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Philosophers? Here for debate or discussion
- Thread starter NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong
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i just remembered that sohh thread on scientists finding that equation and basically saying we might be living in a supercomputer in the future like fukking vanilla sky omg i just wanna find out how to shape my reality one day imma find out i swear
Cute Fattie
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The way technology is advancing...whew.
Hulk Hogan
THE HULKSTER BROTHER
fair enough hulkster, ill wait for a theory of your own rather than mere complaints of mine...
BROTHER YOU HAVEN'T PUT FORTH A THEORY YET, BROTHER! YOU'VE STATED, WITHOUT ANY SUPPORT, THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPERTIES TO THE UNIVERSE AND NOTHINGNESS, DUUUDE! BUT YOU BASED THESE PREMISES ON NOTHING, BROTHER! THAT'S NOT A COMPLAINT, MAAAN! THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION, MEAN GENE!
AND NOW THAT THE HULKSTER THINKS ABOUT IT WHILE FLEXING THE BIGGEST ARMS IN THE WORLD, I DID PUT FORTH MY VIEW ON THE MIND, BROTHER! IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE BRAIN AND THIS CONCLUSION IS WELL-SUPPORTED BY THE CONSENSUS OF NEUROSCIENCE AND THE EVIDENCE GATHERED THEREBY, BROTHER! CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN, MY MAN!
so the mind is a function of the brain? i think that neuroscience shows the parts of the brain where some mind based activity takes place, not necessarily where the mind is itself.
appreciate the back and forth mr bolea
Kilgore Trout
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Used to be really into it, thats where I got my user name haha.
because their brain is what allows them to access the universal mind and when the synapses in the brain are no longer firing, then the brain is giving off less electrical power, limiting what they once were
another spinoza fan????? i thought i was the only one 
good post.
but you think the fact we dont fully understand the origins or the complex nature of our urges and therefore our choices, COMPLETELY discounts the idea of free will to the point where it's illusion? im emphasizing completely because it seems we still control much in our lives through the choices we make.
i do agree though, the infinite complexity of cause and effect as its happening on a universal scale can make this conversation overwhelming. but i also dont think we can discount personal choice and the amount of control we have over the direction of our lives.
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
See, posts like these are why I don't like talking about free will just off the top.
For me, when dealing in theory or philosophy, you first have to determine some type of base or reference point regarding what you're philosophizing about. Otherwise, you end up dealing with sliding definitions, or debating at cross purposes, and that's never good for understanding, synthesis, etc.
Not to say that you two are doing this, but it just provided a good example of talking about such a complex topic in a well-reasoned manner, but also in a total vacuum, which I dislike.
What do you mean when you say "free will"? Are we talking within a given structure? Are we actually talking about free will in that vacuum? Because without that definition or reference point, I can't answer the question, largely because any given definition of "free will" must adhere to world in which we exist. And there are cultural, societal, ideological structures which always already limit us in that world.
So basically, I need a definition before I answer the question, because my answer vitally depends on it.
i completely understand what youre saying.
there are many aspects to free wil--one example of which is me choosing to eat cereal for breakfast this morning, or to take a shower in the morning instead of at night, or to work on my business plan instead of watching a movie. we literally make a thousand of these decisions everyday, although granted these independent decisions co-exist in a world of infinite probability when it comes to the causes and effects from other peoples choices.
and of course the earth, her seasons, and her cycles also play a role in which events take place.
but there is also another more primal aspect of free will. the aspect that asks the question of "why." so why did i eat that cereal? because it's a habit? because i was hungry?
well why was i hungry? because i think im hungry? because my body is craving energy? because my body is craving nutrients?
well why does my body crave nutrients? as a part of a survival mechanism to make sure i feed my physical vessel energy? because if i dont have that mechanism in place it would be like driving a car with no gas gauge and i might deplete my physical vessel of life because i forgot to feed it nutrients?
and these layers can continue to go deeper and deeper.
then there are social layers we could peel back, that deal with social conditionings and our programming around food.
so im saying all that to say, it's an interesting discussion on many levels and we can discuss any one of them or all of them, as they are all ultimately related
well said.
just to take it there...for those who believe the universe was intelligently designed...do you rule out free will? or do you see it as limited?
just to take it there...for those who believe the universe was intelligently designed...do you rule out free will? or do you see it as limited?