PG County Maryland gets dethroned as nations wealthiest Black county.

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Before I ask you to clear up what's wrong do you know black families that are sending their kids to Bryn Mawr, St. Paul's, and Roland Park Country Day?

If not, we're not even on the same page.

Are the private schools that much better near B'more than say those in DC or other local counties (doubtful)? Or is it a strong Black presence at those schools? I know in Chicago it used to be that Chicago Lab school everyone wanted to go so maybe this is the same thing.

I would never move to an expensive area to access a private school. I pay now for a better public school district but if we were going to fork over $15k+ per year for a non-Catholic private school I would be moving back to the mixed working/middle class neighborhood we lived in before and save a good deal of money in mortgage payments.

We have some friends that move to the poshest areas and pay for the best private schools. I don't get it. Unless they are going to get a full scholarship and save on college tuition there is no real ROI to that proposition. Not like all their kids end up at Harvard either. Though more end up Ivy League than the average public school Black person, in fact a lot go to HBCUs and state schools. That's fine and I went to a state school and my brother went HBCU but thank God our parents didn't blow $250k for our outcome.
 

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Man I’m born , raised, and live in dc and idc about how many rich black people in Maryland, fukk that entire state period. Md nikkas cool but I hate that fukking country ass deer infested waiting 2 hours for the next bus to arrive ass state. Don’t even get me started on NOVA. nikkas really wanna live in a boring ass place just because it’s suppose to be filled with “rich black people”
Boring is safe and safe is good to raise a family …the cultural / ethnic / socioeconomic background is a bonus …
 

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Real talk, if they implemented a statewide high speed rail system Black people would take over the whole goddamn state :russ:

Maryland would be lit as fukk. Need to do some land speculating and gentrify the redneck Eastern Shore and Western MD before they gentrify Baltimore and inner beltway PG :skip:
 

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Real talk, if they implemented a statewide high speed rail system Black people would take over the whole goddamn state :russ:

Maryland would be lit as fukk. Need to do some land speculating and gentrify the redneck Eastern Shore and Western MD before they gentrify Baltimore and inner beltway PG :skip:

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There are a surprising number of brehs (relatively speaking) in Salisbury and some middle class ones in Fruitland so you got somewhere to start in Wicomico County, but unfortunately not much shore there except in neighboring counties.

Anything west of Frederick County though :whoa:
 

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There are a surprising number of brehs (relatively speaking) in Salisbury and some middle class ones in Fruitland so you got somewhere to start in Wicomico County, but unfortunately not much shore there except in neighboring counties.

Anything west of Frederick County though :whoa:

Yeah I heard there’s Black folks in Eastern Shore. Obviously UMES is slight evidence of that.

But real talk, only thing stopping nikkaz from building mega homes in the sticks is commute to and from BMore/DC respectively depending on where they work. shyt, I had a teacher that commuted from West Virginia. It would actually be a power move if they did that, could rapidly develop the state on all sides and make it tiny rival to the bigger in demand states. Plus Maryland is small, so a Euro-style high speed rail would have way more impact by cutting two hour commutes East or West into 30-40 mins as opposed to having to cover more ground in a Texas or Cali size state.

Annapolis content with keeping shyt Midyland status lol they know it would get even Blacker if shyt got lit in the state :mjgrin:
 

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Are the private schools that much better near B'more than say those in DC or other local counties (doubtful)? Or is it a strong Black presence at those schools? I know in Chicago it used to be that Chicago Lab school everyone wanted to go so maybe this is the same thing.

I don't think the private schools are suppose to be so much better than the ones in DC like St. Albans or Georgetown Country Day or Madeira in Nova. It's just the best private schools in the state of Maryland are in and around Baltimore.

I think the idea of the "DMV" being this one contiguous uniform area is relatively new. It seems like it became a thing in the 80's and 90's.

Native Marylanders seem to view Maryland as being Maryland, DC as DC, and Virginia as being Virginia and all three having different cultures.

So the native Marylanders are going to be more tied into Maryland institutions and more specifically Baltimore because Baltimore is where their money comes from, not DC. Think of the families like the Murray's, founders of the Baltimore Afro-American. They have a long history there and a long history of attending those schools.

I think PG County saw it's boom primarily from DC transplants not native Marylanders. Prior to the 80's, PG was country farmland. The old black Maryland money wasn't living out there. PG County was assessible being next door to the black east side of DC. So it was a natural place for DC natives to relocate to if they got some money and wanted extra space. Also for black Virginians who got money. They seem to move into Maryland, too. So you got all these groups, Virginia transplants, DC transplants, transplants to the DMV area from around the country and the native Marylanders.

The native Marylanders are still tied to Baltimore even if they now work in DC, so it makes sense that they settle in areas where it's easy to get in between Baltimore and DC. Like I said, if they are not in Moco - Bethesda, Silver Springs, Rockville, then many of them are in Howard, Anne Arundel, and Baltimore Counties.

PG County is out of the way for them. Plus there is heavy crime, lacks a lot of infrastructure, and the public school system is supposedly trash. So if you have the money, it seems like you have no choice but to send your kids to private school.

I would never move to an expensive area to access a private school. I pay now for a better public school district but if we were going to fork over $15k+ per year for a non-Catholic private school I would be moving back to the mixed working/middle class neighborhood we lived in before and save a good deal of money in mortgage payments.

We have some friends that move to the poshest areas and pay for the best private schools. I don't get it. Unless they are going to get a full scholarship and save on college tuition there is no real ROI to that proposition. Not like all their kids end up at Harvard either. Though more end up Ivy League than the average public school Black person, in fact a lot go to HBCUs and state schools. That's fine and I went to a state school and my brother went HBCU but thank God our parents didn't blow $250k for our outcome.

I think you have to look at it as that when you're in the position to set your kids up to advance, you are also simultaneously setting up certain social safety nets that will catch them from falling out of their position. A few of those safety nets form around socialization and networks.

Moving to a high earning area sets up your kids to be socialized around other high earning and ambitious families. They develop a high powered network from that. Layer on top of that the network they get from attending a good private school. Layer on top of that the network they get from attending a good college. Layer on top of that the network they get access to joining a fraternity, so on and so forth. Your network becomes full proof and you develop the skills to socially navigate those environments.

For some, it doesn't make sense to get your kid into a top private school but still live in the hood. It's more than the education. It creates social challenges. Which is why the study came out that the sons of wealthy black families end up falling out of their class because they get exposed to or caught up in street life, while the daughters from those same families fair much better. For some folks, they are trying to cut access to negative elements that can influence their children as much as possible.

Also, what is the deal with Catholic private schools? They're not really popular here and I went to a top private Catholic high school. They're just not seen as being the most desirable that everyone is clamoring to get into. It's the independent schools that are the most desirable, like you mentioned, Lab and a few others like Latin and Parker.
 
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Also, what is the deal with Catholic private schools? They're not really popular here and I went to a top private Catholic high school. They're just not seen as being the most desirable that everyone is clamoring to get into. It's the independent schools that are the most desirable, like you mentioned, Lab and a few others like Latin and Parker.

Honestly, unless the family is Catholic, some people view Catholic school as not as desirable for those with large means because they are not always as prestigious and are typically less expensive. I was raised Catholic and most of the people in my parish (90+% Black) who did private school went to Catholic school. Most of our non-Catholic friends went to independent schools. Everyone ended up fine.

They are good schools but not viewed as the top tier, especially for non-ethnic White (read WASP) types or people who don't want a religious education for their kid. Here in the east, there are tiers of Catholic schools. I used to live in Rochester and McQuaid Jesuit was the Catholic school for the elite while other Catholic schools were middle/working class focused. In ATL the big ones growing up were Marist and St. Pius X.

Also, a bunch of elementary/middle schools have closed down due to decreased attendance or financial issues in the diocese, so if people don't start the Catholic school route when they are young they are less likely to end up there in high school, etc.

I think you have to look at it as that when you're in the position to set your kids up to advance, you are also simultaneously setting up certain social safety nets that will catch them from falling out of their position. A few of those safety nets form around socialization and networks.

Moving to a high earning area sets up your kids to be socialized around other high earning and ambitious families. They develop a high powered network from that. Layer on top of that the network they get from attending a good private school. Layer on top of that the network they get from attending a good college. Layer on top of that the network they get access to joining a fraternity, so on and so forth. Your network becomes full proof and you develop the skills to socially navigate those environments.

I agree with you but from my experience growing up, the school you went to and the network your parents socialized with had a bigger effect than just living in a given neighborhood. A lot of the social networking in the Black community in ATL was through networks of parents and their professions/fraternities. I lived in an 80%+ Black middle class burb which was good by the standards of almost any neighborhood but not rich. My parents knew a lot of upper middle class and wealthy Black people across ATL though through professional contacts, fraternity, J&J (we weren't members but had the hookup to a lot of events since our parents were cool with each other), church, and some others.

A lot of times the Black people in rich White areas (remember this is the South in the 80s/90s) spent more time socializing with Blacks from other areas bc their neighbors didn't fukk with them like that. Their posh neighborhood did almost zero for their kids' social capital and also sometimes did the opposite--increase their social anxiety and alienation ("why didn't Becky invite me to her birthday this year?") In the end, they could fall back on our family networks for help but most will admit their neighbors growing up in a neighborhood where there were expensive houses but few Blacks aren't going to be there for them like that.

The only reason I would move to an upper class neighborhood and also go private school is if it is a primarily Black upper class neighborhood where the social network would embrace and benefit us. I love my non-Black neighbors now but just being in the neighborhood isn't going to give my kids any social safety net I see right now. Now by living in a cheaper neighborhood I am not saying I want to be "real" and live in a bad hood but a cheaper, quieter middle class area with lower taxes and a sizable Black population would be fine. I honestly think living in a slightly lower income neighborhood with a sizable and supportive Black community is better for Black kids than the opposite. At our recent J&J meetup some of the dads were joking about how in their neighborhoods there was "one Black and one mixed family" and like 2% or less TOTAL minority at the school. I couldn't do it man.

School did provide some of that social capital so I agree school is influential. Despite similar families and backgrounds, the independent private school kids did know more affluent people and got influenced by them, were more worldly, generally go to better colleges, and more likely dated/married IR. Higher education and networks are important, I agree with you though I am not sure the Black fraternities are as important unless you are looking at politics.

MD has many affluent areas with 20-30%+ Black folks around so I could understand wanting to live in those areas but the cost of private school these days along with housing costs in MD means you basically paying for college 3X per kid if you got that route.
 

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Aint that much wealth out here, just a lot of Black folks with good jobs. Mainly GS jobs, from the 80s and 90s. Bought homes in the 90s cheap, now those house have quadrupled in value so they're seating nice.


But that word wealth isn't it.

This is PG county in a nutshell. Outsiders hear ‘people with good jobs and good houses’ and automatically think black wealth :blessed:

Negative. There’s a lot between struggling and ‘wealth’.

I think there was a big controversy some years back because PG County residents were lobbying to get a Nieman Marcus and maybe a few other luxury stores to set up shop in the area. Nieman Marcus must've did some due diligence and refused.

The residents accused the store of racism.

But then it started to come out that the due diligence that Nieman Marcus conducted concluded that the wealth in the county was "transient" or something to the extent of being heavily dependent on government jobs and housing stability which they didn't think was stable enough to produce long term profitablity for them compared to other counties.

So what you guys say sounds to be true.
 

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Aint that much wealth out here, just a lot of Black folks with good jobs. Mainly GS jobs, from the 80s and 90s. Bought homes in the 90s cheap, now those house have quadrupled in value so they're seating nice.


But that word wealth isn't it.

This is PG county in a nutshell. Outsiders hear ‘people with good jobs and good houses’ and automatically think black wealth :blessed:

Negative. There’s a lot between struggling and ‘wealth’.

I think there was a big controversy some years back because PG County residents were lobbying to get a Nieman Marcus and maybe a few other luxury stores to set up shop in the area. Nieman Marcus must've did some due diligence and refused.

The residents accused the store of racism.

But then it started to come out that the due diligence that Nieman Marcus conducted concluded that the wealth in the county was "transient" or something to the extent of being heavily dependent on government jobs and housing stability which they didn't think was stable enough to produce long term profitablity for them compared to other counties.

So what you guys say sounds to be true.

These all probably ring true but I think that part of the allure of PG County is there are few majority Black high income areas in the country. PG by far is the star in this regard. I mentioned this in another thread but I did some Census analytics some time ago on where the high income majority Black areas are in the USA.

What is crazy is how concentrated it gets once you look at majority Black Census tracts with median household income over $100k. See the chart below (forgive the crappy label positions). For counties with Black people living in majority Black census tracts with>$100k income over HALF of the people in the WHOLE COUNTRY are in PG County. Yeah ATL (Gwinnett) and Chicago (Cook) among others feature but as far as having Black areas with upper incomes Maryland cannot be beat with the NY metro (Queens, Nassau, Suffolk, Kings, Essex) coming in second. If you combine the total DMV and NYC counties you got 88% of the people that are Black in high income majority Black areas. It's kinda shocking but most high income Black people are a minority where they live. That's what gives PG mystique, especially for those with high education and income that want a Black neighborhood of similar demographics.

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These all probably ring true but I think that part of the allure of PG County is there are few majority Black high income areas in the country. PG by far is the star in this regard. I mentioned this in another thread but I did some Census analytics some time ago on where the high income majority Black areas are in the USA.

What is crazy is how concentrated it gets once you look at majority Black Census tracts with median household income over $100k. See the chart below (forgive the crappy label positions). For counties with Black people living in majority Black census tracts with>$100k income over HALF of the people in the WHOLE COUNTRY are in PG County. Yeah ATL (Gwinnett) and Chicago (Cook) among others feature but as far as having Black areas with upper incomes Maryland cannot be beat with the NY metro (Queens, Nassau, Suffolk, Kings, Essex) coming in second. If you combine the total DMV and NYC counties you got 88% of the people that are Black in high income majority Black areas. It's kinda shocking but most high income Black people are a minority where they live. That's what gives PG mystique, especially for those with high education and income that want a Black neighborhood of similar demographics.

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FTFY

them folks can’t shun the county one minute.. calling it a county “full of whites” & “backwoods” then use it to prop up the Metro Atlanta Area as a hub for Black families to live in wealth the next minute

It don’t work like that :pachaha:
 
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