Peter King: GMs hesitant on mobile QBs

[NYC Rebel]

Cam played in Gus Malzahn's offense in college while Luck played for Jim Harbaugh

They were asked to do two different things, one resembling what they will do in the pros, one not. Cam started behind Luck. And everyone who plays in offenses like that will also start behind, so yes it does represent a genre. Alex Smith started behind, Johnny Manziel started behind, Tim Tebow started behind. So it's not a race genre, it's a style genre. Even Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, and Colt Brennan started behind as well, just in a different way.

At least my theory gives the players an excuse. In your opinion, whose fault is it that Cam and RGIII have underachieved in comparison to their physical attributes? The media's?

RGIII wasn't protected against himself and was thrown out there too soon and The core around Cam is the biggest issue.

You're the one putting fault on those two...I don't have to agree with that rubbish you're viewing as a "certainty" tied to cutsie smilies and answering your own questions based on your own assertions.

 

[WaddupDoe!]

Maroitta

 

[Millions]

Why do these talkin heads even use the code words anymore these nikkas dead just shytted on black QBs with no fukks given.

fukk Peter King

Kaep has done things on this level , so has RGIII and Cam. These mfs never go in on Stafford or Bradford though.

 

[FTBS]

Cam played in Gus Malzahn's offense in college while Luck played for Jim Harbaugh

They were asked to do two different things, one resembling what they will do in the pros, one not. Cam started behind Luck. And everyone who plays in offenses like that will also start behind, so yes it does represent a genre. Alex Smith started behind, Johnny Manziel started behind, Tim Tebow started behind. So it's not a race genre, it's a style genre. Even Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, and Colt Brennan started behind as well, just in a different way.

At least my theory gives the players an excuse. In your opinion, whose fault is it that Cam and RGIII have underachieved in comparison to their physical attributes? The media's?

Actually Cam's rookie year was better than Luck's. Comparable yds on fewer attempts, greater completion%, comparable TD/INT, more rushing yds. RGIII came out the gates smoking and was better than Luck that first year too. If anything mobile QBs have payed more immediate dividends. shyt Luck is mobile.

 

[Trip]

If the QB is good enough he'll play. How is this thread 17 pages?

 

[Millions]

Actually Cam's rookie year was better than Luck's. Comparable yds on fewer attempts, greater completion%, comparable TD/INT, more rushing yds. RGIII came out the gates smoking and was better than Luck that first year too. If anything mobile QBs have payed more immediate dividends. shyt Luck is mobile.

Exactly Jimmy Clausen cane from a pro style O and was the most pro ready according to ESPN talking heads. if anything being mobile lets the pro game come to you a lot easier. As weve seen with the guys youve named.

In Killa Cam's first 3 seasons he second in TDs behind Dan Marino but he aint aint done shyt on this level

Like ive said before these the same mfs who were quite when he showed he could play immidiatly on this level after talking all that shyt about Cam pre draft bout how he was raw, off the field issues, aint come from a pro style offense. So when he struggles they be on some I told you shyt.

 

[JLova]

Exactly Jimmy Clausen cane from a pro style O and was the most pro ready according to ESPN talking heads. if anything being mobile lets the pro game come to you a lot easier. As weve seen with the guys youve named.

In Killa Cam's first 3 seasons he second in TDs behind Dan Marino but he aint aint done shyt on this level

Like ive said before these the same mfs who were quite when he showed he could play immidiatly on this level after talking all that shyt about Cam pre draft bout how he was raw, off the field issues, aint come from a pro style offense. So when he struggles they be on some I told you shyt.

Man, people look past sh1t like that like it doesn't mean anything. Luck came from a pro style offense. So did Russ and damn near every other young QB these folk are salivating about. Cam, Kaep, etc did not. There is a bigger learning curve. They're trying to learn pro style O in the NFL while the other QBs learned it in College...hell...some highschool.

The fact that all 3 have had at least one beastly season is a testament to how talented they are.

 

[Trip]

Man, people look past sh1t like that like it doesn't mean anything. Luck came from a pro style offense. So did Russ and damn near every other young QB these folk are salivating about. Cam, Kaep, etc did not. There is a bigger learning curve. They're trying to learn pro style O in the NFL while the other QBs learned it in College...hell...some highschool.

The fact that all 3 have had at least one beastly season is a testament to how talented they are.

But if they're not picking up the nuances of the pro offense...or are not putting in the necessary time(RG3) they're going to get criticized. There's nothing you can do if the guy doesn't want to put in the work.

 

[JLova]

But if they're not picking up the nuances of the pro offense...or are not putting in the necessary time(RG3) they're going to get criticized. There's nothing you can do if the guy doesn't want to put in the work.

I can tell you it's not just the scrambling QBs who aren't getting the nuances of the offense or putting in the necessary work.

 

[Trip]

I can tell you it's not just the scrambling QBs who aren't getting the nuances of the offense or putting in the necessary work.

I agree. But the scrambling QB's who are super athletic can make up for it...now it seems like defenses and coaches have caught up. Wilson's still a successful runner because defenses respect him as a passer. And sometimes you can easily tell its just a talent issue. Brian Hoyer for example just isnt talented. Alex Smith isnt that talented.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Play the right way

 

[JLova]

I agree. But the scrambling QB's who are super athletic can make up for it...now it seems like defenses and coaches have caught up. Wilson's still a successful runner because defenses respect him as a passer. And sometimes you can easily tell its just a talent issue. Brian Hoyer for example just isnt talented. Alex Smith isnt that talented.

Are defenses smarter or are the Offenses not built around the scrambling QBs talents? Is the coaching staff really putting the scrambling QB in the best situation? It's sort of like how coaches try to turn mobile QBs into pocket passers. 9ers told Kaep not to run. Now you can tell he wants to run but holds himself back cuz he's been told not to.

Alex Smith is extremely mobile and fast. Honestly, if he didn't have that he would be holding a clipboard.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

Are you slow?

You apparently are. But I'll let you cook with your micro thoughts

 

[Trip]

Are defenses smarter or are the Offenses not built around the scrambling QBs talents? Is the coaching staff really putting the scrambling QB in the best situation? It's sort of like how coaches try to turn mobile QBs into pocket passers. 9ers told Kaep not to run. Now you can tell he wants to run but holds himself back cuz he's been told not to.

Alex Smith is extremely mobile and fast. Honestly, if he didn't have that he would be holding a clipboard.

At the end of the day the QB has to put in the work. Rodgers had to re-learn how to play the position when he came into the league...he's not the best by accident.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

It's not true though.
Here is the data.

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport..._like_colin_kaepernick_more_injury_prone.html

In that article

It turns out that the only gameplay variable that explains injuries with any statistical significance is sacks. On average, a 1 percent increase in sack share—the percentage of plays called for the QB that end in a sack—is associated with a 2.6 percent rise in starts missed due to injury (0.7 percent standard error). This link holds when we use the career-wise dataset and when we use sacks per start instead of sack share.

At least one puzzle remains, though. Since sacks are the only significant predictor of injury other than prior medical history, it is tempting to tell a story in which mobile quarterbacks evade sacks more successfully, thus compensating for the injury risk inherent in rushing upfield. Yet the dataset reveals that mobile quarterbacks are sacked slightly more often than are conventional QBs. We can show that mobility doesn’t have a negative effect on health, but we can’t explain exactly how running quarterbacks are able to avoid additional risk.


If his data says QBs who are sacked more often are more likely to be injured and miss time, and mobile QBs are sacked more than conventional QBs, doesn't that evidence conclude that mobile QBs are more injury prone?