line at a high rate. Your entire argument is that theres a league--wide conspiracy against a team playing in one of the biggest markets in the country. Its absurd to say the least. I dont have to be a delusional fakkit to be a knick fan.

WPOY candidate.

 

[Wargames]

I am going to keep it 100 with Ya'll. The knicks got their pick this year so I refuse to get mad at these losses.



So not only am I giving them the benefit of the doubt when they lose because they have been telling us fans for months now that this was going to be a process to get the triangle working.

Even when we lose, its an investment in the knicks future. shyt we aren't even keeping most of this team next year either.

So Losses don't Faze me. Especially 5 games into the season

 

[I.V.]

I am going to keep it 100 with Ya'll. The knicks got their pick this year so I refuse to get mad at these losses.



So not only am I giving them the benefit of the doubt when they lose because they have been telling us fans for months now that this was going to be a process to get the triangle working.

Even when we lose, its an investment in the knicks future. shyt we aren't even keeping most of this team next year either.

So Losses don't Faze me. Especially 5 games into the season

 

[Victim of Racism]

Some of these stats are completely fabricated. melo was at something like 18%. harden in the high 20s. What was that earlier about not cherrypicking specific plays are proof for an argument? I post Barg gifs but you can reference a play from last night? Cool.

Toure murry, beno udrih and andrea the god have no history anywhere of getting to the line at a high rate. Your entire argument is that theres a league--wide conspiracy against a team playing in one of the biggest markets in the country. Its absurd to say the least. I dont have to be a delusional fakkit to be a knick fan.

WPOY candidate.

You're right about Harden (30.6% of his attempts at the rim). I was looking at FGM for his.

I was right about Durant (less than 24.5% of his attempts were at the rim, which is less than Harden and yet Durant still managed to attempt more free throws than Harden): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201142/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about Melo (21.3% of his attempts were at the rim; not "something like 18%" as you claim): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about Touré (over 34% of his attempts were at the rim, which is more than Harden, and yet, even in the games he got big minutes in, he never attempted more than 4 free throws): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203315/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about everyone else.

I referenced 'Melo's attempts at the rim, in addition to the plays from the other night, unlike you, who only had individual plays, and nothing to show for an entire season, so tell another lie.

I never said Touré Murry (who was in his rookie year), Beno, and Bargs have a "history anywhere of getting to the line at a high rate". You switchin' goal posts now. Your argument was that fouls calls should be predicated on the percentage of your fga's being at the rim. I told you that they all attacked the rim from nearly as much to more than Durant and still got no calls.

And let me tell you something else about your fallacious argument about fouls calls. Calls are not predicated on going to the rim, as I just proved. More proof of this is OKC and Miami (when Lj played for them) had no problem getting calls. More proof is that players get calls for getting hit while dribbling, shooting jumpers, not being able to land clean after a jumper, running around screens, going to a certain spot and getting accidentally tripped, and many other non-aggressive plays. To make it plain, calls are predicated on contact, not "aggression". Centers are not the only players contesting shots. Slashers are not the only people getting fouled. Jump-shooters get fouled all the time because teams play defense and a major component of the sport is getting up in the face of another player to keep them from scoring every game. Jump-shooters get fouled more than anyone because Centers usually don't even contest a shot until someone drives, yet the perimeter defender is contesting the person with the ball, the entire time they have it, not just when they drive. Guys on the perimeter are even contesting your dribble because they're looking for the steal. I love how every team is "aggressive" when they play NY, even Chicago (16th in fta) and the Celtics (bottom 4 in fta) who don't typically get to the line. Cop pleas for refs, brehs/brehettes .

Cleveland is one of smallest markets in the country. Are you (like Woodson) going to "sit here" and argue that there isn't favoritism toward a team Lj is on?

You're not delusional. You're just ignorant. Did you know Stern saved the NBA by marketing the league to exalt individual players ("stars") over teams? It started with Jordan. Do you know how much money has been put into brain-washing people into believing that Lj is the "best player in the world"? If you knew anything about the league, you'd know that favoring bigger markets will not keep the league afloat. If that were true, NY wouldn't get trolled so much and there wouldn't be excuses made for every team Lj is on when they fail. Including Cleveland, which has never won anything. Now make up another fantasy. Are you calling me a fa**it?

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

You're right about Harden (30.6% of his attempts at the rim). I was looking at FGM for his.

I was right about Durant (less than 24.5% of his attempts were at the rim, which is less than Harden and yet Durant still managed to attempt more free throws than Harden): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201142/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about Melo (21.3% of his attempts were at the rim; not "something like 18%" as you claim): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about Touré (over 34% of his attempts were at the rim, which is more than Harden, and yet, even in the games he got big minutes in, he never attempted more than 4 free throws): http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203315/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14

I was right about everyone else.

I referenced 'Melo's attempts at the rim, in addition to the plays from the other night, unlike you, who only had individual plays, and nothing to show for an entire season, so tell another lie.

I never said Touré Murry (who was in his rookie year), Beno, and Bargs have a "history anywhere of getting to the line at a high rate". You switchin' goal posts now. Your argument was that fouls calls should be predicated on the percentage of your fga's being at the rim. I told you that they all attacked the rim from nearly as much to more than Durant and still got no calls.

And let me tell you something else about your fallacious argument about fouls calls. Calls are not predicated on going to the rim, as I just proved. More proof of this is OKC and Miami (when Lj played for them) had no problem getting calls. More proof is that players get calls for getting hit while dribbling, shooting jumpers, not being able to land clean after a jumper, running around screens, going to a certain spot and getting accidentally tripped, and many other non-aggressive plays. To make it plain, calls are predicated on contact, not "aggression". Centers are not the only players contesting shots. Slashers are not the only people getting fouled. Jump-shooters get fouled all the time because teams play defense and a major component of the sport is getting up in the face of another player to keep them from scoring every game. Jump-shooters get fouled more than anyone because Centers usually don't even contest a shot until someone drives, yet the perimeter defender is contesting the person with the ball, the entire time they have it, not just when they drive. Guys on the perimeter are even contesting your dribble because they're looking for the steal. I love how every team is "aggressive" when they play NY, even Chicago (16th in fta) and the Celtics (bottom 4 in fta) who don't typically get to the line. Cop pleas for refs, brehs/brehettes

Cleveland is one of smallest markets in the country. Are you (like Woodson) going to "sit here" and argue that there isn't favoritism toward a team Lj is on?

You're not delusional. You're just ignorant. Did you know Stern saved the NBA by marketing the league to exalt individual players ("stars") over teams? It started with Jordan. Do you know how much money has been put into brain-washing people into believing that Lj is the "best player in the world"? If you knew anything about the league, you'd know that favoring bigger markets will not keep the league afloat. If that were true, NY wouldn't get trolled so much and there wouldn't be excuses made for every team Lj is on when they fail. Including Cleveland, which has never won anything. Now make up another fantasy. Are you calling me a fakkit?

Basketball reference has stats for 0-3 feet from the rim. Thats accounting for the discrepancy in percentages.

Foul calls arent strictly based on a percentage of shots taken at the rim, but there is certainly a correlation between the two. I never said it was the only factor. Anyone in this thread will tell you that lazy, inconsistent defense and settling for jumpshots is the reason there is such a gap between the free throws we give up and the free throws we take. You talk about excuses, yet, this entire bullshyt theory is one big excuse for poor play and lack of aggressiveness. Miami was below average at getting to the line last year, but youre obsessed with calls lebron and whatever team he is on get. He himself got to the line a grand total of .7 more times per game than melo. Overwhelming evidence you have here.

Why in gods name are Toure murry, beno udrih and bargnani even in this god damn discussion in the first place?What kind of sorry defender has to foul these bums to stay in front of them?

 

[ikbm]

people still arguing with zemapromos still?
you people havent learned after 2 years?

 

[A.V.]

Great walls of text everbody stfu and #Knickstape

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

people still arguing with zemapromos still?
you people havent learned after 2 years?

Am I being trolled?Im not in here that often.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'll be at the game tonight....they better fukk around and win

 

[Victim of Racism]

Basketball reference has stats for 0-3 feet from the rim. Thats accounting for the discrepancy in percentages.

Foul calls arent strictly based on a percentage of shots taken at the rim, but there is certainly a correlation between the two. I never said it was the only factor. Anyone in this thread will tell you that lazy, inconsistent defense and settling for jumpshots is the reason there is such a gap between the free throws we give up and the free throws we take. You talk about excuses, yet, this entire bullshyt theory is one big excuse for poor play and lack of aggressiveness. Miami was below average at getting to the line last year, but youre obsessed with calls lebron and whatever team he is on get. He himself got to the line a grand total of .7 more times per game than melo. Overwhelming evidence you have here.

Why in gods name are Toure murry, beno udrih and bargnani even in this god damn discussion in the first place?What kind of sorry defender has to foul these bums to stay in front of them?

I haven't been respectful to you in our exchanges and I'm sorry for that. You're gif is funny, but let's stop trading insults; no one wants to see that.

Over 47.9% of Blake Griffin's attempts were at the rim (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201933/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14) and he only got 8.4 fta's to the Euro-flopper's 9.1 and Durant's 9.9 (on less than 24.5% shot attempts at the rim). Durant is primarily a jump-shooter and is absolutely coddled by the refs ad naseum. If what you say is true, Larkin should be getting to the line more. 25% of his attempts are at the rim. That's also more than Durant and he's lightening quick. No calls. So, no, there's no correlation. That's just what the NBA tells you, so that they can continue to manipulate the outcome of games without criticism. They know most people won't look it up. The NBA is a business, so it's first and foremost about money. If most businesses who don't stand to lose nearly as much as the NBA is dishonest in their business practices, why wouldn't the NBA be? Why do you think it's a fine if you call them out? So they can cheat.

The Blazers, Rockets, Timberwolves, and Pistons all are jump-shooting teams and/or play very lazy and inconsistent defense and they have no problem getting to the line and aren't being called for many fouls. As I said before, OKC and Miami (when Lj played for them) had no problem getting calls and they are jump-shooting teams with very lazy and inconsistent defense (especially OKC). at 17th is "well below average" in fta's when 15th is average. 28th (NY's rank in fta's) is "well below average". Miami also ranked 23rd in fouls called against them as a team. NY was 7th. Lj averages 8.5 fta's for his career. 'Melo averages 7.7 and they were drafted together. 'Melo's fta's plummeted when he came to NY. As I said, jump-shooters get fouled more than anyone because Centers usually don't even contest a shot until someone drives, yet the perimeter defender is contesting the person with the ball, the entire time they have it, not just when they drive because teams play defense and a major component of the sport is getting up in the face of another player to keep them from scoring every game. Guys on the perimeter are even contesting your dribble because they're looking for the steal. Centers ain't even foulin' like that anyway. It's mostly perimeter defenders who are poor defensively because they have no lateral movement, so they defend with their hands and not their feet. Chicago was 16th in fta and 26th in fouls called against them last season. Weren't they first or 2nd in defense? So, no, it's not the defense causing such a gap between the free throws NY gives up and the free throws NY takes. The Cavs have no defenders, yet do you think teams gon' be shootin' ft's every time down on them? Lj is a putrid defender and Love's philosophy of standing under the rim is "I'm just here for the rebound, somebody else gon' have to protect the rim". Kyrie? They don't even have the system for defense like the Triangle. Why do you think they've been losin' so much? Certainly isn't due to any major or numerous injuries like NY. It's because they have no defense to fall back on until they learn the new system. They have neither perimeter nor interior defense. NY has both. So, no, it's not the defense. The Triangle sets up defensive scheming based on the position of the guards at the top of the key on both sides, which allows for both guards to get back to help prevent fast breaks, and depending on the position of the passing post player, it allows for a big man to either trail or get back quickly to defend the post. It also helps cover defensive deficiencies due to the positioning of the players. Do you really think Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Luc Longley, and Tony Kukoc, to name a few, were defensive beasts who could lock down the elite players at their positions? NY's defense has been solid. Teams have either shot a low percentage and/or scored a low amount of points while shooting (at best) a decent percentage for the most part, yet they still can't get calls. So, no, it's not the defense. NY even plays a big lineup who can't shoot, yet they still can't get calls.

A lot of Knicks fans will tell you that 'Melo and NY gets cheated by refs all the time. If the Cavs were playing Detroit, that last play would have been Cavs ball, but it never would have been come to that because although Lj is playing just as badly as 'Melo, Detroit would not have shot ft's every time down like they did against NY; 0-4 or not.

As for the bolded, show me a post where I neglected to mention the poor play of certain players and only mentioned the refs. People lie when they don't have arguments.

As for your last sentence, you're switching goal posts again. Your argument was that fouls calls should be predicated on the percentage of your fga's being at the rim (which I proved is ridiculous). I told you that they all attacked the rim from nearly as much to more than Durant and still got no calls. I'll indulge this fallacy anyway, tho. Wall is putrid on offense, but he's fast and can get to the rim. Shump was terrible at finishing last season because of his knee; doesn't mean centers are gonna just stand there let him slash. Beno is the king of P.U.J.I.T. Act like Bargs didn't average 17.2, 21.4, and 19.5 on 55.2%, 53.3%, and 53.8% TS the last time he was fully healthy. Act like his production off the bench was nearly identical to Taj Gibson's last season.

 

[Victim of Racism]

 

[KnickstapeCity]

@ZemaPromos chill baby girl